We can build an Orbital Ring Space Elevator today, using steel and kevlar. The Orbital Ring goes to low earth orbit, so it does not need advanced materials. youtube.com/watch?v=0qezLhypA0Y
Why build the Orbital Ring? It would cut our costs of going to orbit from about $2000/kg to about $1/kg. There are individual asteroids that have tens of trillions of dollars in materials on them that could be mined. One mission could easily pay for the cost of building the Orbital Ring.
We could then deploy solar power satellites in orbit above cloud cover and return the power back to the surface with near zero loss by running power transmission cables down the elevator, and sell the power at a profit.
With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time.
In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter.
In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.
What's so funny about cheap energy, massive economic growth, solving climate change, and being able to cut taxes to 0?
Or do you just hate America, girls with big titties, and freedom?
Ethan Cooper
Geostationary orbit is approximately 26,000 miles away. This is how high you will have to build the space elevator.
Even shipping power that far through transmission lines is impossible, unless they are superconducting. Doing a rough calculation, you'll have roughly 5.5% of your power left after shipping it that far (you lose 1.1% per 100 miles)
And remember this is super high voltage AC current. So you'll have to convert all that DC solar energy to AC, then step it up to super high voltages through transformers. Every one of these steps has a huge loss associated with it. And of course you need to step the voltage DOWN again at the bottom.
It's not an efficient way to generate electricity. Asteroid mining is interesting, but mining stuff on Earth is still much cheaper
Brody Butler
Will muslims be allowed?
Gabriel Martin
Humanity is in the weirdest phase right now. There are totally plausible arguments for how there are going to be wonderous technological Utopias in 50 years, and there are totally plausible arguments for how billions are going to die horribly within 50 years.
They're probably both true. The Big Split. Rich people have never given less of a fuck about poor people.
Grayson Parker
It's not going to be a utopia. It's going to be replacement of humans with machines
This is where we're headed
Nathaniel Rivera
>build orbital elevator >about to begin a new era of civilization, expanding upwards at an exponential rate >great scientific discoveries are made as large quantities of equipment are efficiently shipped into space >Muhammad al Akbar blows a huge fucking hole in it
Face it, if the human waste isn't taken care of we won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
Jose Young
Sounds like utopia to me. Machines serving the humans. Unless you're poor and you need one of those "jobs". Then it would suck.
Ethan Allen
>Geostationary orbit is approximately 26,000 miles away. This is how high you will have to build the space elevator.
You can build it to low earth, and then launch rockets from there. Or even use the orbital ring like launch loop to send things into higher orbits.
>Even shipping power that far through transmission lines is impossible
We have transmission lines that go a lot longer than 300km.
>Asteroid mining is interesting, but mining stuff on Earth is still much cheaper
Not rare earth minerals. A single mission could easily bring tens of trillions of dollars in minerals.
Chase Rogers
We will need literally millions of new workers to implement this plan. And it would create hundreds of millions of new jobs worldwide with the cheaper power.
Oh, and wages would start rising by double digit every year. So, basically Bernie Sanders plan would be implemented without even having to pass a bill.
Aiden Flores
No, more like humans upgrading themselves to eventually become machines
Cranial implants that grant perfect memory, telepathic communication, 1000 IQ's. How can regular humans even compete? Biological and mechanical body modifications that grant you Herculean strength beyond any olympic athlete
Let's not even talk about designer babies and self-evolving AI
Austin Wright
Akhmeds are pretty easy to defend against. Infrantry to secure the base and some basic screening.
Bentley Stewart
Cool Muslims, yes. Terrorists, no.
Asher Anderson
>A single mission could easily bring tens of trillions of dollars in minerals. You are, unsurprisingly, completely economically illiterate. Bringing back "trillions of dollars" of rare earths would cause a glut and the price of rare earths would plummet. By the time it made it to earth it would no longer be worth trillions.
Levi Gutierrez
This.
The poor will be slaughtered, the rich will develop their NWO. This has been the plan.
Brandon Robinson
>Bringing back "trillions of dollars" of rare earths would cause a glut and the price of rare earths would plummet.
What if they're being used in the solar satellites you're building? And what if you have a near monopoly on something? Ask someone in the diamond industry if you can support a price when there's a glut of a resource.
Even if we didn't make money off of it, it would create an abundance of these materials. i.e. we would live in physical abundance in terms of our every day life. This is no different from living in the late 1800s when we had robust economic growth with deflation (i.e. your money is becoming more and more valuable).
Jaxon Baker
its impossible to build a space elevator with our current technology
Evan Reyes
>the rich will develop their NWO.
They already have their NWO plan, and they've been running it for centuries. Slavery, the Federal Reserve, endless wars. This kind of project is how you supplant the oligarchy. Same thing the Founders wanted to do.
A space elevator to geosynchronous, no. The Orbital Ring doesn't require the long tethers. We've been able to do it for decades.
Jonathan Jenkins
how does it stay in orbit then?
Oliver Lewis
Man... why the fuck is no one funding this shit? We need it and we need it now!
Alexander Taylor
The motion of the ring provides tension on the tethers.
Cooper Edwards
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Liam Cox
Seems like this isn't going to work. How do you engineer this?
each of those tethers is going to be pulling down with tremendous force, all of which must be supported by the ring. Furthermore the tethers must slide so the ring can move. And you have to compensate for friction which drags the tethers off the verticle
Daniel Diaz
answer is the same as usual because jews
Andrew Sanders
Too busy keeping niggers alive in the third world.
John Martin
>pushing the space Jew Fuck off faggot nigger
Angel Richardson
because it sounds great on paper where you can just ignore all the shortcomings but in practice is fucking retarded
Brody Bennett
>. How do you engineer this?
Can you be more specific?
>each of those tethers is going to be pulling down with tremendous force, all of which must be supported by the ring.
The tethers basically just support themselves. The ring essentially stays up by electromagnetism, muchlike a Maglev train. So the tethers don't have to support their weight.
Noah Diaz
this guy gets it
So many spectacular ideas fail because of the details. Actually engineering something in the real world runs into tons of problems people don't consider
Mason Watson
Best way to keep niggers alive is to sell them cheap power, and let them desalinate water or grow food indoors cheaply. Don't have to keep bailing them out with food.
Owen Young
So what you're saying is pic related?
David Sullivan
>The ring essentially stays up by electromagnetism, muchlike a Maglev train.
Camden Lee
Yeah nice try OP, we all know what your endgame is
Aiden Brown
I'd just cut all funding and let them fend for themselves.
Parker White
>So many spectacular ideas fail because of the details. Actually engineering something in the real world runs into tons of problems people don't consider
That's a vague objection. It's like saying railroads can't work because it's too big. It's entirely emotional, not rational.
Go do some homework and come back when you can articulate something coherent that would make it not work.
Grayson Carter
>can articulate something coherent that would make it not work. Material requirement.
How you gonna mine all that shit to build it.
Zachary Garcia
It's called a dynamic structure. It's not a goofy idea, or "magic." It's something you can observe yourself with one of those floppy inflatable dancing guys at a used car lot.
Christian Cooper
hieroglyph.asu.edu/project/the-tall-tower/ have you heard of the very tall tower, partly neal stephenson's idea? could apparently be built with high grade steel available today
Brody Reyes
Even better, you can make money off of them! And help them fend for themselves!
Joseph Green
>It's something you can observe yourself with one of those floppy inflatable dancing guys at a used car lot.
So we just need a big ass fan to blow under it.
Jeremiah Bell
Same place you mine the steel for the 100 story skyscrapers we have.
Camden Long
>Even better, you can make money off of them! Make money off poor third world people who eat mud.
Yea.
Connor Howard
The problem is the structure has to support its own weight from the bottom. With the orbital ring, there is tension in the tethers from the ring. Much, much easier to build, although a launch tower is still a good (albeit inferior) idea.
Cooper Cooper
All the skyscrapers in the world wouldn't be enough circle the globe.
Brayden Sanders
Agreed, the abundance of a rare material, such as platinum, would make entirely new technologies and designs possible, as well as allowing global production to focus on other resources.
Eli Williams
I hear third world dictators have cash. And I hear they might like to pay for electricity to build projects that make them more money, thus making them even richer.
Jackson Brooks
I did, right here: If these tethers are not beyond geostationary orbit, that means centrifugal forces are not countering their weight. Which means they will be very VERY heavy.
And since the ring must move, they must all slide along the ring smoothly.
How is this ring going to stay perfectly circular when certain key points of it have a 2000 ton force yanking on them?
Gavin Richardson
Did you read anything to understand how wide the structure is?
For example, what if it was a nanometer across. Could you build it then? It's better if you learn something before you speak, because you'll say things that are really stupid if you think for 10 seconds.
Michael Murphy
Only reason they have cash is we give it to them.
Your logic is about as circular as your retarded ring.
Angel Sanders
Furthermore, a satellite in low earth orbit (100 miles up) will move at around 18,000 miles per hour. Sliding along the tether
How do you even step onto the ring from the tether?
Thomas Reyes
Not gunna happen faggot Just relax and live your life like it's 2003 until there is a significant life altering advancement Don't be such a fucking pleb
Easton Murphy
>If these tethers are not beyond geostationary orbit, that means centrifugal forces are not countering their weight. Which means they will be very VERY heavy.
Already explained. The ring provides the tension. Thus your conclusion is wrong. Stop assuming that glaringly obvious problems haven't been thought of by ideas with peer-reviewed research stating they are feasible.
Kayden Cruz
Really, so the entire budget of every 3rd world nation on earth is composed of US foreign aid? Kill yourself, shill.
Colton Robinson
Muh fishing string around the world will make us rich with asstroids.
Satellites wont be crashing into it, nor will all the space junk, or space rocks.
Allahu ackbar wont blow up the tether points.
Idiots wont fly planes into it.
We're halo nao.
Hudson Foster
>Furthermore, a satellite in low earth orbit (100 miles up) will move at around 18,000 miles per hour. Sliding along the tether
I'm sorry, what do you mean here?
Jaxon Rivera
>Humanity is in the weirdest phase right now. There are totally plausible arguments for how there are going to be wonderous technological Utopias in 50 years, and there are totally plausible arguments for how billions are going to die horribly within 50 years. That's because, as cliche as it sounds, Humanity is a very unique type of animal. We can go to war and decimate a country, but then once it's all over, we'll start a huge relief effort to help the locals, repair their cities, and overall help them back on their feet.
A capacity for great peace, love, and compassion, as well as great violence, hate, and destruction.
James Cox
>Muh fishing string around the world will make us rich with asstroids.
Muh luddites means economics doesn't exist!
>Satellites wont be crashing into it,
Do satellites crash into each other? What about the international space station? It's almost like satellites are in an orbit you can track...
>nor will all the space junk, or space rocks.
Legitimate concern. Thankfully there's a viable solution already in place on naval vessels.
Come on, you know there was a stand down order on 9/11. They could have shot those planes down easily, and anywhere near a tether is getting sent to Allah.
Carson Lewis
In order to maintain it's orbit, a satellite in low Earth orbit must move at 18,000 miles per hour. Completing an orbit in around 90 minutes.
So that ring needs to be going even faster than that in order to counter the weight of the tethers.
Meanwhile the tethers will remain stationary. So they must slide along the ring at 18,000 mph. Let's say you're on the tether. How do you step onto the ring?
Asher Bennett
>The problem is the structure has to support its own weight from the bottom
"(F)ast-moving pellets are projected upward from the bottom of the tower and redirected back down once they reach the top, so that the force of redirection holds the top of the tower aloft."
Isaac Cox
>A capacity for great peace, love, and compassion, as well as great violence, hate, and destruction.
I choose peace, love, and compassion, along with economic growth for all.
Tyler Foster
Oh, I didn't realize it was a dynamic structure. Those are actually pretty good idea. I think the orbital ring and launch loop are a little better, but those aren't bad at all.
Isaac Allen
That's a good question, and I haven't looked into it specifically, I'll have to get back to you.
Isaiah Green
>I choose peace, love, and compassion, along with economic growth for all.
You're ignoring humanity.
Henry Smith
Are you a really well done bot? >pumps out endless OC memes >super optimistic >Nazi, commie, retard, Santa; he don't care just wants that space elevator.
Ethan Martin
Most probably we would use lofstrom loop + skyhook combination since getting all that shit into orbit to build actual ring is quite costly
