I've been studying NatSoc, 4th Political Theory, White Nationalism, Traditionalism etc.
While I agree that the international Jew must be stopped & forced multiculturalism ended - I simply cannot get on board with the idea of White Supremacy/Superiority. In my experience, CULTURE is the deciding factor, not genetics. The eugenics argument, in my opinion, is why Hitler failed & why NatSoc has failed in all other non-German countries. If whites are superior, how did the Jew rise to the top? Why are they so scared? Why so violent?
It doesn't make sense.
I was wondering if there is an inclusive form of NatSoc, that disregards eugenics as the pseudo science it really is. Why can't we, as Americans of any genetic heritage, come together, accepting each other as fellow countrymen & actually effect positive change for all?
Isn't racial divisiveness, hatred & violence the gameplan of the Jew? Wouldn't it be more effective to unite culturally? Isn't the rise of Cultural Marxism directly related to the failure of Cultural Nationalism?
Please spare me the rhetoric. Only well thought out & articulate responses are relevant.
TLDR: I support nationalism & traditionalism, but philosophically bereft eugenics & racial arguments are preventing me from fully committing.
>I was wondering if there is an inclusive form of NatSoc, that disregards eugenics as the pseudo science it really is.
Yeah, it's called fascism.
Asher Young
>simply cannot get on board with the idea of White Supremacy/Superiority. Cause you are a subhuman shitskin
Benjamin Myers
Fuck off kike
Jonathan Hill
Race-mixing, though not common, is not un-natural.
Again, I maintain that the racial argument is the reason why NatSoc failed & why cultural Marxism succeeded.
Respecting one's own race is natural, but to force it is not. Forced monoculturalism is no different than forced multiculturalism.
Jaxon Cruz
>is not un-natural. what a cretin >Forced monoculturalism We don't want forced monoculturalism. We want enforced monoracialism. Multiracial society simply doesn't work. Go screech somewhere else, mongoloid
Connor Sullivan
You don't have to be white to be NS, there are National socialist people of all races, the president of Mexico is NS, national socialism is an IDEA and a way of living. The Japanese were allies with the Nazi's and had people of many races in the Nazi army. It's not so much about superiority, as it is to respect your own race. We don't believe in race mixing of any race, it's about preservation not only for our own but all races. Furthermore, race mixing is a way for the Jew to win and weaken us. They want us to all race mix and lose our cultural heritage as a way to weaken us. When any race loses touch with its heritage that culture dies and therefore the their strength. No offense, but if you're not against race mixing you're brainwashed by the Jews.
Angel Lopez
I responded to your previous post here Why do you conflate race with culture? They are 2 separate things. Culture is a belief & a way of life - a choice. Race is not.
Brody Gomez
Why are you pro white supremacy, you're a jew? Have you read the torah? Your race's main goal is to exterminate us.
Jackson Clark
Culture comes from genetics. Sure small groups can integrate into a foreign culture, but if left to their own devices they would never create the same culture. Genetics determine a lot of behavioral traits, if you knew anything about dog breeding this would be obvious. Some dogs have hunting instincts some don't, some have pack mentality, some don't. The same is true for different human races, and that explains the differences in culture that stems from these races, location and climate plays a role too but not as much as you expect.
Carson Rivera
>Sure small groups can integrate into a foreign culture Integration = dilution of blood with shit
James Reyes
>I simply cannot get on board with the idea of White Supremacy/Superiority.
Who created civilization? Who invented societal law? Who invented agriculture and complex language? Who discovered mathematics and architecture?
Was it niggers? Was it Jews? Was it Asians? Was it anyone besides the Aryan? No? Then the Aryan is the superior race. Whites are the direct descendants of the Aryans -- we are currently the superior race. Need proof?
Every modern white civilization is wealthy and strong. Whites put mankind on the fucking moon. And etc. etc. etc.
Stay mad, rabbi.
Josiah Jones
Why do you keep deleting? It makes it impossible to have this conversation.
No offense, but you've lost my interest. Not everyone who asks questions or dissents is brainwashed by Jews.
I have legit questions. If you don't have legit answers, then you & I can simply stop talking. Telling me I'm brainwashed by the Jews is the same thing as these other calling me a mongrel.
IT"S THE REASON WHY NATSOC FAILS.
Juan King
I meant it as, they can adapt to the values of the host culture and forget their own.
Jack Howard
> In my experience, CULTURE is the deciding factor, not genetics.
Then How come blacks consistently score lowest on IQ tests and tests in general even after desegregation?
>inb4 persecution
Jews have been persecuted for thousands of years and how come they have the highest IQ and are the smartest ethnicity on earth?
You should also watch video related and read whats in the paste below because you clearly haven't read into the scientific portion of National Socialism
Asher Wilson
They need US. WE don't need them. There should be no non-whites in White nations whatsoever.
>In my experience, CULTURE is the deciding factor, not genetics Culture is born of genetic traits and determined by genetics you faggot. Do you think it just appeared out of nowhere?
Gavin Green
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Eli Butler
Reminder that in 1973 the AAMD passed a bill lowering the IQ requirement for mental retardation from 85 to 70 because too many blacks were legally retarded.
If what you say is true, then you need to genocide people who don't have 100% of their racial blood. I propose you start with the fake whites with only 95% European blood.
Trust me on this friend.
Anthony Taylor
So the arab world is white now? because Babylon predates even the greeks by 1,500 years.
Jaxson Rogers
>steals the concept of aryan from Iran-India since he only had mudhuts to call culture when the other civilizations flourishing
Jace Hill
I understand you believe that, but I don't
Take Thomas Sowell for example. According to your theory he should be illiterate & violent. He is not. Similar examples of that proliferate. I have looked into the "genetics determine behavior" argument & it simply does not hold water. If it were true, then illiterate klansmen wouldn't be illiterate klansmen.
Pretty much every single culture that has existed for a certain length of time has created all of these, many derivative - but some in a vacuum. For example, indigenous Americans created the the mathematical concept of ZERO & also were the first to untilize genetic modifications to create maize - in a vacuum.
Every white civilization is wealthy & strong? Take a look at the world around you, man. Oh, wait - you called me rabbi - why the fuck did I eve bother to respond..
Chase Jackson
>propose you start with the fake whites with only 95% European blood. DNA based entrance to Europe for Americans and Meds is a long established idea in Germanic traditionalist and nationalist circles
Ethan Reed
>If whites are superior, how did the Jew rise to the top?
It is not about superiority, it is about preservation of ones own people and race. every race has evolved to their own climates and conditions
>Why can't we, as Americans of any genetic heritage, come together, accepting each other as fellow countrymen & actually effect positive change for all?
this guy was a lifelong democrat and harvard professor, started studying it and was shocked to see what he found. spent rest of his life trying to debunk his own studies without success.
Bentley Flores
Europeans have been superior for most of the last 200-300 years, it's objectively a fact looking at history and expansion of both European territory and culture throughout the world. The most obvious being the genetic influence of Europeans in the world as a whole, the cultural influence (language, fashion, the way government is set up). That said however..
National Socialism or nationalism in general is a n inherently aggressive ideology, that's why it fails, because it cannot exist without hostility towards the 'other'.
Easton Allen
>Who created civilization? Ancient Egyptians and Sumerians >Who invented societal law? See above >Who invented agriculture and complex language? See above >Who discovered mathematics and architecture? See above + many Asian and middle eastern cultures far before any white culture >Was it niggers? of the sand variety, yes >Was it Jews? yes >Was it Asians? yes >Was it anyone besides the Aryan? yes >No? yes
Robert Scott
Because many jews today are just whites who have been raised as jews just as their parents were, their blood long ago no longer jewish in any meaningful sense, so now they are just kikes in mind and thought.
Easton Gomez
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Caleb Morris
>whites conquer almost the entire world through intelligence and strength >b-but jews are in positions of power how can white people be superior?
go away.
Hudson Walker
>that's why it fails, because it cannot exist without hostility towards the 'other'.
I don't understand what you mean, nazi germany was at peace for 6 years until it was provoked by poland and the entire ZOG went full force against it
Owen Foster
Hilterian "Aryan master race" eugenics is pseudoscience- but eugenics as a whole is a valid concept worth considering. In the absence of any sort of eugenics program (like we have now) dysgenics will inevitably occur. The situation is only exacerbated when combined with the cultural liberalism you touched on: instead of the most intelligent, most ambitious people breeding they are burdened with excessive taxes to subsidize the proliferation of low IQ mongrels, born into broken families and a culture that glorifies criminality, hedonism and anti-intellectualism. This is happening to all races, but is most pronounced in blacks and hispanics- see the bell curve by Charles Murray and Dysgenics by Richard Flynn for more on this topic. Abortions are a good start- but a nation that embraces more aggressive solutions like sterilization and fully commits to genetic engineering will pull ahead in a few generations due to the vast increases in human capital that will undoubtably result. Reactionary Transhumanism is the future.
Camden Reed
I would say it has to do with culture & the lack of educational values in the black community or resources in Africa. It's been proven time & again that when blacks are introduced to white culture, they excel. You're making arguments about things I never said. And you're right. If there is a scientific argument to be made for eugenics, I'm willing to listen to it with an oopen mind. So far, it's all been scientifically discredited racial theory. Maybe your vid will have u to date info for me. I'll watch it.
Oliver Garcia
WE WUZ
Civilisation began in Greece. You need a civil society with manifested rights. Subhuman non-whites don't qualify. Civilisation can only be purebred European
>SAT scores under 1k I don't understand, this can't be what i think it is, is this including all three scores? It must be just 2
Eli Thompson
Nature > nurture. I'm not saying that in a supremacist context though. Just take a look at twin studies. Mengele was ahead of his time.
Hudson Wilson
Even if we ignore your retardation, Nazi Germany was organized as a state for war, the very basis for Hitler's economic plans were based on expansion of the German state.
Ethan Jenkins
>It's been proven time & again that when blacks are introduced to white culture, they excel.
[Citation Needed]
>So far, it's all been scientifically discredited racial theory.
>It's been proven time & again that when blacks are introduced to white culture, they excel. Gotta be a joke. What is Minnesota study, dumb ape? The only reason it failed is because Britain rejected peace offer multiple times. Expansion of superior races is a normal state. Even further, we should have listened to Darwin and exterminated non-whites
Levi Phillips
>purebred european t. eurasian mongol rape baby hmmmmm greeks are closer genetically to arabs than they are to slav shits. your leader just got cucked tonight btw. >wrong >links to pseudo-scientific bullshit link that I will surely not click nice argument
Robert Ward
>It's been proven time & again that when blacks are introduced to white culture, they excel I hope you're joking.
The American Journal of Human Genetics (Volume 82, Issue 1, 10 January 2008, p. 236-250)
But let's leave the science denial to 1/16 Cherokee 1/32 black church going American subhumans
Asher Nguyen
>Then How come blacks consistently score lowest on IQ tests and tests in general even after desegregation?
You know, I just looked up the source to your chart and it turns out that it's complete bullshit. Nowhere in that pdf does it show the average SAT scores by race and income.
The person who made that chart (probably an illiterate stormfag) basically made up the numbers off the top of their heads. See for yourself.
>everything I don't like is psuedo science Good false flag bait user
Alexander Cruz
There's no escaping the horde of extra-chromosome actual racist retards if you want to ride this train. They're like flies on shit. All the same shifting the Overton Window remains a necessity at this point regardless of whether or not it gives wood to the white supremacist crowd.
Obviously it's mainly culture, but the confounders are pretty extreme and it's a relatively decent shorthand to talk about western white values even if it's nowhere near so simple.
Nobody said politics was pretty.
Jason Scott
Appreciate the info & I will look at the links. My counter would be that with out forced multiculturalism, preservation will naturally occur. This doesn't necessarily condone the racial argument.
True. But superiority by any race can be used as an example if you remove the chronological factor. That doesn't necessarily prove anything. Cultural superiority I can understand. Racial, I have not yet been able to. Every argument for it is weak af.
every culture has conquered at one time or another. This non-argument is why NatSoc fails.
I'll look into those books, thanks. Personally, I'm opposed to abortion & sterilization programs because it un-naturally removes the idea of personal responsibility. Not that transhumanism is has anything to do with that..
Jeremiah Bell
You obviously have not studied it. More likely read from a local history book or watched a documentary from history channel..
Ayden Bailey
Nice try nigger, but your wishful thinking won't change the biology of your race.
Lincoln Diaz
>it's mainly culture Go breed with niggers chang. I'm sure your offspring will excel
Nicholas Gomez
>I was wondering if there is an inclusive form of NatSoc, that disregards eugenics as the pseudo science it really is.
Fascist Corporatism
Gabriel King
Depends what you mean by normal, in today's world an (true) expansion of any relevant state (Germany, the U.S, China, Russia and so on) would almost certainly lead to a world war instantaneously. Hence the problem of nationalism in general, it relies on aggressiveness trough superiority, but that can only get you so far when it comes to global alliances.
Grayson Thomas
>If whites are superior, how did the Jew rise to the top? Why are they so scared? Why so violent?
This shit again. Europeans are a lot more individualistic which allowed us to build civilization whereas jews are more tribalistic which makes them good at subverting a culture like ours where the team isnt working together. Read culture of critique.
Angel White
He's right. All this bullshit justifies complete extermination of the savage races. Now we can only do it with chemical and biological weapons
Anthony Wood
I even made things easy for you by showing you both tables listed in your faulty chart as sources. Here's Table 9. You almost had me going there for a second but the fact of the matter is that alot of your talking points are based on faulty logic and outright lies.
Chase Diaz
This Also you're a faggot of you're not an ethno nationalist. Nobody said anything white supremacy. Although culturally we are GOAT
Oliver Young
Then please explain to me the Thomas Sowell example I cited earlier. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying the evidence contradicts racial theory.
Again, thomas Sowell & the many, many non-whites who have excelled beyond expectation. Look no further than contemporary Asians. I know race is real. My argument is that the focus on racial hegemony is why NatSoc failed & why cultural Marxism succeeds.
Best response thus far. I'm still looking to study a nationalist ideology that eschews eugenics. Does it exist?
Christian Lee
Fuck off neocohen, your yid tricks don't work here
Nathan Sanders
>Brazilian >Calling other people niggers
I'm not black, I just fact check the bullshit that written here. The very fact that you take the things said here at face value shows just how subhuman you really are. Aren't most Brazilians mostly black these days anyway?
Aaron Gray
We most certainly must exterminate arabs, negroids, chinese and southeast asians. we have no choice
Julian King
>culture of critique I will, thank you.
Daniel Sanchez
Race isn't a social construct, society is a racial construct.
Fuck you and fuck your sterile, pointless (((civic))) nationalism. I want whites to have an inviolable homeland, you bloody kike, and I'll be damned if I let in hordes of unwashed niggers and spics just because "hey, not ALL of them are bad!"
Eat shit. Also, saged.
Jose Harris
Right? > durr the whole kike western world united against Germany >clearly evidence of flaw in the racial aspect
Hard to grasp how dumb people are
Nathan Smith
Oh wow, go fuck yourself. People of the fertile crescent weren't arabs, but they were not white, either. It was remarked upon repeatedly throughout history that Arabs were sitting jealously in a shithole on the south of the Arabian peninsula up until the advent of Islam and they invaded the Persian empire.
Austin Nelson
>Does it exist?
Let me know if you find it. It would be amazing to shift hard right, get the civilized browns and Asians onside (waves at the Japs) in their huge numbers, and find a way of letting the troglodytes do their thing far far away so we don't get lumped in with them.
I hope somebody out there is working on this kind of shit, anyway.
Henry Wright
>> durr the whole kike western world Italy, Spain, Portugal. Do you even know who ruled those countries? Had Britain and Germany united as Hitler intended there would be a better world for all of us human enough to exist. Hans and James are suited to rule the world.
Cameron Kelly
Your hatred is spiritual poison & the number one reason why your failed utopia will never manifest. You think vulgarity is a proper substitute for articulate argument & have the balls to call someone else a nigger? Take a look in the mirror, man.
And I never said race is a construct. Indeed I confirmed it's actuality. I'm making the argument that racial hegemony, as a political philosophy, is why NatSoc loses & cultural marxism succeeds. Nobody has addressed that yet - and especially not you. You are the reason why you fail.
Connor Sanders
>"i dont support nationalism because reasons"
ask yourself this, and answer honestly. is it because you're a non-white?
Andrew Jenkins
Sounds like you want to be a conservative. Go for it.
but the idea that peoples separated by DNA (ie, race) might be different is racism?
hmm.
Blake Jones
Actually yes. >tfw I will never be fully white
Gabriel Lee
>white nationalism*
James Nelson
>the fact of the matter is that alot of your talking points are based on faulty logic and outright lies.
I admit that the chart I posted was outright wrong yes. However, in no way does it change the fact that there is much fabrication when it comes to the "nurture over nature" argument regarding blacks. Blacks continuously after desegregation and civil rights have continuously scored the lowest on tests throughout the nation. I have still yet to get an explanation to how the Jews have been able to achieve the title of highest intelligence of any ethnicity after being persecuted, and kicked out of almost every European country, along with some arab ones, almost genocided twice yet still are smarter than blacks who hadn't been conquered for the better half of a millennia. Race is real and is a very strong factor in determining IQ
Dominic Rivera
>Again, thomas Sowell & the many, many non-whites who have excelled beyond expectation
What is an outlier for 500 please
Nicholas Phillips
I am white. But "white" is not some monolithic culture in my country like it is in yours. White culture is not workably homogenous. American Culture, however, is. I'm asking if there is anyone who has expounded on Cultural Nationalism without resorting to failed racial theories?
Mason Lee
It ain't very consistent at it m8
like my brother is a dumb manlet despite coming from the same genetics as me
Oliver Ward
You are in for a treat. Since you mentioned it, something that also gets covered there is how the fields of social sciences and anthropology moved away from racial darwinistic and evolutionary theories under the influence of more and more jewish intellectuals entering those fields. Especially suspicious because jews as a group are living proof how eugenistic and cohesive ethnic groups do well at surviving and competing for resources.
David Garcia
Determines or effects?
Anyway, I never made the argument that race isn't real, just that it has failed as the basis a successful political philosophy. Why do you argue against something I never said?
Taking in the masses of semi-illiterate working class whites, wouldn't it also be safe to say that independently successful whites are also outliers?
Carson Campbell
>get the civilized browns and Asians onside Ewww. Non-whites are fucking ugly and creepy. There should be a special country, or better yet a eugenic programme in each ethnostate, for handsome White people only.
You only argue to include those subhumans in, because you are a subhuman yourself
Jayden Diaz
I've seen enough of West Virginia to know that many whites aren't master race material.
Jaxson Flores
>im white but "white" scholomo plz
what happenes in prisons? people form society and culture based on race. i agree that races mixed in the past but in very little ammounts. genetic differences play a huge part in how well a "inferior" ethnic group, for lack of a better term, has struggles in a society where the mean is far better than you are. crime come about through relative poverty. even though someone from another race can adapt to western life, most cant. vise versa, otyer european sub-races come in conflict but they are more culturally simmilar. because they evolved that way.
and that not evn going into weather an ethno state ethical or even important(it is)
jew/10
Luis Nelson
Ive seen enough of China and Russia to know that mongoloids aren't human
James Bell
>I admit that the chart I posted was outright wrong yes
Finally, someone on this site with some integrity.
>Blacks continuously after desegregation and civil rights have continuously scored the lowest on tests throughout the nation.
One factor that you seem to be excluding is socioeconomic status. A child born in poverty will not have access to the same resources and opportunities that someone who was born into a rich family will. Blacks have been systematically oppressed in your country for decades and there are long lasting repercussions to that. To this day blacks have far less money than whites do and so they won't be able to afford expensive SAT prep courses or have access to tutors and probably won't have educated parents either, all of which will cause lower test scores.
Also, I don't know where this idea that a comparatively lower average IQ means that all blacks are destined to become criminals comes from. Crime is decreasing every single year in America, does that necessarily mean that blacks are getting smarter?
Jordan Moore
>human race
Nathan Jones
Determines or effects?
Anyway, I never made the argument that race isn't real, just that it has failed as the basis a successful political philosophy. Why do you argue against something I never said?
Taking in the masses of semi-illiterate working class whites, wouldn't it also be safe to say that independently successful whites are also outliers?
Moved towards what? Racial deconstruction? I've answered to that charge repeatedly in this thread.
Further, I would like to point out to you that there is NO genetic marker indicating somebody is a Jew. Jews are not a race, they are primarily a culture. Which is the point I'm trying to make. How can one defeat a culture without resorting to culture, instead being distracted by discredited eugenic theories?
Landon Johnson
>too many errors to fix*
Grayson Evans
Leave this board leaffaggot retard and never come back. What is Minnesota transracial adoption study? Who is James Watson?
Niggers are subhumans. Deal with it
Noah Lewis
>NO genetic marker indicating somebody is a Jew. Jews are not a race, they are primarily a culture. Just stop posting
Luke Powell
Seen the same and worse in WV, try again. There's pond scum of all races.
Ethan Bell
I'd like to respond, but you've called me a Jew twice. Good day to you, potatoenigger.
Eli Clark
OP part of your problem is that you don't understand the extent of human biodiversity. Sure stormfags may parrot a lot of old 19th century shit that doesn't necessarily stand up to scientific scrutiny, but YOU are parroting a bunch of 20th century jew lies that have hobbled the European people for too long. The idea that culture is somehow independent of racial origin is patent nonsense and flies in the face of everything we know about behavioral genetics in humans and animals.
Surely you are intelligent enough to draw conclusions from what you must already know from looking into genome-wide complex trait analysis (GCTA) and studies like this, especially when they show clinal variations in attitudes like individualism vs. collectivism, or more abrupt demarcations like the Hajnal Line.
Jaxon Edwards
>Billbillys do jillbilly things Right. And theres no such thing as bydlo in russia, chwas, niggers and so on
Nathaniel Cruz
>same and worse in WV Sure you did, Tewuhwan. Extermination of Chinese is a challenge we must face as a planet
