You don't need a road when there's no car and the limited list of items you need is made in your town now because specialization has gone the way of the dinosaur and you now live in a primitive agrarian society. See? Everything worked out great
Liam Butler
who /BrapCap/ here?
Aiden Ortiz
If you want a quick, thorough rundown of right-libertarianism youtube.com/watch?v=6InUaGbtw8k Hoppe basically nails it in 40 min
Hunter Williams
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Charles Bailey
>Hoppe basically nails it >Implying you didn't adopt your entire belief system from him
AnCaps are fucking cringeworthy.
Alexander Peterson
Yeah it's pretty hard to wrap your head around the idea that public and private borders are different things
I was ancap before I saw it, Mr. Psychiatrist
Kevin Torres
the roads will be privatized and more efficient because the company that owns the road needs to make his road efficient in order to stay in business with competition. You already have to pay for roads with taxes so paying to drive isnt anything new. Roads will also be cheap to drive on thanks to competition driving the prices down.
Wyatt Thompson
>This flag >Libertarian thread
Something is wrong ... every libertarian thread appears a aussie NeetSoc Edgyboi.
Nathan Brooks
Is ancap libertarian? Or is it its own thing? If you're ancap, do you identify as liberatarian?
Luis Green
It is libertarianism taken to the lattest logical conclusions.
If anything minarchism (aka small gov) is just watered down libertarianism.
Julian Walker
Look a serious reply.
You got me interested. How exactly you would pay for the roads. Obvioulsy there would be lots of companies. Say that you have to travel from one coast to another in USA. You're already paying (maybe annualy) to your local road company, what about the others from afar? You would rent it for the month you'll be traveling? I'm assuming that it would be dirt cheap because the entire US urban system kinds of force you to have a car if you want to move, so there wouldn't be a shortage of costumers for the company.
Julian Hughes
so the only way we can sell rationalism to people is to dress it up in faggotry and faggy flags and cuntistry?
goddamn fucking faggots
instead of deciding if they want to be free, people are choosing which color flag goes better with their converse and cell phone case
Kevin Gray
Libertarianism means small government. Generally this means that the government is limited to justice, immigration and defence. Ancarcho-capitalism means no government, with the functions of government being entirely replaced by private firms. This is a much more narrow ideology because it is defined by the Non-Aggression Principle. There is a huge amount of agreement between libertarians and ancaps because they both want to go in the same direction. Shrink the government, decentralise power.
Anthony Howard
It's just a flag lol
Jason Williams
There could be some sort of "subscription" or "insurance" company that you pay a fixed fee every month for the use of roads in general and that company acts as a middleman between the different road owning companies and you so you only have to pay to one guy but still use lots of roads belonging to different owners.
Nowadays most toll roads allow you to pass without even stopping, you just need a sticker in the windshield that identifies you so you can get billed on it. Different road owners would find it useful and would generally agree to use that same system since the ones not using it would inconvenience their customers by making them stop at their toll.
Carter Sanders
Private roads would be more efficient than ever with the internet, instant communication and electronics. People where I live have devices in their cars that communicate with machines on toll roads. There's no way to know how firms would choose to operate, but there would almost definitely be large syndicates that join companies to a common payment system. I'd expect private roads to be cheaper than public ones.
Ian Kelly
Ancap is a joke kys
Ian Barnes
Tbh Privatisation of Britain's rail infrastructure has turned it to shit
Jeremiah Watson
I was ancap before reading a libertarian paper
you're a cringy statist enjoy your pound devaluation, I bet you're so financially irresponsible and ignorant you were not even protected from it
retard, get what you deserve pleb
Dominic Bell
Because privatization without opening to competition is the same as public service with the minor difference of it having external management.
Andrew Evans
Shit, completely forgot about those things on the roads that identify you with an eletronic device or whatever. Cool idea, desu
Christopher Thompson
it's a pain in the ass to live with everyone calling "privatization" to that kind of events
It's always the same bullshit, private management under non-free market competition and they call it private
People are retarded
I'm not even going to feel any pity when all these tards enjoy the next recession
They're idiots and deserve all the fuck ups their arrogant ignorance and detachment from reality creates
Liam Collins
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Isaiah Lewis
As much as I hate to say it, under the current context privatisation often means that the industry or infrastructure that is now not owned by the state just changes hands to some crony of the politicians. It is not supposed to work in a free competition environment but it should. Bullshit.
Cameron Sullivan
bumping because of interest
Aiden Richardson
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Brody Brooks
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Grayson Peterson
Both socialism and libertarianism lead to destruction of the past. This >muh hoppe cringe is just a half-assed try at being remotly "right-wing".
Elijah Sanders
Tradition has nothing to do with government. Cultural preservation happens in culture. If you want to conserve the great things in our history then you speak, write and work. Bureaucrats aren't helping you.
Isaac Stewart
I'm libertarian and not ancap because where's the liberty if you don't have protection from infringement on your liberty because of someone else's liberty? I.E.: murder.
Bentley Bennett
Individualism in inherintly anti-traditionalist.
Elijah Morgan
Strange, someone created Communist thread today and was from Netherlands
Andrew Carter
I think me posting a codreanu quote implicates im not a commie. The fact that I denounce socialism also does that. Cant blame a hue for being stupid I geuss
Evan Sanchez
And why is libertarianism inherently individualist? I believe in family, charity, collectivisation and nationhood. How does government hurt or help these things? Why do they require government? These are cultural ideas. You can't rely on government policies to carry any of these.
Josiah Adams
>why is libertarianism inherintly indidualist Because it is build on the idea that you do not inherintly owe anything to anybody, including your ancestors and offspring. A government is there to continue something that was started in many cases many centuries ago, serving to nation. The libertarian individual has no such ties to the past oe future, and thus will act in self interest. And this self interest in contrast to popular an-cap memery is not de-facto in the interest of the nation. You cant realy ln the government, but it is expected. Nothing isnexpected of the individual
Jaxson Ross
>Because it is build on the idea that you do not inherintly owe anything to anybody, including your ancestors and offspring. But why should we be forced to do these things? Isn't peacefully advocating these responsibilities better than forcing them with a government that can arbitrarily define them? >A government is there to continue something that was started in many cases many centuries ago, serving to nation. What makes individuals and private groups incapable of doing this? What's stopping the government from destroying tradition, as it is doing today?
Isaiah Green
>why would we be forced to do these things Because it could be seen a responsibility. You are not forced to, you are not allowed to activly go against it. >muh peace What happened to physical removal and helicopter rides >what would make an individual incapable of doing this I just told you in my previous post. This is why goverments make readinf compehension mandatory >what is stopping governments from destroying tradition Traitors, would say jews but that might not be to the liking of the many redditors in this general.
Owen Ortiz
Bump for Private Death Squads! Day of the Removal soon.
Tyler Nelson
>Because it could be seen a responsibility. You are not forced to, you are not allowed to activly go against it. So what are you even advocating? Do we need the government to enforce tradition or not? >What happened to physical removal and helicopter rides I never said mentioned either of those things >I just told you in my previous post. This is why goverments make readinf compehension mandatory But you haven't proven that government is necessary for the preservation of tradition and responsibility. You can't control culture. >Traitors, would say jews but that might not be to the liking of the many redditors in this general. So government isn't actually an agent of good, it just helps to promote certain ideas at certain times. You're saying that these traitors should have the ability to control us in the form of government legislation.
Owen Ortiz
Best ancap book to read first?
Leo Richardson
You care a bout your ancestors and offspring right? you'd do right by them even if there wasn't a state right? You care because the goverment makes you care?
Your inclination to family and kin IS A SELFISH INTREST, it is an INDIVIDUALISTIC DISIRE.
Anatomy of the State.
Jose Carter
No but he is somehow different from many other libertarian authors
Hoppe can in a one hour speech philosophically prove that property is the most basic law of social interaction and he builds his ideology up based on that and it just makes sense
Bentley Torres
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James Russell
The Road to Serfdom by Hayek is probably not AnCap in the real sense but it gives you quite a good introduction into libertarian thinking and it btfo's communism and socialism pretty hard
Christopher Carter
Kekistan should be ancap
Joseph Sullivan
You should be killed and Sargon too
David Watson
Dont compare me to that demon
Jaxson Lee
Then stop shitting around with your lelelele kekistan lelelelele
Nicholas Taylor
volintary collectivism is fine you cuckboy.
"I agree with the elder murray rothbard and hans-hermann hoppe that libertarianism is a right-wing movement and that the leftist elements are useful idiots at best, and a cancer that can only be cured by one way helicopter rides at the far mor likely worst"
Quick question, can I be a traditionalist, nationalist and an ancap?
Christian Gonzalez
YES. and PLEASE DO.
Love your people not because hitler will kill you if you don't, but because you love your people.
Alexander Johnson
Traditionalism implies statism so that is a no unless you'd want to form an AnCap society and then look for people who want to voluntarily form a state with you but what's the point then
Nationalism also implies statism since you'd need a state to enforce policies that protect your national culture and demographics etc so I don#t think that would be possible
You could though in an AnCap society just get together with other people who don't wand mudshits in their town and just don't allow them to enter your property
Asher Cooper
>So what are you even advocating? Do we need the government to enforce tradition or not? I already answered this >I never said mentioned either of those things That is even worse >You can't control culture. By emforcing certain laws you most certainly can >So government isn't actually an agent of good, it just helps to promote certain ideas at certain times. Never implied they are inherintly good, just implied it is expecyed from them. Contrary to the individual >You're saying that these traitors should have the ability to control us in the form of government legislation. No, the traitors need to be purged ofcourse.
Ayden Stewart
Anarcho Capitalism doesn't sound that bad, I honestly don't know why people don't bash anarcho communism as much considering that ideology is more of an oxymoron.
Easton Thomas
>black lipstick AVOID
Noah Richardson
If I can control who goes in my town or not I'm fine.
Nathaniel Barnes
It always has been private you dult
Dominic Richardson
Minarchism is superior to AnCap. Prove me wrong.
Aiden Rodriguez
Pinochetan Minarchy is the only way to create ancapistan
Jack Martin
who will prevent cucks from building roads?
Mason Cox
cooperation isn't colectivism you fucking gaylord
Alexander Nelson
The companies that build roads. The government is just there to ensure that the citizens don't nuke™ each other everyday and ensure that the people have a place in international politics instead of several million companies. Also they can enforce or process copyright laws or something.
Benjamin Walker
>Give the power-hungry psycho's interested in political power the military, police and courts.
Yeah that'll keep them contained and prevent them from growing the state back out to the cancerous tumor it is today
Jacob Thomas
It's not self-sacrifice if you think the end result is worth it, and it's not self-sacrifice if it's at gunpoint.
Jordan Wood
Plaease do get another hundred million or so people killed, their memory wears thin.
Dylan Fisher
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Hunter Davis
Based Hobbit.
Josiah Gutierrez
Israeli (((Kibbutz))) were the closest things to anarcho-communism and they pretty much all adopted currencies and started to decollectivize because it wasn't natural. It's just a big pipe dream after all.
Landon Hernandez
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Liam King
Rothbard when younger was a handsome man... no homo.
Jordan Murphy
That is the #1 argument against commies if you think about it.
They say that ALL wage work is inherently exploitative, regardless of how good or bad its conditions, yet +99% of commies IRL prefer to have a job working for someone else instead of working in cooperatives where the employees own the means of production because it's easier and deep down they know their living standards would be way lower than they are working for a wage.
That's why commies are ridiculous, they don't walk their talk.
Mason Parker
Certainly better looking than a lot of people for sure.
Hunter Rivera
Nice, you make this?
Jayden Robinson
Yeah. Thought it would clear up some things on Rothbard. No way in hell he was a social Liberal, hell he trashed Liberals and even mentioned Antonio Gramasci and "the long march through the institutions." He's definitely redpilled on Cultural Marxism.
Juan Price
Right on, keep it up.
Nicholas Brooks
Bump
Nathan Cooper
>need to remove undesirables to create your paradise society >authoritarian measures need to be used >people take advantage of license and society degenerates creating new undesirables >authoritarian measures need to be used to remove undersirables Rinse and repeat. Stop being such hypocrites and embrace true freedom
Kevin Turner
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Jace Evans
>true freedom >autocracy
>authoritarian measures >pushing people of your property
Jeremiah Roberts
*off
Cameron Butler
Undesirables can own property
Connor Miller
The ancoms had a bigger area on place than you. Haha you suck
Dominic Lopez
So? If the community doesn't like them they can push them out through collective ostracism. And if they're not a hazard or nobody has a problem with them, who cares? Why should every community listen to your dear leader? Maybe he's wrong and time will tell. And the best communities prosper.
Hunter Wilson
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Alexander James
What's your point? Democracy allows your undesirables to stand together and fuck over your community. Under ancap they don't get nearly as much influence and are confined to the communities that will have them. And those communities will self-destruct if they are allowed to do damage. You can't save everybody. And you especially can't save them if you put one guy in charge and hope for the best.
Nathaniel Ross
>whats is your point That your hoppean trash ideology consists of contradiction after contradiction Under a true government they wil get 0 influence, turns out my dear leader is actually right
Jack Phillips
ayy senpai where my Rothbard and Mises Pepes at?
what contradictions?
Jackson Rodriguez
>true government >Fascists Yeah central planning and turning your citizenry into obedient cattle is gonna work wonders. If you're dear leader that is.
>Under a true government they wil get 0 influence Or maybe they get 100& influence and destroy the country. Putting all your eggs into one basket is beyond retarded.
Justin Rogers
>obedient cattle Says the consumerist. They will not turn into catlle, they will find freedom in true glory or die trying >if you're dear leader that is Excuse me >or maybe they get 100% Not likely >what contradictions That what he is advocating for creates undesirables that he in turn also wishes to remove. Hoppeans are in a way suicidal
Liam Ramirez
How does it create undesirables? Undesirables are largely sponsored and subsidized by the welfare state and by public institutions and public education. Remove those from the equation and degeneracy returns to the closet or even fades away. Have you even bothered to read Democracy—The God That Failed?