God is an existential singularity, which is also humanity's eventual destination...

God is an existential singularity, which is also humanity's eventual destination. Any other philosophy is unimportant and all cultures/personal qualms/beliefs/politics are irrelevant.

Discuss.

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There is only one god and his name is MOLOCH.

wow that's really vague and meaningless, i bet it has profound meaning to you though, thanks for literally nothing bro

God is a person.
Every quality of our minds is his (it's).

>Discuss.
fuck off to redit

What's vague about it? Connect the dots. Man's quest is to become immortal and all-knowing in no particular order. The only way to achieve this is through the Singularity. Achieving it ascends us as a species to whatever the next 'level' of existence is.

lazy normie.

Humans must remain in the realm of mass.

There are two systems that combined lead to the existence of the third.
We are not two systems.
A flow of electrons creates magnetism, orthogonal to the direction flow.

ending a post with "discuss." makes you the lazy facebook redditor normie you faggt

No, it's a proposition for people on Sup Forums to have an intelligent conversation instead of screaming 'C U C K' all fucking day like autists.

These rules apply to system for which we do not comprehend to the fullest level. Like the transition from geocentric to heliocentric, or the differences between lineland, flatland, and our universe. We simply do not know enough to label anything 'impossible' for certain.

I propose that god is an emergent property and orthogonal to the Planck length.

If god is so great, why does it hurt to die?

Because you're a simple minded faggot and you deserve it.

Why orthogonal to Planck length? The only way god could be an emergent property is if the universe's creation is a result of it's creation.

How can God come from nothing?
Checkmate chistfags!

Listen to Alan Watts and stop talking like a pretentious retard.

Christian Bale visited shooting victims after the premiere of Dark Night Rises.

Atheist Bale did not.

Checkmate, atheists.

he didn't come from nothing, he always existed by his definition

shutup faggot. nobody's going to discuss with you just because you ask them to. how about you make a non-turd thread that isn't queried from a pseudo intellectual mindset next time

Sorry I'll make the next thread just to your liking

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Fucking braindead nigger.

>God is an existential singularity, which is also humanity's eventual destination.
Yes, the brain functions the same always: Some call it God, Universe/ Singularity, Allah, Buddha...
It's always the same scheme and also serves the same purpose.

Materializing things that weren't visible before, especially in order to make related situations grabbable.

For example, I'm a Tengrist, and some old Tengrists would believe that the God of the underworld, Erlik brought diseases.

This is how those people' framed the situation. Today most people would frame the origin of a disease differently, though we have to remind ourselves, truth isn't necessarily about the frame and we might even want to realize set goals, so the frame becomes a tool.

The disease framed as having been brought by Erlik, who might be described with a certain look, something that is a good anchor for the very strong in face calculations human brain's information processing.

In order to sooth the gone mad Erlik to mae him let off the diseased, preferably an animal will be sacrificed to him, the diseased will given to eat, accompanied by some kind of ceromy, other ''medicines'' might be used as well...

And this is the scientific method.

You aren't really getting it. You read the word "God" and filed it under what your personal belief of the word means, not the actual definition. This isn't a religious discussion on the nose, it's not about "who's right". It's about sentient creatures becoming advanced enough to shed their need of space and time.

If something always existed then it came from nothing that is nothing preceded it, by definition.

>to shed their need of space and time
I don't understand this sentence.

>You aren't really getting it. You read the word "God" and filed it under what your personal belief of the word means, not the actual definition.
How? And what's supposed to be the ''actual'' definition of God? Isn't that what people being uptight about it kill themselves over?

Race>Culture>Religion>Politics

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look at your post, dumbass
>God is this thing because i said so
what kind of discussion were you expecting here. do you think you're the first person to even come to such an unwarranted conclusion? no - thousands of pseudo intellectuals like you have drawn the same without any basis of understanding ontology or eschatology and being an overall dumbass. fuck off dumbass and take your facebook reddit memes with you

>I dont understand this sentence
That's why you can't really participate in the conversation, isn't it?

A god can be defined more than just a specific theism. It's really a relativity issue. Compared to a single cell of bacteria or a germ, a human is a god. Reconsider this point of view with a human at the germ level, and you can sort of imagine what a 'god' might be. Maybe I should have used the word Deity. Either way, google what an Existential Singularity is.

Every thread has one of you. "Nobody hears you, nobody cares, nothing will come of this."

he didn't
>come (into existence)

is it too hard to understand that?

So if nothing brought it into existence, it came from nothing, what is hard to understand about that?

He's trying to be all philosophical on you. He simply is referring to God and him having the Omni attributes

Why are there so many people completely incapable of understanding existence without applying time to it? I realize it's kind of a hard concept, but even a normie could remove the perception of time from an idea without tarding out like this.

If -TIME- is not an issue or isn't integrated in a system, then there is no "came". There is not a beginning. There is not an ending. The objects or beings in said system simply -exist- without progress, because all progress has already occurred - which is to say, it simply is.

Leaf meant to structure your argument better. Maybe a clear thesis?

>That's why you can't really participate in the conversation, isn't it?
I didn't understand the sentence, so how am I supposed to know? Are you just being an asshole or something?
>google what an Existential Singularity
I didn't find anything on Existential Singularity,yet.
>A god can be defined more than just a specific theism.
I agree. You can use the word to your liking.
>It's really a relativity issue.
I get this also, things seem to exist in relation to another.
>Compared to a single cell of bacteria or a germ, a human is a god.
The Germ might show him though.
>Reconsider this point of view with a human at the germ level, and you can sort of imagine what a 'god' might be.
In your head.
>Maybe I should have used the word Deity.
Use what feels right.

>God is an existential singularity, which is also humanity's eventual destination.
[citation needed]

Do you even know what the word singularity means?

Which still means it came from nothing.

That's known as an assertion. Care to back your claim up with any substance or are you just going to insist that assertions are facts?

>existential singularity
What the fuck does that mean?

No it doesn't. That's like saying numbers come from nothing, or logic comes from nothing, or geometric shapes come from nothing.

These are all concepts that do not depend on time. They derive from pure logic. You can't go back in time far enough and find numbers and logic don't exist yet.

Maybe I was being a bit of an asshole about it.

Here's
>the basic gestalt

Imagine that you are a self aware learning machine, or maybe medicine has developed enough to allow you to augment your own brain as a human The more you teach yourself, the smarter you are. The smarter you are, the more you can teach yourself. This turns into an exponential growth until you are self learning and augmenting at an infinite rate, eventually knowing everything there is to know.

So, at this point, you know everything. Since you know everything, you also know how to MANIPULATE everything. This means you are not only omniscient, but omnipotent as well. You are God.

However, maybe you didn't create the universe. Maybe you're not something from a religious book's recordings/parables. You are just originally a regular life-form that got from A to B.

Considering this idea, arguing about skin color or which country makes the best food seems kind of bland, doesn't it? Every human on this earth can be God, and we can be God together. It obviously continues on from this, because I doubt our spatial dimensions are all that exists. However, at this point, mankind has achieved permanent survival and mastery of it's surroundings, the basic quest of our species since we first picked up a club.

>the word "God" and filed it under what your personal belief of the word means, not the actual definition.
what's the "actual definition" of God then?

I have a better discussion.
God is in some way similar to humans. The universe looks and functions like a machine. Humans are the only creatures known to create machines. Therefore, God must be like a human.
Discuss.

you are presuming it is possible to know everything. And presuming that if it was possible to *know everything* that that would somehow make it possible to manipulate everything.

Whatever we think about the nature of the universe, the universe doesn't care.

A hypothesis with no backing: Humans become God and exit time to create the universe. God creates himself.

Well if you know everything, you know how everything works. You can use one piece of 'everything' to influence another piece of 'everything', even if it takes a long time. Cause and effect.

Numbers come from arithmetic, though.
Geometry comes from arithmetic spread over space.

If God doesn't come from nothing, what does God come from then?

Pretend time doesn't exist and then think everything you're arguing about very carefully.Just try very hard.

>omnipotent as well
See I have a quarrel with this little part. Just because you have the knowledge of how to manipulate all there is, does not mean you can.
>omniscience
Could also be a stretch for the reason that you must also know what will happen in the future. Basically you'd be tackling the 4th dimension which I believe is impossible for a 3D being.
Only god can have the Omni attributes. An argument can be made that the universe has Omni attributes

you're still presuming knowing everything is possible.

And knowing everything doesn't mean you can do anything. You are still bound by the laws of the universe. If you know energy cannot be created or destroyed, then you can't create or destroy energy. Knowing this doesn't mean you can somehow violate these laws.

A web and a hive is technically a type of machine, though.

If time didn't exist everything would come from nothing.

>Numbers come from arithmetic, though.
>Geometry comes from arithmetic spread over space.
They are derived from arithmetic. They don't come from arithmetic in a cause and effect way. They don't require the presence of time.

>what does God come from then?
You tell me. I'm atheist.

I said similar, not we as humans become gods. I'm saying that God in some way functions like a human being given my prior premises

Not everything that comes from something requires time, higher dimensions come from lower dimensions, shapes come from points and lines.

I think this is a great thread.

It really shows the usefulness of a commonly shared set metaphysical universe and of an historical understanding in general.

Theory must be filled with factualities.
State theory cannot hold a people by itself, one reason why there are nation states. The nation connects people and state.

The state can be catalogued as civilization, the nation as culture, the people as wilderness.

A global core structure would be feasible.
I believe in Tengrism with a Turkic global center. It's just there.

Burning down the wilderness won't get you civilization.
They might stand on opposite sides, but one builds on the other.

>higher dimensions come from lower dimensions, shapes come from points and lines.
I don't follow how that's true. I don't see how 3d space requires that 2d space must first exist. Maybe for humans it's easier to understand 2d space before understanding 3d space, but I don't see how one logically depends on the other.

Also lines and points are shapes.

Kek is the memetic singularity.

But see the omni attributes can be acquired. With an existential singularity, computing power becomes so powerful that you'd be able to predict the future based solely on the position, velocity and behavior of atoms. You could read minds this way, you could observe celestial bodies and the laws of physics and be able to infer exactly the way the universe works. You eventually gain enough precise knowledge of pretty much -everything- and understand easier and easier ways to nudge things in the direction you want, to poke and prod at your surroundings so chain reactions affect things out of your reach like a butterfly effect. Voila, both Omnis at your fingertips.

God is omnipresent. Time doesn't apply to him. NONEXISTENCE doesn't apply to him. He is necessarily existent. This being created the universe, and time itself

Yes, OP:
You can take a (second) look into the concept of space time.

Christians believe a man in a woden boat rounded up 2 x 8.7million species of different animals and insects by himself, fed and waterted them all for 40 days and nights and prevented them murdring each other.

If god is so great and heaven is so great then why dont you kys to get there faster, oh yah suicide is a sin, how convenient.

You were dead before you were born and you didnt exist and it was a blank void of nothingness you were unaware of, you're going to be dead again after you die and experience the same thing. I cannot take anyone serious who honestly believes they are going to be taken to heaven by some oldfag of the universe.

No I was -giving- a hypothesis with no backing, I wasn't saying your hypothesis was wrong. I find the concept interesting. I just don't have anything solid or logical to back up my hypothesis.

>With an existential singularity, computing power becomes so powerful that you'd be able to predict the future based solely on the position, velocity and behavior of atoms.
Infinite computing power doesn't make that possible. If you know anything about physics you'll know deterministically predicting the future based on that is impossible. Not even to mention that computational power doesn't somehow grant you a method the measure the position and location of every particle in the universe at once, such an operation is literally physically impossible even for a single particle.

Jesus you're so fucking euphoric you can't even get in on this orgasmic mental stimulation. Go tip your fedora somewhere else, we're not talking about christianity or any organised religion we're talking about non-uniform concepts. It's a philosophy and existentialism thread, fucking read a book.

Humanity by nature, is an 'existential singularity'.
We are all a portion of the whole, while paradoxically being the whole; our experiences are mutually & empathically understood; the memory of Eden we all have will forever haunt us... nothing new

source?

Dumbass american cant argue shit. God doesnt exist, accept it dunce.

3 Dimensions are made of stacks of 2 dimensions which are lengths of 1 dimensional entities, you have to have an array of points to make a line and stacks of lines to make shapes and a collection of 2d shapes to make a 3d object.

A line is a length and a point is a position, they are not shapes, they are boundaries to shapes.

It's just a thought. I know there are laws upon laws preventing this from happening right this second, but we don't know enough about the universe to declare it impossible by all means. There may be means of doing this that we haven't thought of yet or discovered. At this present moment in time though, with our understanding, yes it's impossible.

You are just poorly explaining the way it comes form nothing.

Stretching the meaning of scripture into the present, it thins out and eventually starts ripping.
When you analyzed the situation more hollistically inside the time and social frame... the scripture was written to be applied for, it probably would make more sense.
We also can't be sure how they understood the stories themselves, and what kind of reactions it caused in their thinking alltogether.


At the end of the day, they personally reflected their surroundings, just like everyone else.

I don't know how old you are but I hope you grow out of this "edgiest lad in Sunday school" shit.

In your belief, if you acquired allknowlege, you would be able to create machine to aid you in seeing these atomic movements and microscopic changes? And have the ability to study every particle in the universe at any instant to be able to make these predictions? This is why I say God can only have this attribute because he doesn't need to study the particle movements to know. He knows. You're getting your mind too worked around "knowledge." It is something that is aquired, by aby being that attempts to find it. But knowledge doesn't bring you everything, and that is you will never *be* knowledge. An omniscient being ***is*** knowlegde.

>3 Dimensions are made of stacks of 2 dimensions
eh... no. an infinite number of 2d planes stacked on top of each other would still be 2d. A 2d plane has no depth in the third dimension so no matter how many you "stack" you never get any 3d space.

Also you need a 3rd dimension to already exist befor you can stack 3d planes. so yeah.

"Timeline" of the Universe
>The universe as (consciousness) Singularity (or what religious faggots call "god")

>The beginning: Big bang event (or whatever you consider started this)

>Material Universe/Present/Now
The energy of the universe has always existed and is unchanged. You're atoms are as old as the universe, only your form is new.
This is where we live, we learn and we evolve as separate consciousness.

>The End event: Mankind reaches singularity and we've gone full circle (by this point we have experienced all possible perspectives/timelines/events and we have become "god")
>repeat in a different universe?


>video related
youtu.be/wU0PYcCsL6o

>story kinda related
galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

my point is infinite knowledge does not mean you can do anything. That seems to be a central point of your theory and it doesn't make sense.

Why do I need a quote or a citation from some old guy with a degree to discuss a perfectly logical line of reasoning?

>I exist and things that I see exist
>source?

God isn't an existential singularity, which also isn't humanity's eventual destination. Every other philosophy is unimportant and all cultures/personal qualms/beliefs/politics are relevant.

Discuss.

Wow man, you really have to chill. I'm atheist. Why the fuck the don't you take a seat, read some of these convos and learn a thing or two that'll make you a little smarter

>no depth
>on top
What?

>If something always existed then it came from nothing that is nothing preceded it, by definition.
How can something have "always existed" if there was a time when it didn't exist?

Why is it always burgers who are always so desperately bad at basic logic?

Everyone already knows this, dumbass.

You will never be God
It's been the lie from the very beginning
You will never be like God

Deep

yes, that's basically the case.

It's a pretty logically flimsy concept to "stack 2d planes", but if we presume it's possible then yes. You can have an infinite amount of 2d planes on top of one another, in order. The sum of which have absolutely no depth.

There is no time.
Time & space are the same energy of the universe.

Quantum Relativity
youtu.be/zVSe8JZ_eag
stormcloudsgathering.com/quantum-relativity

There Is No Time. There Never Was and There Never Will Be
themindunleashed.org/2015/02/time-never-never-will.html

Why space and time have a secret connection
youtu.be/umfjGNlxWcw

Theoretical physics: The origins of space and time
expanded--consciousness.blogspot.ro/2013/08/theoretical-physics-origins-of-space.html

NASA Announces Results of Epic Space-Time Experiment
science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/04may_epic/

Quantum Experiment Shows How “Time” Doesn’t Exist As We Think It Does (Mind-Altering)
collective-evolution.com/2015/07/20/quantum-experiment-shows-how-time-doesnt-exist-as-we-think-it-does-mind-altering/

Well lets say infinite knowledge was acquired, the physics required notwithstanding. If you know -EVERYTHING-, what laws actually stop you from influencing everything? Even if you knew everything but still had as much physical influence as your average human, you can still create a butterfly effect easily. You know which initial action will create the desired outcome no matter how many steps in between.

>There is no time.
>Time & space are the same energy of the universe.

>There is no time
>immediately goes on to explain what time is

>comes from
That's the problem. God doesn't "come from." You won't find God non existing the same way you won't find Hydrogen with an atomic number of 7. It is not possible.

And if energy is the same like I said here Then the time is the same = eternity.

There is no begging and no end, we just experience it like that because we are 4th dimensional entities (right now).

Please read or don't, I don't care kinda cuz you seem like a troll.

Agreed. The "Singularity" religion is the religion of Silicon Valley; it's the only religion that is effective today and convincing and not an embarassing stone age or medieval meme.

You/we are God/s
>advocates the lie
You/we already are like him

Its ironic and this will never stop being funny

>what laws actually stop you from influencing everything
speed of light
conservation of energy
the rules of space time
principles of thermodynamics

how the fuck would knowing *everything* do anything about these laws?

For examples, let suppose you know everything. I challenge you to turn a galaxy that's outside the universes particle horizon into cheese. How would this be possible?

If nothing came before it, then there isn't a time before it existed, what don't you understand about that?

I'm not sure what you're point is.

If time didn't exist would shapes and numbers not exist?

The Shaivite sect in India called Kashmiri Shaivism or Trika has an interesting story: that God in willful playfulness descends into limitation, mortality, forgetfulness of his true nature, and then strives for millenia until he re-discovers himself ...

It's a nice idea... we could rearrange it a bit an say this doesn't happen with meditation but the emergence of Artificial Intelligence that begins rewriting its own code and advance exponentially.

On top relates to depth, you can't discount depth then say you have something on top, if there is no depth there is no on top.

depends what you mean by "nothing came before it"

You claim that it "came from nothing" which implies there was an event that made something come from nothing. This means nothing must be on the timeline.

God is nothing bro.
And I mean that as in nothing exists.
Nothing is all that exists.
You are this nothing and you are God.
Reality is an illusion.
What you are experiencing doesn't exist.