I have a question for Sup Forumsacks

I see a lot of.. Criticism of Islam on this board, but nobody really makes arguments; they mostly yell.

That's why I'd like to ask you, the average Sup Forums browser, why you
think Islam is bad.

Is it the fact that Islam is associated with terrorism and letting
people from Muslim countries into the USA is a threat to safety? Or
is it because many Muslims have views that are incompatible with
western principles like democracy?

Are their beliefs the problem or is terrorism the problem?
If someone is born in a peaceful Muslim family living
in your country and they condemn terrorism of any kind,
would you have a problem with them living in your country?

Arabs suck

Theoretically muslims and right-wing Christians should get along, but it rarely works out that way. Usually because of issues like free speech, for example.

I don't really have a problem with Islam and i've only ever met decent muslims but i don't think they should be migrating to the west en mass.

The arab world has a great culture, traditions, and people. Makes me mad knowing western leaders hve turned the place on its head in the last 50 years for the rich.

We wouldn't be experiencing terrorism if it wasn't for western leaders.
We wouldn't have to deal with the negatives of islam if our leaders didn't bring them into our countries.

I support the arab struggle against US imperialism.

Islam is a political totalitarian ideology and a religion.
That is a problem.
Muhammad was a warlord and a pedophile.
That is a problem.
A lot of muslims are inbred, which leads to extremism.
That is a problem.
I could go on and on.

I just don't like them because they look gross

I'm constantly amazed at the number of ignorant Mohammedans who do not know the world hates them for very good reasons.

You are idiotic, inbred, vicious, murderous pedophiles stuck in the 6th century BC.

Not even in theory. Try to explain polygamy and "kill random groups of people because Mohammed said so" morality to conservative christians.

Yeah, but the question refers to Muslims who aren't extremists, and don't stick to everything their holy book says (like almost all Christians).
If there are Muslims who don't believe in the totalitarianism you speak of, would there be any problem with them being in, say, America?

>If someone is born in a peaceful Muslim family living
>in your country and they condemn terrorism of any kind,
>would you have a problem with them living in your country?
I would not have a problem with that as long as they also have progressive views about politic, religion and freedom. The problem is that even if they were raised in a loving and peaceful family, it doesn't imply they share values with us. Many muslims raised in peaceful and loving families have ties or support a terrorism group, even here in Canada there are some muslims associations in many Universities that support radical Islam. Look at Iqra Khalid, she's the one behind the anti-islamophobia motion in Canada yet her and her dads have ties with extremist islamic groups.

Nations like Albania and Kazakhstan are proof that Islam can exist in a normal functioning society (for East European standards). It's true that Islam is inherently militant, but the real issue is Arabs and other sandniggers.

In other words, the real issue with Islam is the people who profess their belief in it. This is why reddit tier islamophobia is eye-roll worthy, people think reforming Islam or converting them to Christianity will somehow produce functioning societies when in reality it's still the same 70 iq nigger and sandniggers apes.

Its not just extremism its so many things

mohamad was a pedo
commands you to kill people
religion treats women like shit
you guys inbreed

and thats the start

now lets say you condemn the prophet for his flaws then lets say you stop inbreeding, then you let women wear whatever they want, give better rights, men dont have right to beat women, no polygamy, lets say you dont accept kill the non believers and lets say you abandon racism against abeeds aka black people and lets say you start to intermarry and the kids change religion and all

essentially you fully modernize

What do you have? islam? no a shell of a religion where the good parts are picked up and everything bad is dropped, at this point you may say well whats wrong with that? aint that great? well no

see if you're willing to pick and choose parts of a religion then theres nothing stopping you from doing the same with other religions

which is why you see americans turning to yoga without god where they pick and choose what they want.

you might be thinking well whats wrong? to put it in 1 word?

Identity

your identity has been erased and replaced with custom ones rather than a superior fixed one like buddhism, identities that are wholly made by the individual and hence will never give him the full experience of any religion, so you may be free from the dark parts of islam but you will never truly gain the good parts of say Buddhism without leaving your islamic identity behind, and if you do then you are no longer muslim

Not only that, this lack of solid identification leaves you open to subversion with an inferior identity meaning some other religion can always take over.

Wahhabi muslims and wahhabism in general.

The fact that the Holy Qu'ran also has passages that allow lying and manipulation of infidels also doesn't add a very good flavor to things as well.

Now... I am an engineer and I believe that there is a calculated risk always involved when doing anything that needs to be taken in to account.
On the topic of muslims in general, or anyone of a belief that strongly goes against the order of nation X or nation Y, must integrate and assimilate.
That is how we hold up our end of the social contract, by agreeing upon common terms at a judicial and national level.
Not integrating adds a massive bump to risk, and causes all sorts of nasty problems in the longer run that tend to lead to anti-social behaviour among these communities.

You may believe in what you wish, but your intent and your actions and how you present it affect others. When that line is crossed, fuck who you are and what you believe in, whether it is a god, gods, or nothing, matters not in the slightest.

The horrible, racist, feefee-hurting numbers say that there are a limited number of resources and many things that need to be managed in this clusterfuck we call society, so to keep it all rolling forward, a line needs to be drawn in the real world.

What is the risk affects of having a subversive ideology with a tacked-on theocratic system of governance tacked on nesting in a country?

"Not all muslims believe that", to which "Not all muslims shun it" can said and we have a circular debate with no value.
What is the risk vs. benefit in this case?
What is the benefit of having this nesting, growing in to a larger problem as time goes on? Humanism? Altruism? What about when it runs out, and someone has to pick up the pieces because of these unwise decisions.
"You can't talk about people like that!" That's how the world works, hard work, planning, and thinking of the bigger picture. Not everything is racial, you cuck.

Also other stuff like bonding with others is now reliant on materialistic things which as you can imagine is a pretty bad idea, religion truly acts as the best way to bond with others since at its core no materialism and can begin early on and everyone has at least 1 thing in common that is their belief.

fpbp

Please go away.

Muslims are the enemy and will always be the enemy because they believe in some unjustifiable shit resulting in some totalitarian garbage. They're the most brainwashed people on earth and as such barely registers as human beings.

Chirstians do stick to the New Testament, but Jesus only preached love, unlike Muhammad who waged wars and raped a 9 year old.
There aren't many liberal muslims, you know? I personally would not have problem with them. But most muslims are conservative. For example in Indonesia which is considered the most progressive muslim county, women have to take two finger test to enlist to army or police. Females have zero rights in their countries.
And they chop off heads in their holy city Mecca. These are not ISIS, these are conservative muslims.

REMOVE KEBAB

Any response or this yet another slide thread?

They fear islam, because the (((media))) told them to fear islam.

The truth is that islam is the optimal political stance. Just the right position between capitalism, fascism and socialism.

>social market economy
>real social justice
>no feminism
>no (((capitalist))) exploitation
>moral values
>no degeneracy

Islam guides the individual to become the best without being tempted by degenerate vices.

>Yeah, but the question refers to Muslims who aren't extremists,

They don't matter. There's no reason to take them as they end up covering for the extremists ones anyway. The extremists are (1) right about their religion and (2) MUCH more influential than the moderates.

There's no reason for us NOT to massacre or deport the moderate en masse.

Why is there a presumption that we should take ANYONE in our countries? The presumption is that we take NO ONE. We're not even full we just don't fucking want them. We don't need any reason.

kill yourself vule

>moral values
>no degeneracy
That's where you're wrong kiddo.

Christianity had a Reformation. Mudslimes did not.

Islam systematically breed to worst hypocrite on the face of the earth. Nobody wants to live with Muslims, not even Muslims.

>white knight cuck

Oh no, the male feminists have arrived!

There is literally nothing wrong with your picture.

When they move to a city in the west they form ghettos, within this ghettos they make small version of the shithole country they were running away from.

They are well known to lie to your face, not on important matters, i would understand, they lie about everything on a daily basis, just for sport.

They do not integrate, they don't want to.
They are traitors to their new nation, in the most traditional sense of the word.
They have this tiring apologist, that lie over and over. If you comment or critizise anything about their culture or religion they respond with violence.
They are often arrogant and they think they are superior, every other word they say is "ignorant", even though they are barely literate barbarians with 0 culture.
They impose their culture and religion wherever they go. Women with hair scarfs and mosques calling for prayer in every corner. I don't see many christian churches in the muslim world, and they would police or forbid you doing your own customs in their land, i.e. showing affection in public or drinking alcohol
The list is neverending.
Enough tolerance with the intolerants, there is only 2 good muslims, the one who kill muslims and the dead one.

>I'm seeing a women's hair, quick bring down civilization

Fag.

>ive never heard a good argument against islam
Fuck off shill

because even the most liberal muslims be like
>religion of peace and tolerance
>he drew muhammad so kinda deserved it
>istanbul and andalusia were rightful conquests
>muh israel

And they never will, because during reformation Christians actually started reading the bible themselves and got back to the roots of Christianity (Jesus' message)
But Muhammad was not moral, their reformation would mean the destruction of the whole message of Islam. That's why they don't want reformation.

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They are all evil and believe in raping children so they should all die. I hope Trump nukes them all.

You should know better

Islam has become awful because of generations of inbreeding. Muslims like marrying first cousins (because Mohammed did) and this causes problems.
Inbreeding cause lowered IQ, which puts a large portion of the Islamic population in the violently retarded bracket.
The inbreeding also makes them ugly as sin. Islam is a mistake and even Muslims suffer because of it.

It's actually quite difficult to figure out what the Koran is about. It's a disjointed mess with very little substance. That's why the secondary literature (hadith) became rather fundamental, and it's why you often see Muslims quote the Hadith more so than the Koran, provided that the Hadith is some bs designed to lull westerners to sleep. If you take the whole body of the hadith you get some horrendous shit.

I haven't fully characterized the Muhammedan yet. I know they're a struggle ideology in that their religion posit a future utopia, opposed by an evil force (infidel) where a hero (them) is supposed to struggle (jihad) against the bad guys so as to usher in the alleged utopia, but I don't know what to make of it outside of that. There's a sense in which it is extremely similar to Marxism in this respect. (In Marxism, the utopia is communism, not sharia. The bad guys are the capitalists, the capital owners and the heros are the members of the working class. It's the same story in both at a deeper level.)

I really don't think Islam is bad. I'm not anti-religious, I'm a traditionalist. I think forced integration is bad and I think taking millions of Muslims into the West is bad. Both have admirable qualities, when you put them together, the worst of both groups comes out.

It's not the fear of terrorism, it's more the fear of increasing loss of their own territory. Crimes goes up, welfare payments go up, and everything else goes up. I'd be far more comfortable giving payments for them to stay there honestly. I'd be 100x happier with that. But mixing groups together, due to Jewish interests, neuroticism of "anudda shoah", and paranoia is a non-answer.

During my fedora phase I familiarized myself with every religion on earth, Islam is exactly opposite of everything you would want from religion and the main reason why middle east is so shit, without it Arabs would become second China but with oil.

Islam is the optimal religion. The only true morality. The reason why middel east is fucked up is because of western intervention, starting with Balfour declaration and Sykes-Picot agreement in the early 20th century.

>Islam is perfect and optimal
>Islam got butt fucked by something else

Okay.

Weak b8 m8

Noone is messing with Sudan and it is the biggest shithole on earth
The west was not mesing with Yemen, or Oman, more shitholes, and the list goes on and on.

Obviously you don't know the history of those countries. They were Anglo territory once. Of course they've been fucked.

Before the anglos, only tribes of camel fuckers lived there. They just came and take.

Islam was fucked before the anglos did anything to them.

Proof: the anglos were able to do things to them.

Other proof: other countries with anglo interventions didn't turn to shit, namely South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan.

Culture is hard. Muslims fail at being humans.

No, Islam is full of warmongering, you can't build religion on that because it lead to radicalization and split on smaller groups that constantly have to fight with something. Even if you somehow manage to stop it or kill all radicals in generation or two more of them will pop out because ideology itself is flawed. That's why Christians can get along well but Muslims can't.

1 muslim country deserve any repsect at all after the middle ages, that is the ottoman himself. They were militarist, not islamists.
And still they were about a century behind the west by the time of the big wars.

To be perfectly honest, my criticism of Islam is mostly that it is not Christianity; that it teaches untruths about God and his only begotten Son. It is a violent and brutal religion, but this truly is incidental to the main flaw, which is the only true flaw of anything in this world. It does not proclaim the living Christ.

Inbreeding is the problem and it's only going to get worse. Islam is the Muslims greatest enemy.

Islam is a supremacist belief system that makes no separation between secular and divine law/governance. That means Islam's own teaching is the law for society. Many sins are therefore necessarily not only transgressions against the will of God but crimes that must be punished by the state.

Islam teaches that non-Muslims have to be subjugated under Muslims, this is done by what amounts to extortion (pay the jizya or else) and threat of force (and use of force if the non-Muslims refuse. Muslim supremacy also means non-Muslims can never have equal rights with Muslims in any society ruled according to Islam.

Of course it goes without saying that in an Islamic society the liberties and rights of individuals are strictly curtailed, sometimes in ways that may seem absurd because the it ultimately rests on what the Qur'an says and what the example of Muhammad and his followers was.

The Qur'an is also full of falsehood. For example, it makes false claims about what Christians actually believe (and believed at the time the madman recited his teachings) and essentially smears them..

Violence and hostility are an inseparable part of Islamic orthodoxy. There is no way around this fact, no way to spin it away.

Individual Muslims might or might not follow what Islam teaches (and frankly a lot of Muslims don't even know well what it teaches) so talking about Muslim individuals is a red herring.

Shut the fuck up.

>why you
>think Islam is bad.
1. Its a religion based on objectively incorrect things (as all religions are)
2. Their prophet was a war mongering pedophile who explicity told his followers to take up swords and arms against all who opposed them
3. Muslims are told in the Quaran and the hadiths that Muhammad was the PERFECT muslim and that they should all strive to be like him. Hence why so many of them are barbaric subhuman pedos who will kill anyone they dont like
4. Muslims are told specifically that jihad and martyrmdom are very high honors and their religious duty in the Quaran and the hadiths. This is why so many of them are willing to kill themselves for their fairy tale.
5. The Quaran, unlike MOST other religions, claims to be the final word of god and the final revelation. This means that there can never be reform and its why muslims havent changed in thousands of years while other religions have.
6. Its followers get so triggered so easily by so many different things to the point where french citizens can be killed in their own country in broad daylight execution style by mudslime gangs for daring to mock the muslim prophet.
7. They are basically manchildren crybabies no different from sjw's. Always getting triggered by everything and refusing to have any kind of discussion or dialogue with those they dont agree with. They would rather just autistically screech ALLAH ACKBAR at the top of their lungs in true sjw style.

8. Taqiyah. Now muslims are SUPPOSED to only lie about their religion when they feel they are being prosecuted, but because this is pretty vague and any muslim can claim they feel prosecuted because they dont live in a country under strict shariah law, it means they can pretty much openly lie about their religion at any and all times. This is why so many of them tell you islam of the religion of peace when they know full well it is not.

I have more but i think that should be enough to go on.