Faggots keep coming in here and talking about building an Orbital Ring. It would cost $500 billion, and cut your launch costs from $2000/kg to $1/kg.
A Launch Loop would cost $30 billion and cut your launch costs to $3/kg. $30 billion is NASA's annual budget. Way easier to pull of politically.
They both reduce your costs by orders of magnitude,but a Launch Loop is cheaper and easier to engineer. Once it's up, we could put your homosexual Orbital Ring up for another $20 billion or so.
The Launch Loop still lets you mine asteroids and earn trillions of dollars, and it still lets you produce space-based solar power for under 1c/kwh.That's so cheap they pay for themselves with 2-3 years. So, throw up about $3 trillion of satellites, and by year 3 you can abolish federal income tax.
Orbital Rings are for fags. Launch Loops are for heteros.
Orbital Ring and Launch Loop are Psyops to bait people who aren't scientifically literate into making fools of themselves, therefore discrediting them.
As I keep saying, we are better off making a rotorvator staircase, but the idea works.
Daniel Myers
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Ryder Adams
Oh, so you've published scientific research that disagrees with the experts who know it is possible?
Evan Perry
nah I doubt it works. looks and sounds like bullshit to me.
what would we even need that shit for?
James Perry
Fuck off you fucking dumbass. You dont know shit
Jeremiah Moore
>literally impossible
Things that are at all more ambitious than current things are impossible.
Jack Bennett
bump
Anthony Nelson
>Nothing impossible about it, it's just extremely energy intensive.
Yes, a decent amount of money and energy will have to go into this. But we can get hundreds of times more out of it, so it's worth the effort.
John Hall
Space launch. Using a sled over the cable, you can send things into space at a relatively small acceleration. It uses fairly well known principles and previously use technology in, admittedly, a never used before scale. Current calculations hold it should work, but you know it is with calculations.
That we can agree with.
Ian Evans
Energy policy.
Jordan James
Rotovator staircases are even more efficient, require less material, and involve even less R&D of the details, but yeah, failing that, a launch loop is better than even reusable rockets.
Jayden Turner
>It would cost $500 billion So a quarter of the Afghan/Iraq war? Fuck it, build 4 of them.
Robert Wright
>what would we even need that shit for?
Getting trillions of dollars of minerals off of asteroids. Solar power that's ~80% less than coal.
Blake Mitchell
>implying it doesn't need constant maintenance >yea man I just climb up 80km on the side up to fix that broken shit >capsule gets stuck at 60km height
nah its bullshit
Brandon Howard
Got some cost estimates?
Gabriel Gray
We need a way to mass produce carbon nano tubes first
Alexander Green
>So a quarter of the Afghan/Iraq war?
Yeah. Or NASA's annual budget.
Eli Richardson
Solar power is shit. Fusion is the Future (together with Liquid salt reactors)
also its probably cheaper to just attach a huge net around an asteroid and brake him with parachutes and land him in the ocean in a shallow place.
Jeremiah Lewis
Worse. The loop is kept aloft by a huge cable or string of beads kept moving THROUGH the damn thing, so the centrifugal force keeps it airborne. The energy requirements are enormous. No known tech can power it efficiently.
And god help you if the power fails and the whole shebang falls back to earth...
Michael Russell
Make up one sentence scenarios, assume they utterly destroy $30 billion peice of equipment, reach preposterous conclusion.
Nicholas Bailey
and power loss could happen any moment.
like I said, its shit and impossible and impractical
>yo lets build some overengineered bullshit that doesn't even really work and could fail at any moment and fund it with muh taxes so jews can mine gold in space
yea nah
Camden Thompson
How do we need carbon nanotubes for things that can easily be built with steel?
Elijah Thomas
>Solar power is shit
Yeah, it's just cutting your power bill about 80%.
>Fusion is the Future
Anything viable?
>(together with Liquid salt reactors)
Agreed.
Xavier Turner
>and power loss could happen any moment.
Of course, that would make it explode. And catch on fire.
>like I said, its shit and impossible and impractical
Oh, you proved it!
>yo lets build some overengineered bullshit that doesn't even really work and could fail at any moment and fund it with muh taxes so jews can mine gold in space
"I like paying taxes and not haivng 10% economic growth!"
Dominic Reyes
>A Launch Loop would cost $30 billion and cut your launch costs to $3/kg. $30 billion is NASA's annual budget.
These estimates are from Keith Lofstrom, an engineer. Engineers can't budget or count money worth crap. See NASA.
Give me an estimate from an Accountant or someone with a degree in Economics.
Hunter Rivera
>currently nonviable technology is what we should utilize >attach a net around an asteroid and parachutes will somehow stop it from breaking up upon impact/slowing it down to any significant degree well your ideas are shittier than solar panels
here's an improvement to the asteroid one: attach boosters to the asteroid with a decent fuel source for maneuvering and some kind of coating which is mostly resistant to entry conditions. the asteroid would be able to land like a soyuz capsule if done right.
Camden Bailey
>mfw your shitty loop will never be build because everyone and their mom knows its shit tier
Evan Miller
>These estimates are from Keith Lofstrom, an engineer. >Engineers can't budget or count money worth crap
Flawless logic. Experts don't know what they know.
>See NASA.
See OP
Jace Phillips
but thats exactly what my Idea was you funny autist
John Evans
What about wind and earthquakes? Wouldn't this be a huge target for an enemy nation?
Sebastian Adams
About 10 billion per 1000 km Rotovator, which would mean a supersonic carrier could fly up to its tip, deliver a 100 ton cargo, and then have it delivered to MEO and below. Add another one, and you can be on your way to GEO, all without any new energy input. Note the second rotorvator can be pulled up in pieces by the first one, further reducing the cost of a staircase.
Easton Bailey
This dude reeeaally needs someone else to narrate his videos for him.
Jaxson Lewis
MSR's are the future pleb
Angel Ward
Make it very clear that if they touch it we will nuke them.
Nathaniel Brown
>him
Stop misgendering asteriods, shitlord
Jose Campbell
Solar power and wind power are both pretty shit. >cost a fuck ton to make and maintain >still needs a whole backup system in case there is no wind or cloudy >solar is useless at night, which is when all the lights are on
Gabriel Roberts
It's fairly inmmune to both due to the way it works. The toy uses friction and a small mass to keep it spinning and stable, but this uses a magnetic field for containment, one that's part generated by power put in, a larger part generate by the movement of the chain. Even with the power cut off, it should still function as design and slowly lose height as it loses velocity within the sheath. Assuming no breach occurs which causes it to burn up with eddy currents, it should be harmless to everyone around.
Juan Murphy
>What about wind and earthquakes?
We can calculate the forces created by these, and build the structure strong enough to withstand.
Gavin Sanders
>muh engineers are infallible
Ayden Jackson
But why? Once it's on earth's orbit, mining it becomes trivial landing it safely on earth would be the most energy intensive operation ever attempted, even with a loop running below.
Connor Ross
Go get raped by sandniggers.
Carter Morris
Solar power is king in space, you can't do much better.
Christian Young
What about terrorists?
Thomas Baker
Cost to orbit/kg? Preferably from a peer-reviewed source?
William Harris
>"we should attach parachutes to it" >this implies coating it with materials for entry into the atmosphere uhhh nope
Owen Howard
You know anybody?
Asher Thompson
Nuclear can. In fact, solar is useful (not even better) till about just before Mars, after that point it becomes so weak to reach uselessness.
Michael White
Reminder that the orbital space ring would have to spin at 18,000 mph
Reminder that this project requires the object to be launched at 25,000 mph
Justin Clark
Wind sucks. Land-based solar sucks. Space-based solar is way, way cheaper than coal.
You are a Communist if you disagree, and demand that people pay higher prices based on your made-up preference.
David Murphy
If numbers kek wills it
Dominic Cook
Nah, put that shit on the moon like the mass driver from Policenauts
Lucas Young
>landing it safely on earth would be the most energy intensive operation ever attempted >loser who doesn't know about Aerobraking
>gets butthurt because his ideas suck
grow up kid
Asher Anderson
Atmosphere absorbs practically all the beam though
Ian Moore
Nuclear reactors are extremely heavy and produce a lot of heat, both bad things for space. Of course solar gets less effective as you get farther out though.
Cameron Perez
>source is a jewtube video which links to a PDF written by the guy who designed it. >asks for peer reviewed sources from others
Mason Clark
Space based solar sounds interesting but how do you transmit energy back to earth?
Isaac Jenkins
go jerk off merkel tossie roll
Michael Ross
>what is a liquid salt reactor
holy shit educate yourself you dumb nigger
Landon Edwards
a) That design would never work, those beams would flex too much b)All that weight on top of the foundations that are going to rust in salt water is a terrible idea c)The amount of Delta V required to change an inclination of orbit would make this thing never pay for itself.
It's retarded.
Sebastian Barnes
How would they get to it if we have an aircraft parked next to it?
Oliver Gonzalez
Those run monumentally hotter than traditional nuclear reactors, dingus.
Jaxon Thompson
>Nuclear can.
Most optimistic estimate for thorium are 1.5/kwh
Henry Watson
>what is a Radiator
I swear this guy is getting dumber with every reply
Aiden Wood
Not really. Maybe 10%.
Chase Campbell
You cant build that shit. We dont have the materials for it and its cheaper to just shoot stuff into space the normal way than to take such a gamble.
>Construction is impossible >We dont have the materials for it >Its not safe >Transportation of materials is impossible.
Also we dont need to put thousand tons into orbit. First, we need to know how to get useful shit down from space without going extinct
Cameron Price
Congratulations, now you have even more weight to deal with.
Holy fuck, you cant be serious. Thats impossible, radiators arent fucking magic, theyre not that efficient.
Youd melt the spaceship
Adam Davis
>what are titanium alloys
jesus, grow a brain already dude
Asher Smith
>Chunk of space debris knocks into the satellite causing beam to vaporize a swath of the Earth
Seems pretty cool.
Jordan Walker
Wow, more one-sentence allegations that have no basis in reality.
Adrian Russell
so in other words, roughly the same % that gets through the atmosphere naturally?
Why not just collect it on the ground?
Samuel Fisher
>You cant build that shit.
False.
>We dont have the materials for it
False.
>and its cheaper to just shoot stuff into space the normal way than to take such a gamble.
$2000/kg is less than $3/kg?
>First, we need to know how to get useful shit down from space without going extinct
We've known, for decades, how to get useful shit from space. The launch costs have been the limiting factor.
Jeremiah Smith
Believing in the launch loop jew.
Ethan Jones
Says the guy on the autistic chinese cartoon memeboard.
William Roberts
The only one who needs to grow a brain here is you.
Juan Bell
Wow, more dismissive arguments that don't prove your point better at all. Nice going.
Brody Campbell
>2 false
Might as well post citations and calculations user.
Lincoln Carter
no you you launch loop loser
Elijah Ramirez
Please, tell me about how we can't turn the beam off, or how space debris magically appears with no warning, or how we can't use lasers or a rocket to push it away.
Issac Arthur is one of the most based motherfuckers on youtube. He joined to army to "relieve the stress of intense academia working towards his physics degree".
>HFW: Too smart of normie accents
Nathan Collins
I don't even care about that, I was just informing you that you were wrong about solar power in space.
Landon Howard
>whole energy is used to keep the laser operational
Brilliant
Isaiah Martinez
Also to add, undertaking the biggest building project mankind has ever had with slim chance to succeed does infact cost more than current launch prices
Adam Barnes
Wants to keep paying taxes when he can not pay taxes without doing anything Jew.
Luke Campbell
but its not peer reviewed.
Juan Taylor
I bet going through basic was hard on him. The Army is very locker room.
Matthew Cooper
Once you post a coherent explanation besides "The sun will hit it! It'll explode!" you'll be treated seriously.
Ryder Rodriguez
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Camden Lopez
No way dude, he literally is the Sup Forums hivemind's voice and will help lead the wite wace to its cosmic future.
