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Who was in the wrong here?

Everybody

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The airline for overbooking their flights to hedge their bets and not having any alternative options for getting their own workers to work.

Friendly skies my ass !

Fuck United Airlines

Overbooking is standard practice and they need to do it to insure against no shows. The airplane is private property and if you're asked to leave for any reason, you have to.

You can work out the details once you're off the plane, it shouldn't resort to having them call some feral niggers to drag your unconscious body off of the plane.

At the same time, there shouldn't be feral niggers dragging people unconscious off of planes.

fpbp

I wouldn't give up my seat if I had somewhere I had to be in time, go pick somebody else.

I'd rather take the punch to the face for the sweet settlement dosh

>Overbooking is standard practice and they need to do it to insure against no shows

No shows are a fact of nearly everything that requires human attendance. THEIR workers needed to get somewhere so THEY could work? Sounds like THEIR problem, not mine.

What is this and why is it being spammed here?

>go to restaurant
>buy hamburger
>sit down to eat
>restaurant staff announces that some of their employees are now hungry and need to eat
>have a computer decide who has to give up their hamburgers
>computer picks you
>tfw your hamburger was for sick hospital patients
>dont want to give up the hamburger you paid for
>restaurant staff start beating you up
>they eat your hamburger

What if it was a black dude
would they throw him off?

>some shitty practice is standard
>therefore, they're right

disruptive vermin removed forcefully, seems a benign treatment compared to what he deserved

I see some major law suits here, and some asshole cops that beat up paying passengers should lose their jobs.

Everyone in this thread is a retard.

This guy wouldn't have been "randomly" selected to get kicked off if he didn't appear so weak. The airline security knew they wouldn't have much of a problem manhandling so they picked him, the weakest guy

Its his fault for not lifting and maintainingg a manly physique.

This some socialist thing right.

Hey user, I know youre eating at my table right now, but my busboy is hungry so leave the table.

It's chicago, he'll probably get a promotion instead

>No shows are a fact of nearly everything that requires human attendance. THEIR workers needed to get somewhere so THEY could work? Sounds like THEIR problem, not mine.

Exactly, it is their problem. It is also their plane. Their plane, their rules.

Nobody has an unmitigated right to be on somebody else's private property regardless of what they paid for. And it's definitely all in the fine print that they can ask to to leave a plane for any reason.

It's not their fault the chinaman didn't understand what was going on because he stubbornly refuses to learn the host language of the culture he exists parasitically within.

GET OFF MY PLANE VIETNAM FUCKING SHIT

Nope, once you resist it's entirely on you.

I can't believe Sup Forums is falling for this normie bait.

The plane is private property, thanks to 9-11 the airlines and airport security have free reign to do anything they want, and you have no right to airline travel.

This entire "incident" is being used for aggressive commie propaganda.

>I AM A HUMAN BEAN PLANET EARTH CITIZEN AM I BEING DETAINTED?

This, you shouldn't be attacking your customers and treating your employees better. Airports are the most backwards when it comes to customer and employee relationships. It's almost weekly when you hear a news story of how an airport mistreated another customer.

>Hey user, I know youre eating at my table right now, but my busboy is hungry so leave the table.

"Well, it's your table. But I expect to be reimbursed and made whole for the inconvenience. I understand that it's your table and you need to ask me to leave at this time. I will contact your customer service after I leave. If necessary I will file a small claims lawsuit to make sure that I am made whole. Cheerio."

>Exactly, it is their problem. It is also their plane. Their plane, their rules.

So what? I paid to have a seat. Sounds like if a plane is full a plane is full and if their own employees needed to get somewhere they should have been on the plane and ticketed before the plane was full.

>Nobody has an unmitigated right to be on somebody else's private property regardless of what they paid for

A voluntary exchange of money for a service gives you an absolute right to receive your services.

>And it's definitely all in the fine print that they can ask to to leave a plane for any reason.

This is an unreasonable reason and could be resolved in a number of ways that don't involved forcibly removing someone who bought and paid for a seat. It's going to damage your company's reputation, you have to cough up money to the person and it's likely they're going to get sued.

>It's not their fault the chinaman didn't understand what was going on because he stubbornly refuses to learn the host language of the culture he exists parasitically within.

Shut up you faggot.

>medical doctor refusing to leave the airplane so he could return to his practice
>vermin
I'm sure your white skin makes you superior to him though, right?

All the people on the flight were in the wrong because not one offered to exit the plane in his place. They cared enough to record but not enough to step in when it counted.

>Nobody has an unmitigated right to be on somebody else's private property regardless of what they paid for
Except it's literally in the "fine print" that once you're boarded you cannot be removed save for criminal activity or disruption. You can't physically remove someone for overbooking. It's why they take volunteers and give out incentives.

Nope. They would bend over backwards and offer them a first class ride. Seen it myself.

This. I think most nig nogs and even white trash deserve to be shot and brutalized by the police because if they're after them in the first place, they're almost always criminal scum that has done something wrong (like big mike brown stealing some cigars).

the man in the picture was a a medical doctor, who wasnt a criminal, was forcibly evicted from the plane for no reason. He refused to accept the opt-out offer where the airline gives you money if you give up your seat for the next flight; he had a contract with the airline for the ticket and he did not accept their offer. They violated the NAP. The policemen violated the NAP. He did the principled thing and refused the offer, they were butt hurt so they initiated force. He had the right to shoot all parties involved in his forcible removal.

This is just dumb. Yes it was wrong for United to kick him off but it's his fault that he is bleeding for resisting officers who are already jittery
having to work at the airport. Just more commie sheckle outrage because rich white liberals don't have anything interesting to fight.

>Except it's literally in the "fine print" that once you're boarded you cannot be removed save for criminal activity or disruption
Where?

source?

the airlines, for being greedy faggots who broke their own contract of service

Funny how they call something voluntary before you refuse to do it and suddenly it's mandatory.

Words are funny sometimes, huh guys? :^)

>>Nobody has an unmitigated right to be on somebody else's private property regardless of what they paid for

>A voluntary exchange of money for a service gives you an absolute right to receive your services.

No, it doesn't. If you go to a take out restaurant and pay for a certain item, and it turns out when it comes time to cook your meal, the kitchen is out of that item, you don't have an "absolute right" to receive that item, and if you won't accept a substitute, they might have to ask you to leave.

hey... hey... hey...

Mark Wahlberg telling it like it is.

Why was he freaking out so much?

business laws state you cant just refuse service once you entered into a legally binding contract. that is called "acting in bad faith" in the legal world. the guy should sue for millions and then settle for a few hundred thousand after the airlines pay him off to be quiet

incredibly wrong, and probably something you read on reddit/social media considering how dumb it is

They could have fixed the situation by 1) offering him more money or 2) offering another passenger the offer (again, money + new flight) instead, which would have worked. They raged and broke the NAP.

>Except it's literally in the "fine print" that once you're boarded you cannot be removed save for criminal activity or disruption. You can't physically remove someone for overbooking.

top kek, no it isn't, you faggot.

I need to get home

I need to get home

ha ha ha

It's ok because the officers are jittery? Bullshit.

because he was being unfairly kicked off a plane he paid for, to get back home in time, to see patients who had scheduled appointments with him months in advance, because hes a doctor?

Cuckpitalism

>No, it doesn't. If you go to a take out restaurant and pay for a certain item, and it turns out when it comes time to cook your meal, the kitchen is out of that item, you don't have an "absolute right" to receive that item, and if you won't accept a substitute, they might have to ask you to leave.

See, that would be comparable if it was the case the man was trying to board an already filled plane. He was already on the plane (in the restaurant) and he already had his seat (his meal.)

The real kicker is the employee comes before the customer, so really it would be like: an employee really wants a steak but his work is out of steak so they ask if someone will "voluntarily" give up their steak and if they refuse they'll just take it anyway.

This is airprane

Sure the airplane is private property, but when they sell him a ticket they enter a voluntary agreement to let him be on that plane. If they wanted people to go off the plane, then they should've atleast offered adequate compensation.

this is library

The airline obviously

As if getting molested by the TSA was bad enough

>business laws state you cant just refuse service once you entered into a legally binding contract. that is called "acting in bad faith" in the legal world. the guy should sue for millions and then settle for a few hundred thousand after the airlines pay him off to be quiet

they weren't refusing service, they needed the seats for another purpose and we're asking specific people to deplane and accept other arrangements to reach their destination, while being reimbursed for the inconvenience.

the chinaman had no right to chimp out.

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Think about it. Offer to get off in his place, they kiss your ass with free rewards and the media presents you as some good Samaritan hero. These people weren't thinking

>they weren't refusing service, they needed the seats for another purpose and we're asking specific people to deplane and accept other arrangements to reach their destination, while being reimbursed for the inconvenience.

You keep saying "asking" but it's not asking when you don't have the option to say no.

This is no longer library.

their fuck up for overbooking the flight. No reason to punish the customer for their fuck up. They should have just been down a few employees because it was their mistake.

Passenger was in the wrong--what possible outcome did he expect? You think once you are asked to leave an airplane that there is any chance you will win? All he did was delay everyone else.

>Sure the airplane is private property, but when they sell him a ticket they enter a voluntary agreement to let him be on that plane. If they wanted people to go off the plane, then they should've atleast offered adequate compensation.

That's the thing, they were offering adequate compensation. But the insectoid chinaman didn't understand enough English to know what they were saying so he chimped out.

Protip: Chinks feel entitled to special treatment out of a sense of superiority. "I'm a doctor" as if he expects special favors due to his occupation. This isn't the PRC where the upper classes routinely bribe and take advantage of the government while the poor get shat on.

Dumbass got what he deserved. If he doesn't like it he can go back to China - listen to his accent, he's not American.

Overbooking isn't a fuck up, they do it all the time because they want to hedge their bets and get more seats filled.

it's proliferation across all platforms simultaneously. They established a narrative that MUH CORPORATION was in the wrong, when the reality is the police are responsible, so its really MUH STATE. anti-corporate propaganda disseminated by commies and globalists to agitprop for MUH EARTH RIGHTS

Underrated.

they refused service by definition you dumbass. the chinaman bought a ticket for that specific flight, at that specific time. he didnt buy it with stipulations of "or maybe a later flight if you guys are full". once he purchased that ticket, both parties entered into a contract whereupon services were guaranteed in exchange for the payment, which was given in advance prior to receiving and in good faith of receiving the service. if you arent a lawyer yourself shut up

Security guards should be fired and put in jail.

Dude's lip is bleeding pretty decently and that requires some decent strength unless he fell by himself.

This whole thing was a shit show and i feel bad for the dr.

They do offer compensation, usually more than your ticket.

The contract had a clause in it that allowed for the EXIT of a customer in the event of the airplane in question was filled to the point of overcapacity.

$850-$1350 + a new flight is the standard.

The passenger still has the right to reject it and they [the airline] move onto the next. The free market solution would have prevented this man from being forcibly removed.

*0.25 miles were deposited into your account*

Dude you do not resist an officer's request to vacate someone else's property. If they are in the wrong you take it up with them in court afterward. You resist and you potentially get charged and your case against them goes out the fucking window.

>Overbooking is standard practice and they need to do it to insure against no shows.
What happens if someone is a no-show? They keep the money and have an empty seat?

Whoopdeefuckingdoo.

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selling a service that not existing is theft.

He payed for his transport, money first.
He got beaten up for the fuck up of the company.

So they have his money and throw him out.

its like dubbel theft.

I'll fly Southwest for now on.

>United's contract of carriage states that passengers to be forcibly taken off a flight in the event of overbooking will be 'determined based on a passenger’s fare class, itinerary, status of frequent flyer program membership, and the time in which the passenger presents him/herself for check-in without advanced seat assignment.'
>'Any passengers who is forced to get another flight is entitled to compensation.'

He was in the wrong

No, it's his fault because he refused to comply with police officers, he should have known this would happen because that is their right when dealing with a potential threat. Let's say he was
a terrorist (I know he's not you niggy) and didn't use the level of force prescribed for people resisting arrest and it's not silly, it's the truth.

I wonder who made that call

Why? Part of the terms and conditions of the ticket you buy is that you can be removed from the plane at the airlines discretion. If you refuse, they are well within their rights to have you removed from the plane by enforcement officers who can use force if necessary.

United was 100% in the right.

The real story here is that the media seems to have gone to war with airlines. Remember the thing about those girls getting kicked off for dressing wrong? I bet it's because of the laptop bomb thing.

>their plane
>their rules

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread but after you charge a customer you can do fuck all when it comes to telling them what to do. This is the American ethos.

You buy a ticket to fly from x to y. The company fucks up, tells you they fucked up, then tells the customer to fuck off? You had an agreement and when that agreement involves people's personal lives (pretty much all transpo) you have to be very, very sensitive when it comes to violating that.

United fucked up really bad by doing this, especially in the airline business. They're going bye bye.

this would have been the legal and correct thing to do, but they decided to be greedy jews and not have to reschedule, pay overtime to other employees, or cancel a flight and provide concessions. hence the controversy here.

most airlines are massive faggots in general

you fuckin know he wanted source on the gif, not your esoteric bullshit

There should be a campaign started crashing united airlines with no survivors.

it literally doesn't matter you stupid fucking redditor

They can remove you form the plane AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON, and they can get the air marshals/cops to do it for them if you resist.

Just because you buy something doesn't give you magical rights and or powers over a business like you're a fucking kid playing imaginary forcefield or something.

This is closer to fascism than anything else.

There are federal laws in place that allow airlines to remove non-compliant or combative passengers from their aircraft.

United writes their own policy around federal law to eject who ever they want from the aircraft.

>Need to fly 4 crew members to other airport otherwise lose $30,000 because no crew
>Randomly select 4 passengers to kick off the flight because FUCK YOU POLICY
>Agitate passenger to the point of combativeness
>callthefeds.exe to eject the passenger because the law
>put your own people on the plane
>???
>Profit

>he didnt buy it with stipulations of "or maybe a later flight if you guys are full". once he purchased that ticket, both parties entered into a contract whereupon services were guaranteed in exchange for the payment, which was given in advance prior to receiving and in good faith of receiving the service. if you arent a lawyer yourself shut up

see there's this thing called the fine print, where the terms do contain stipulations, such as "or maybe a later flight if you guys are full".

God bless capitalism

That's bullshit, they booked to fly at that time for a fucking reason, like oh I don't know, work? If the airline is going to compensate them for time lost at work on top of their ticket, then maybe that practice is a little less shitty.

He didn't fly so good

>asshole
>doing his job in taking care of a potential threat in someone refusing to cooperate in vacating private property.

Explain to me why it's more important for the company to seat their employees on an already filled plane? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a business point of view, they don't have to pay for their seats and if they miss work they also don't have to pay them and someone else will be delegated their tasks.

If you overbook a flight to the point your employees can no longer get home, who's fault and problem is that? The company's. Maybe they should have some fail safes so this doesn't happen in the future.

That's only before boarding. Once he's boarded that no longer applies, he can't be bumped

No, United is going nowhere.
Stop wanting another Tortanic.

If any percentage of passengers typically no-show, you can book extra passengers and make MORE MONEY.

>You had an agreement

Part of the stipulation of that agreement is that they can remove you from the flight. Read their terms and conditions.

Just because you put in clause a doesn't mean it'll hold up in court. Clauses are like prenups. They get thrown out a lot.

it's not a fuck up if it works and you're not losing money on empty seats.. its a fuck up if it leads to a situation where you bloody a customer for sitting in a seat he paid for. UA wouldn't have put out an official apology if it wasn't a fuck up

this. the airline could have offered a free flight, or some other concession in increasing value until someone took it. they decided to be cheap jews and offer a $400 for one of their regular priced (overpriced) flights. fuck them