Orbital Ring is an overpriced boondoggle. Launch Loop Master Race

Faggots keep coming in here and talking about building an Orbital Ring. It would cost $500 billion, and cut your launch costs from $2000/kg to $1/kg.

A Launch Loop would cost $30 billion and cut your launch costs to $3/kg. $30 billion is NASA's annual budget. Way easier to pull of politically.

They both reduce your costs by orders of magnitude,but a Launch Loop is cheaper and easier to engineer. Once it's up, we could put your homosexual Orbital Ring up for another $20 billion or so.

The Launch Loop still lets you mine asteroids and earn trillions of dollars, and it still lets you produce space-based solar power for under 1c/kwh.That's so cheap they pay for themselves with 2-3 years. So, throw up about $3 trillion of satellites, and by year 3 you can abolish federal income tax.

Orbital Rings are for fags. Launch Loops are for heteros.

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you forgot to estimate the costs of breaking through the firmament, and the potentially disastrous results of doing so.

We dont need a Launch Loop.

We have technology that is kept secret from the General Public that can get us into orbit super cheap.

I re read your post here but I'm having trouble finding the proofs

>you forgot to estimate the costs of breaking through the firmament

Found the Inquisition.

The Bible took the idea of the Firmament from the Sumerian Tablets. Then Bible believers took the quote out of context and made up a fantasy in their mind that the Firmament is a dome that covers the Earth.

The Firmament is not a Dome. When you read the original Sumerian tablets from where the bible took the the text word for word you find out that the Firmament is the remains of a destroyed planet called Tiamat.

The Hammered Bracelet or the Asteroid Belt is the remains of Tiamat that was destroyed by Marduk. Sumerian stories that are older then the bible tell us this.

Until someone publishes that in science journal, the Launch Loop will do just fine.

Because its classified, we have a secret space program they keep you ignorant about.

Cool stuff. We should build a Launch Loop to see whether it's Tiamat or Jesus up there.

So provide me with proofs from you then

As if we haven't...

Sure, in the 1950s.

Teleportation Master Race

What they had then are toys compared to what we have now.

Oh yeah, I saw Steven Greer, too.

Also an awesome idea. And until someone publishes a way to do this, the Launch Loop will be a great way to generate fucktons of energy that will be necessary for when we design the system.

Is this you in the video with the speech impediment?

Sowwy.

Do you wike the idea of a wowld with no taxes?

I sure do. The little neighbor girl sounds just like this at 8 years old. I'm just curious how someone could be grown and not have this taken care of. The science sounds solid but it's hard to take someone seriously when they sound like a kindergartner.

>The little neighbor girl sounds just like this at 8 years old. I'm just curious how someone could be grown and not have this taken care of.

It's genetic, you dickwad.

>The science sounds solid but it's hard to take someone seriously when they sound like a kindergartner.

I have thwee PhDs.

Your limiting the way you think about how we should gain energy.

The Energy Cartels like it when you fantasize about solar arrays because then you wont look to the real solution.

Our Entire planet is a Homopolar Dynamo. Tesla knew this and NASA proved it with the Tether Experiment.

I'm in I'll bet fifty quid on it . And another 250 later. Yeh get it on. Are there any regs on building in the international waters? Plus you may need another financer I don't think 300 quid will cover it.

>launch loop
>not a rotorvator staircase for a a billion dollars
Shit taste in speculative launch methods.

Why do you care about that shit anyway?
Do you have stocks in Nasa or a mining company? Because if they end up building something like this, the endgame is that some fatcat space mining CEOs will make a lot of money

>Homopolar Dynamo

youtube.com/watch?v=4vZRKVJQKUk

>Our Entire planet is a Homopolar Dynamo. Tesla knew this and NASA proved it with the Tether Experiment.
Explain.

Just dig a hole nigger. Earth ius flat anyways.

And whenever you post some proof of this, or someone writes a journal article, we'll get cracking on it. Until they, $30 billion for nearly free energy will do just fine.

Orbit ring is cheap! CHEAP!

What happens when a hurricane hits that?

We need a government. Someone with a navy and air force to protect it. But we should form a secret Launch Loop society...

Dude is high as FUCK

Does that respect the flat earth model, if not it won't work.

How did Marduk destroy a whole planet? Is this some sort of Star Wars fanfiction?

If we put a Launch Loop up first, it's cheap as fuck. Probably faster, because you could get it into space so much faster than trying to do it with just our rocket fleet.

Wait, what do you mean?

He's an idiot who reads conspiracy websites. On more real news, the earth's magnetic field is strong enough to induce a current in a sufficiently long cable out in space, so that if you spin the cable perpendicular to the surface, you would generate a giant current. Issue is that this isn't some free energy, all you are doing is transforming the orbital velocity of your cable into electricity, making it slowly descend as you keep spinning it, making it be sort of a terrible way to generate power, but an excellent way for large objects to adjust their altitude by means of a generator.

>How did Marduk destroy a whole planet?

No, that was the secret space program. :)

>He's an idiot who reads conspiracy websites.

Well, we're all on Sup Forums, so...

How exactly you imagine the launch loop generating electricity again?

Can i get a basic gestalt?
How tall would it be and what makes you think we have materials to construct it?

Why did Marmaduke destroy a planet?

The earth is flat?!

Satellites with solar panels on them. Probably a station, like SPS alpha

nasa.gov/pdf/716070main_Mankins_2011_PhI_SPS_Alpha.pdf

The old stories tell us of the war of the gods in the heavens when Marduk known as the planet Nibiru was fighting with his mother Namma known as planet Tiamat.

In the old world they retold the story each year at a Festival commemorating Marduks victory over Tiamat.

They called it the Akitu or the Zagmuk festival.

Some people think that it was only a moon of the Planet Nibiru that hit Tiamat and broke the planet up. Others think that the god Marduk used a weapon to destroy the planet.

When you read the old texts it explains that part of Tiamat went closer to the sun and Merged with the Proto Earth Vespa and became the planet we know as ours today. Our moon used to be a moon of Tiamat but it went closer to the sun also and became our moon. That is why our moon is so large and why its covered in dust and craters. The Basalt on the surface is from the Lava of the destroyed Tiamat.

In the Asteroid belt we also have Ceres. It was another moon of Tiamat but its still in the orbit with the rest of the debris from its host planet.

Star Wars is a Space Opera story. But the Original Space Opera that it copies from is the old Sumerian or Babylonian stories of the Anunna gods.

George Lucas knew all these old Myths.

80 km tall, we can do it with existing materials, like steel, kevlar, or zylon. Here's a little more technical reading, if you'd like some details:

slides.launchloop.com//launchloop.pdf

Keep dreaming those dreams sphere earth boy.

I can understand this generator, but how to harness the earth's magnetic field? Slice the earth into two and put a large metal disc in the middle?

But how did that happen?

>earth is ovoid
Something is wrong with you jokers.

Non-technical run down:
-its 1000 km long
-it reaches 40 km high
-its made of kevlar, iron, and carbon fiber
-no new breakthrough tech needed
-uses known magnetic and electric engineering
-beyond construction and initial power on requirements, it's self-containing, needs little maintenance (per kilometer, anyway), and has multiple failsafe due to the inherent design.

... OK, that's not the loop making the power, so at least you aren't an idiot.

That's what Birch suggests too, launch loop into Ring.

WTF are you talking about? No one has any idea what you're even saying.

Torus is not flat. Its 3 dimensional.

You need to watch Ken Wheelers vids on magnetism. He is a living genius on youtube.

Watch his series on uncovering the missing secrets of Magnetism.

space is a waste of time and money

Depends on the design you use, some are bigger than others, but this is a good tldr.

Oh boy, now they're arguing with each other...

>Ken Wheelers vids on magnetism
Magnets, how do they work?

The earth already has a metal core.

It is a magnet. If you want to generate power from a magnet all you have to do is move a conductor through the lines of flux.

Easy.

youtube.com/watch?v=As-wYmFYb3I

NASA put up a tether to prove this.

It generated so much power that it melted itself.

And the event caused quite alot of "Attention"

if such a thing was possible for the cost of $30 billion, the chink would of built it by now. they would be dominating the space market..

it's not as cheap nor easy to build as you make out.

Want to know what's even faster? A rotorvator staircase.

This looks like some Evangelion shit

Oh, how much energy? What would be the cost per kilowatt hour to generate energy this way? Please demonstrate that this is viable, so I can stop talking about the stupid Launch Loop which would let us make solar power for less than 1c/kwh.

It melted itself due to excessive current, and like all generators, they by themselves produce nothing, they require something else to move them. A generator with a driver is useless.

Geopolitically impossible, and I doubt China has the technical know how. I would support it if they did, though. The Asians are good at tech...

We should be living in a fantasy world already, don't you think?

Space is full of the things we use to make computer chips. We are running out of them on earth. Rare earth metals.

just to transmit that electricity over that distance would mean most of it's power is gone.

>America wanting the cheap reasonable alternative instead of the dick waving championship contender
Shame on you.

If they truly wanted to do the dickwave, they would have let sea dragon be built. You can't go much bigger than that without getting real fancy, real fast.

Faraday was the first inventor to make a Homopolar Dynamo. Its basically a DC generator made with permanent magnets and they put a copper conductor between them to break the lines of force and to use as the power take off.

Its called a Homopolar or Unipolar dynamo because you only make connection with 1 pole of the magnet. The other connection is along the Axis of the magnet.

This is known as the Inertial Plane or the Blochs wall.

Tesla also made a Homopolar Electric DC dynamo and he has a patent on it.

People like Bruce Depalma tried to build one and the feds confiscated it.

Adam Trombley who worked for Depalma now works to design generators they use on Navy Warships to generate power. Homopolar DC generators are the best to power rail guns and the DC can be used to power and entire ship.

Stupid asteroids with trillions of dollars of shit we need! If only there were some way to go get it, we could pay off the entire national debt with a couple of missions!

> Trillions of dollars worth of minerals

And just what do you think would happen if you introduce 100,000 tons of platinum, gold, silver, or just any precious metal into the market? It would collapse the price. That's why you'll have DeBeers in space pulling their traditional Jewry to mark up rocks for unsuspecting dipshits that'll pay $7000 for a few grams of it.

basically

Not really. It's fractions of a penny to transmit it, especially from a large station using some economy of scale.

It's not even round anymore, it's ovoid= egshaped.

Launch Loop Libertarians. Fiscal Responsibility combined with Wild-Eyed Space-faring Optimism.

I know how efficient wireless remote electricity is:
In a house to use is it's highly inefficient and you mean to tell me that over hundreds of miles it is?

LMAO, thanks for posting Lord Steven

Conspiracy theories are wrong.

This place never is

You can use a driver to turn a Homopolar Generator and it will use less energy to turn then the generator outputs.

The reason why is because Homopolar Generators dont get resistance when they are under load.

They are very efficient. On the Navy ships they use cooled liquid helium to make a superconducting connection to the Pole and the Equator of the Dynamo.

Sea dragon?

You make up an objection about a good over which you will have monopoly control. And then demolish it with your example.

1 shred of evidence, and I'll mail you $100.

>the amount of shear generated by multiple levels of wind layers pulling in different directions

>even assuming a major hurricane will never hit it

Holy shit what idiots dream this up?

No, it's not nearly as efficient as a wire. But space solar would still demolish coal, and pay for itself within a couple years.

Open investments.

A running loop would have an extremely large amount of energy in its linear momentum. While the magnetic suspension system would be highly redundant, with failures of small sections having essentially no effect, if a major failure did occur the energy in the loop (1.5×1015 joules or 1.5 petajoules) would be approaching the same total energy release as a nuclear bomb explosion (350 kilotons of TNT equivalent)

Open investments?

That has nothing to do with the fact sending a bunch of cable to space to power the earth is beyond dumb. There are no efficiency gains due to trasmission loses, and no extra energy being derived from it. You are better off just attaching one to a nuclear reactor down on earth.

Sea dragon was a gigantic 2 stage fully reusable rocket made to be dirt cheap, and supper inefficient. To put it into perspective, it was meant to carry 250 metric tons to orbit, but it it had the same efficiency of a proton rocket, it would carry close to 1200 tons. It's allure was huge single throw capacity, it's reusability, its lack of need of exotic materials, and generally simple engineering.

Were it to be built today, it would be more than twice the size of any current rocket, and it was taller, fatter, and heavier than the Saturn V.

>While the magnetic suspension system would be highly redundant, with failures of small sections having essentially no effect, if a major failure did occur the energy in the loop (1.5×1015 joules or 1.5 petajoules) would be approaching the same total energy release as a nuclear bomb explosion (350 kilotons of TNT equivalent)

Yes, this thing has to be out in the ocean. Now, if you spread a nuclear blast over a few thousand miles it's not as bad as it sounds, but you would need a safety zone.

By design, that's not all that worrisome because it's spread out so far away from each other. Should a major failure occur, friction would render it less destructive within seconds, at the price of ruining the rotor and most of the sheat forever.

My point was not safety of bystanders, but the potential damage failures would do to the system. How will you do repairs after a major failure?

>You are better off just attaching one to a nuclear reactor down on earth.

Which nuclear reactors create power for less than 1c/kw? A trillion dollar thorium reactor with incredible scale advantages?

I mean, I don't think you're going to get there.

Some welders, I imagine.

>the missing secrets of magnetism

this ain't ancient rome nigger

It would be easier to mount a monorail system into a mountain.

We already generate nuclear power at the 1c/kw range, with even the most expensive normally being 2.2c/kw throughout their life. That's irrelevant a giant set of spinning cable out in space does nothing to help our power needs down on earth.

You dont understand the entire concept. What Nasa showed was a proof of concept showing that it works. There are many confirmed examples of generating DC power with this method.

From all the inventors like Faraday and Tesla and we can make small Magnet generators that make power. We dont have to put wires up in orbit. That is just a proof of concept that it works.

The wires are a conductor that is moving through the lines of force of the magnet of our planet.

We can do the same thing with spinning magnets.

You need to watch the movie Thrive:

youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s

It sort of is doing that. The problem is the kinetic energy in the thing is massive, and the length is thousands of km. And you want to be near the equator.