This thread is for Discussion of Libertarianism, Capitalism, Anarcho-Capitalism, and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace.
Some reading:
The Law - Frédéric Bastiat
liberalstudies.ca
>Economics in One Lesson - Henry Hazlitt
mises.org
>Free To Choose - Milton and Rose Friedman
il-rs.org.br
>Hayek’s The Constitution of Liberty - Eugene F. Miller
iea.org.uk
>Liberty or Equality - Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn
mises.org
Other urls found in this thread:
lewrockwell.com
mises.org
mises.org
riosmauricio.com
mises.org
mises.org
mises.org
mises.org
mises.org
mises.org
archive.lewrockwell.com
archive.lewrockwell.com
lewrockwell.com
mises.org
mises.org
mises.org
mises.org
mises.org
mises.org
mises.org
pastebin.com
discord.gg
youtube.com
youtube.com
youtube.com
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discord.gg
investopedia.com
moneyterms.co.uk
en.wikipedia.org
twitter.com
>the free market would fix the problem of new threads if the regulatory Sup Forums state didn't intervene with silly rules sub-edition
HOPPE READING LIST:
>Articles by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
lewrockwell.com
>The Economics and Ethics of Private Property
mises.org
>A Short History of Man: Progress and Decline
mises.org
>Democracy - The God That Failed
riosmauricio.com
>A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism
mises.org
>From Aristocracy, to Monarchy, to Democracy
mises.org
>The Myth of National Defense: Essays on the Theory and History of Security Production
mises.org
>The Private Production of Defense
mises.org
>Economic Science and the Austrian Method
mises.org
>What Must Be Done
mises.org
Nice links
m o r e
ROTHBARD READING LIST:
Articles by Murray Rothbard:
>Big-Government Libertarians
archive.lewrockwell.com
>Race! That Murray Book
archive.lewrockwell.com
>More on LewRockwell.com
lewrockwell.com
Books:
>Man, Economy, and State with Power & Market
mises.org
>Anatomy of the State
mises.org
>Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature, and Other Essays
mises.org
>The Ethics of Liberty
mises.org
>What Has Government Done to Our Money?
mises.org
>America's Great Depression
mises.org
>For a New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto
mises.org
but user, Sup Forums is private property.
well, maybe it is owned by the FBI, but at least it pretends it's not.
>being a libertarian means you're against a private company making rules about their own products and services
lol no
Any more OC over the past 12 hours?
It was a facetious joke
I knew, but having to deal with retards constantly means that you are going to find people making this kind of questions seriously. Might as well answer anyways.
is the american libertarian party close to hoppe's ideas? is it even libertarian? are there any good libertarian politicians outside rand/ron paul?
The American libertarian party is pointless just like all third parties in the US. Anybody who really wants lower taxes votes Republican because of the Norquist pledge.
As far as I know the LP is the party of the failed republicans.
They try to advocate smaller government while trying to appeal to progressive young people. Hence their terrible results every election.
The only reason why they were even allowed into mainstream media the last election was because the establishment was this desperate to divide all the possible Trump voters as much as they could.
here is a pastebin for all the reading going forward
pastebin.com
also here is a /libright/ discord I just made
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o shit we got two threads up. whateves i'll post here.
Daily Reminder that this is Libertarian RIGHT General. Fuck the Allepo johnson faggots, left-libertarians and other cucky shit-libs.
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Well I guess this is the new stupid trendy shilling shit that you guys have been baited for, anarcho capitalism will never happen by nature. I think this is just the new less obvious way of being one those faggots that open up communism generals I guess and some idiots clearly have fallen for it.
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what does libs think of white power?
Fuck off faggot
tfw I'm proud and white, but think national socialism is and awful authoritarian welfare state.
For starters you would do much better with Mises Institute videos in youtube and other high quality yet easily absorbed information media. The books should always come later, except maybe for the shortest ones like Anatomy of the State.
Here are a few examples of Tom Woods, that guy is who swayed me to libertarianism.
youtube.com
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youtube.com
He's a really great orator and with his videos I came to the realization that the "the free market will fix everything" meme is actually real.
too many words in this god damn
make it short and simple so people get the message
Opinions on monarchy vs democracy?
thanks famalam, i'll put those in the pastebin for the next time, those are some pretty good videos
God no. They're all democrats in disguise because of "muh weed"
Both shitty but in different ways. Monarchy is like a right wing dictatorship but working better, democracy is Communism lite.
If you ask because you're starting Democracy by Hoppe, wait until you've gotten to the end. The whole Monachy vs Democracy thing is just a thought exercise to make you think more logically and erode current day prejudices.
>youtube.com
I wish he got more into the "manufacturing being outsourced" argument that people tend to bring up
bernie sanders
SMASH DEMOCRACY
Democracy is just a soft form of communism
No, the libertarian party is an embarrassment to true libertarians.
Can it be reformed?
True, the problem though is that people don't realize what is the reason why industries are leaving in the first place.
In the end there are no arguments for protectionism that don't stem out of ignorance. It's just a fact.
As a matter of fact, if you look up the history of the libertarian movement the creation of the LP was its nail in the coffin.
Ok thank you, and you guessed it correctly, reading Hoppes book
What is your opinion on Liberland then?
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>True, the problem though is that people don't realize what is the reason why industries are leaving in the first place.
>In the end there are no arguments for protectionism that don't stem out of ignorance. It's just a fact.
If we had no central bank and we had DEFLATION we would be seeing a lot more of the benefits of free trade.
The first country to end their central bank will have super high living standards because the rest of the world will be sending this country all of their products and services dirt cheap.
Massive service sector industries would pop up for people in this country to consume the products from the rest of the world.
gross
whats with hispanics and fart porn?
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dont mind me just dumping some stuff
>The first country to end their central bank will have super high living standards because...
Objection: The first country to end their central bank will be invaded by the US army and its population will be mercilessly massacrated until a puppet democracy is instored and ints central bank is working again.
Ending central banks is truly a dream, but this is something that won't happen as long as American military supremacy still exists.
It's interesting but I don't see it having any future. Though I would love seeing a Europe of hundreds of little micronations, and this is something I believe that will happen during our lifetimes.
What's our political strategy?
We have none.
>first country to end their central bank will be invaded by the US army and its population will be mercilessly massacrated until a puppet democracy is instored and ints central bank is working again.
True.
But people have to realize what a massive benefit getting rid of central banks would do for humanity.
People are so enslaved. Leftists literally believe central banks are great and without them the economy would collapse and we'd have horrible depressions.
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I don't know much about the inner workings of the party. But I have a dream where I run as a candidate and just shit on everything those faggots stand for. I hate their guts
Agorism and counter economics is one. It brought down many communist regimes in Eastern Europe. It's not a "political" strategy though.
FUCKING AGREED.
South Korea died when our greatest leader Park Chung Hee got assassinated.
And our democratic liberal have funded NK's nuke.
LET US PRIVATIZE OCEANS
>State's property so they're handled fucking terrible.
>States do not grow value of their resources.
>States exploit them to waste while keeping everyone outside of their monopoly.
Now with privatization we have good incentives to take care of them and make them better.
US deficit /3
ok educate me on this one :
1- in a ancap society how it would be possible to prevent cartels,monopolys and other shit like that ?
2- if a person is born unable to work, is he doomed ?
3- roads, i know this seems like a meme. lets say companies create roads, will they hold the right over those roads? impeding the competition to use them ?
those are my doubts, please clarify them to me guys.
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>1- in a ancap society how it would be possible to prevent cartels,monopolys and other shit like that ?
>monopolies
>free market
anti trust laws are completely useless bullshit
hero/4
We need to make a bunch of infographics.
We need one on monopolies. I'm tired of debunking this shit.
Why haven't we made detailed infographics yet?
>if a person is born unable to work, is he doomed?
Not nessesarily, but he does need charity. Our ideal system wont "save" him, people will.
>But people have to realize what a massive benefit getting rid of central banks would do for humanity.
Not necessarily so. People don't really need to realize anything for political change to happen. There's this common thought bias everyone has in Western countries that events in history happen because "the people wanted to", which is just a bogus identification of the people with their political systems.
What I'm trying to say that central banking will fail not because "the people" gets tired of it. Most people are fucking idiots and don't know what central banking even is. Central banking will fail because it simply does not work and there is a massive incentive for someone to find a way to replace it with something better.
Incentives, technology and other real world factors are what drive political change, not popular mood swings and the wishful thinking of elites. We are in one of those times in history in which the elites in charge are complete idiots without the slightest fucking idea what they are doing and with ridiculous pretensions like one world government and other retarded pipe dreams. It's a time of change.
its a project im working on, but im also working on a hundred other things for the thread. If you come up with the text part I can put it into photoshop and sell it.
>What I'm trying to say that central banking will fail not because "the people" gets tired of it. Most people are fucking idiots and don't know what central banking even is.
That's why we need to educate people.
so you mean that monopolies in the free market are impossible to happen ? ok, what about cartels ? the biggest of all companies in the same sect join forces to make the game harder for the smaller ones. how can you solve this problem ?
I propose one explaining the "physical removal" thing to edgy fags that think this is some form of advocacy for violence.
What I was trying to say is that it doesn't really matter.
i see so a possible solution is ONGs or some shit oriented as a profiteable source. im ok with that.
>the biggest of all companies in the same sect join forces to make the game harder for the smaller ones.
lmao all it takes is for one of these companies to break the cartel by lowering their prices and this company will take almost all of the market share away from the other companies, the temptation to do this is too great.
ALSO all it takes is for 1 company to pop up and fuck the cartel.
It creates a HUGE juicy profit opportunity for any company to come along and provide lower prices, they would take ALL of the market share away from these large firms.
there are countless examples of these things happening in the 1800s.
Don't cuck my shit up. Have you read democracy yet. Your partially correct that's it doesn't mean genocide, but it can imply use of force for discrimination purposes.
>I propose one explaining the "physical removal" thing to edgy fags that think this is some form of advocacy for violence.
It's not?
:^)
And not to mention his/her own family would most likely take care.
He prefers selling drugs to rebel against the state, and I'm tired of that hippy bullshit.
so trusts, cartels and monopolies are just possible because of the state and its intervention ? I mean, some of this movements are visible in "simulated" envyronments like bitcoin and altcoin trading sites. People often do "pump and dump" do manipulate prices and profit from the people that buy on the high prices. There is no government in there to make them stop. this is on a small scale, imagine what would happen in a large scale the ammount of misery such inorganic movements on the economy would produce.
>democratic liberals funded north koreas nukes
thats the shit they invented guillotines for
>so trusts, cartels and monopolies are just possible because of the state and its intervention ?
Yes.
>People often do "pump and dump" do manipulate prices and profit from the people that buy on the high prices.
Doesn't mean they're a cartel or monopoly.
>this is on a small scale, imagine what would happen in a large scale
It literally only happens on a small scale because scams like this would get quickly rooted out in the market.
Pump and dump is a meme. Speculation actually stabilizes the price of a commodity (reduces its volatility).
This is economics 101 senpai
>everyone stopped posting
Is this how the general of freedom dies?
I'm still here. I'm the guard dog of this thread and I keep a watchful eye out for shills of all kinds, and other subversions trying to corrupt my open minded lrg Bros. I just don't have any new content to shill so I stay quite
Link expired, gib new one
I've actually noticed that these generals have been getting more and more popular lately than they have in the past. On the other hand, perhaps.
got you famalam
I want to talk about public school - specifically what could replace its function of (ostensibly) detecting cases of child abuse/neglect?
Private and distance learning options are voluntary, so nothing would prevent some nutcase from abusing their kids in seclusion. But any solution i can think of would be even more invasive than public schooling. Would we just count these fringe cases as acceptable losses, or is there anything that could be done in a hypothetical post-public society?
Yeah, monopolies are possible ONLY due to state intervention.
Why there can't be any monopolies in free market:
1) investopedia.com
2) moneyterms.co.uk
3) en.wikipedia.org
Daily reminder, you're not a libertarian if you don't support building a space elevator and ending taxation with all the money we can save from selling energy from space-based solar arrays.
>You are not a libertarian if you don't support massive government spending in some bullshit that we are not sure whether they will fuck up or even work.
If space elevator was such a great idea private enterprise would already gotten its hands on it.
>space based solar arrays
SOLAR FREAKING ROADWAYS
most of us have jobs, which is why we hold our views in the first place
You guys don't actually think pinochet was a good ruler do you?
As far as totalitarian military dictators go, he's pretty alright. 9/10
He was OK, not really right-wing though. He saved Chile from red plague, that's about it. His economic policies were moderate-right at best, because major piece of big business was still under government control, there was universal healthcare, minimum wage and shit.
They don't have the ability to borrow a few hundred billion dollars, and they don't have the military to protect it.
Contrary to what the ancaps say, states do have comparative advantages in some areas, and your capital stock will grow faster by building those projects than demanding "muh free market" when you can verify that the return on investment is lower.
I had a conversation with one of my "Christian" friends today, a lady who's a good 10 years older than me. She said she likes socialism because, well, she didn't really list any concrete reasons other than that she thinks there are some people who are too greedy.
Bitch needs to learn the ten commandments. What ever happened to "thou shalt not steal"? It's not wonder both of her children have stolen shit so many times, she says the idea of stealing repels her and she doesn't understand why anyone would do it, yet she supports mass stealing "Because some people are greedy". She thinks the bible speaks in support of socialism. It's disgusting. So many supposed Christians who don't even read the bible, and preach the opposite of that Jesus preached. Make no mistake, you cannot be a socialist AND be practicing a Christian. Fuck commies.
>She thinks the bible speaks in support of socialism
But it's completely the opposite. The Bible preaches to be humble and obey the higher ups, while socialism is about permanent revolution and freedom(according to socialists, ofc). Wtf, she has never read a book on socialism?
>If space elevator was such a great idea private enterprise would already gotten its hands on it.
bullshit
they CAN'T because of government controls and inflation.
If the price of capital goods was cheap like it would be under a free market, a space elevator would be economically viable.
Could you redpill me on Christianity as it pertains to libertarianism? I am also under the impression that Christ espouses some fairly Lefty ideas.
Shuouldn't you just mention that those who are begging for the state handouts are actually the real greedy people who want to take the fruits of someone else's labor?
>TFW the CAPTCHA was roads
A lot of the new testament can be viewed as supporting socialism, actually. Jesus talks about clothing and feeding the poor, and the early Christians pooled resources. The big distinction imo is that charity is voluntary
Any Illinois anons here?
I've been thinking of trying to get a movement to elect a Libertarian candidate for governor in '18. I think it could be done easily just by running on a platform of anti-corruption; both parties have shown themselves to be unrepentant in their corruption and Illinois faces some of the highest taxes just to fund their graft.
Would appreciate any other Illinois anons showing interest.
What do you guys think of Stefan Molyneux? He barely differs from Hoppe.
>hates the state
>redpilled on IQ
>wants whites to have more kids
>against migration
>advocating for homogeneous countries
Hoppe would never be faggot enough to shill for someone like Trump as much as Molyneux did (although the chance that Trump could have been good was there but he barely got anything done yet so Molyneux just wasted his energy anyway), but when it comes to the basics they are almost the same.
Your links didn't prove shit..
>Diseconomies of scale
Those with the resources to spend on finding a solution to a problem will be the benefactors of said solution
>Pareto-optimal
In a free market, no one is made "worse off" because all agreements are consensual. There are many cases where a consensual deal can be struck but one party is fiscally worse off for it, even if they do not realize it.
>Nash Equilibrium
You're assuming all parties will have equal resources and equal opportunities.
Well, yes, in the hypothetical case the economy wasn't as fucked as it is today (which most people don't even recognize) private enterprise would already have taken on it. This was kinda implicit in my post.
I even unironically believe that without a parasitical entity like the state we would already have (private) colonies in Mars.