Trump bombs syria

>trump bombs syria
>few days later Sup Forums is full ancap traditionalist and wants to throw both neocons and communists from helicopters

I like new and improved Sup Forums.

Let's expand from here.

Everything I dont like is a spook

>confusing cuck stirner for HHH
I think you are in need of physical removal by privately funded tomahawk missiles.

It would of been better if you bombed Mexico or Canada

>dude lemme violate the NAP because memes lmao
Not an argument. I win.

>new and improved
This is how old Sup Forums was. The sacred alliance between lolbertarians and /n/atsoc.

I don't know how people suddenly started to trust politicians... newfags, I guess. At least there won't be any KEK SHILL KEKSERVATIVE outcry in 2020 when the flavor of the year candidate is supported by a few newfags.

Anarchist individualism =/= Anarcho-Capitalism

Anarchist individualism is at least ideologically coherent.

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> wants to throw both neocons and communists from helicopters

We never liked them, but now we use ((neocon)) instead of simply jews, for some reason

Fun fact: /n/atsocs and lolbertarians coexisted peacefully until the advent of D&C shilling from (((TRS)))

You disagree with me therefore you need to be removed with tomahawk cruise missiles top kek I win check e.m lol xd smug anime girl

>mfw property rights

>You disagree with me therefore you need to be removed with tomahawk cruise missiles top kek I win check e.m lol xd smug anime girl
>This is what Hoppeans actually believe and the extent of their intellect

>dude strawman arguments are only ok when my memeternet friends and I use them lmao

Narsocs and lolbergs are intelligent enough to form alliances and recognize threats, during the ron paul years everyone loved ron because despite not following our ideology, he was legit and hated the israeli-lobby with a passion

>property
>rights
Both meaningless apparitions

How is that a strawman? I didn't construct any false opposition.

>ancap traditionalist
isn't this a contradiction in terms?

"""""""People"""""" who want to violate the NAP aren't people.

>This is how old Sup Forums was. The sacred alliance between lolbertarians and /n/atsoc.
It really was.

We actually get to go back now.

Lets embrace it.

t.Kike/Shareblue

ancapistan never stops being based

might makes right

>implying it's not the default state of wierdos rejected from hunter gatherer tribes
We've been around a while.

This. AnCaps are autistic enough to believe their babby tier philosophy is rigid and coherent when it's no better than leninism.

does that Pepe have two left hands?
what are the rates for misprints on the meme market?

>new and improved

It the old guard taking back the board back from rebbit.

About three-fifty.

>Fun fact: /n/atsocs and lolbertarians coexisted peacefully until the advent of D&C shilling from (((TRS)))
This guy remembers both /new/ and /n/.

Fucking youngfags on this board today don't remember the good old times.

They don't remember "ron paul Sup Forums".

>You disagree with me therefore you need to be removed with tomahawk cruise missiles top kek I win check e.m lol xd smug anime girl
This is true though.

You need to be physically removed by smug anime grils.

>against war
>for anarchy
ok

>he was legit and hated the israeli-lobby with a passion

>tfw no ron paul bf

he was literally perfect

you should have listened Sup Forums

you should have fucking listened

Seeing how you're both a kike and from shareblue I'd say you're wrong.

>not an argument

What happens when all the land is owned? How do I leave my house without violating the NAP

>It the old guard taking back the board back from rebbit.
Pretty much this DESU

Remember how based this board was before?

War is the health of the state

>What happens when all the land is owned?
Why do people post without understanding basic things like homesteading, claims associations and polycentric law?

>Sup Forums used to be good
Whew.

This is literally where the left's priorities are:

Pretty much looks like it

this post is a violation of the NAP

>They don't remember "ron paul Sup Forums".
"soup ron paul Sup Forums"*
:^)

It used to be much better than today. You'd know this if you werent a redditor.

eh?

Leave leafs

Sup Forums

Destroy CENTRAL BANKS and the JEWISH enslavement of the world.

SMASH DEMOCRACY

>austrian
How does it feel that your country spawned our entire movement? lmao

There's a difference between "used to be good" and "at least it doesn't suck as bad as the last couple of years". Idiots need to learn the difference.

We all know why Trump bombed Syria.

Libertarian ideology is the most retarded shit America has ever invented, worse than coca-cola and mcdonalds.

I am not leftist, nor a nazi, but I consider traditionalists and the patriotic anti-capitalist right my natural as my natural allies.

Pic related, a true right winger

>Libertarian ideology is the most retarded shit America has ever invented, worse than coca-cola and mcdonalds.

>I am not leftist, nor a nazi, but I consider traditionalists and the patriotic anti-capitalist
>right my natural as my natural allies.


That flag, I thought socialism worked bro?

>Libertarian ideology is the most retarded shit America has ever invented
Why don't you at least try to understand libertarianism before you criticize it?

>patriotic anti-capitalist right my natural as my natural allies.
You're literally a marxist or some gay cuck anarcho-primatvist.
If you want to live with low living standards in the forest then that's your problem. Meanwhile we'll continue to love to have high living standards.

Varg is legitimately retarded and actually thinks writing words down is degenerate.

Greece tried socialism(using free money from the EU) and their economy is so fucking distorted right now because of it, they are dependent on cheap money like drug addicts.

They'll never get clean because it's the nature of their race.

Greece's problems were an inefficient taxing system which fueled the culture of tax evasion.

The government also committed fraud to meet economic health indicators until it was too late.

I mean high public spending compared to income was the cause but it's not really a good example of modern socialism failing, it was an example of inefficient and unsound governance.

t. lean state

>Greece's problems were an inefficient taxing system which fueled the culture of tax evasion.
AHAHAHAHAHA
HOLY FUCK YOU'RE ACTUALLY THIS BRAINWASHED

Why during this entire time did most other western countries have lower taxes and tax evasion wasn't a problem?

You faggots spent too much free printed EU money and wasted it on bullshit. Face the facts.

>The government also committed fraud
NOO REALLY???

>I mean high public spending compared to income was the cause
OF FUCKING COURSE IT WAS.

The only way for greece to fix it's problems is to dramatically cut spending, taxes and regulations, DESTROY your central bank and then thrown EUrocrats out of helicopters.

It's the only way.

Yeah, paying more taxes would have helped them, 4 gardeners for 8 plants weren't enough.

fake libertarians are absolutely disgusting

You can see moderate taxes working in a number of other countries. Unregulated markets also tend to wind up controlled so minimum government overwatch is needed.

Very effective insults though really made me think about my stance.

>tax this tax that
You're not libertarian.

So you even know what a land value tax is?

>Why during this entire time did most other western countries have lower taxes and tax evasion wasn't a problem?
As far as I know, France has always had pretty high taxes, yet tax evasion was miles away from being on Greece's level.

Full-on socialism, but I find dirigisme to be a good compromise: state owns the biggest national industrial actors, but finances and helps small/mid-sized enterprises to help them grow without owning them in any shape or form.

A dumb justification for violence?

>You can see moderate taxes working in a number of other countries
Yes. countries with enough economic production(from free market periods) I'm sure you can tax them for a little while to steal their wealth

It's NOT the way to grow your economy, it's how you destroy your economy.

Greedy greek cucks.

>Unregulated markets also tend to wind up controlled
HAHAHAH Empirically false.


You need very limited government controls, it's usually the corporations themselves which control government, which is a bad thing.

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not exactly

Ground-rents are a still more proper subject of taxation than the rent of houses. A tax upon ground-rents would not raise the rents of houses. It would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent, who acts always as a monopolist, and exacts the greatest rent which can be got for the use of his ground. More or less can be got for it according as the competitors happen to be richer or poorer, or can afford to gratify their fancy for a particular spot of ground at a greater or smaller expense. In every country the greatest number of rich competitors is in the capital, and it is there accordingly that the highest ground-rents are always to be found. As the wealth of those competitors would in no respect be increased by a tax upon ground-rents, they would not probably be disposed to pay more for the use of the ground. Whether the tax was to be advanced by the inhabitant, or by the owner of the ground, would be of little importance. The more the inhabitant was obliged to pay for the tax, the less he would incline to pay for the ground; so that the final payment of the tax would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent.
—Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations, Book V, Chapter 2, Article I: Taxes upon the Rent of Houses

Adam Smith was a marxist-leninist.

State shouldn't really go as far as owning the industrial sector though. Even though it's worked demonstrably it doesn't encourage competition. A private industry on the other hand needs the state as a competition watchdog because state interference is not the only way to control a market or even practically bar entry to it, especially in heavy industry.

We call ourselves the "party of principle," and we base property rights on the principle that everyone is entitled to the fruits of his labor. Land, however, is not the fruit of anyone's labor, and our system of land tenure is based not on labor, but on decrees of privilege issued from the state, called titles. In fact, the term "real estate" is Middle English (originally French) for "royal state." The "title" to land is the essence of the title of nobility, and the root of noble privilege.

The royal free lunch

When the state granted land titles to a fraction of the population, it gave that fraction devices with which to levy, and pocket, tolls on the fruits of the labor of others. Those without land privileges must either buy or rent those privileges from the people who received the grants or from their assignees. Thus the state titles enable large landowners to collect a transfer payment, or "free lunch" from the actual land users.

Only six bitcoin? Damn that's cheap!

Not really, empirically true rather even though historically oligopolies have also abused the government simultaneously with private control methods.

Large companies have the advantage of scale. If you were to start producing steel you would have to start at a very high level of production to be able to compete with established competitors. If those competitors then contractually or through ownership already controlled suppliers or even just jacked their prices down until the new competitors are out of business any new competitors can not survive. You also have to account for the fact that people will realise this and wont even try to enter a market where the only possible outcome is a huge time and money sink for no returns.

Things always get shittier so "used to be good" just translates to "was slightly less shit"

>cuck stirner

Like do commies even think?

Are you blind or deaf?

Since we're speaking of taxation... what do you faggots think of the tobin tax?

It proposes taxing ALL financial transactions by 0.01%. Through this, speculation and high-speed automated transactions can be fought while having a basically nonexistent effect on "real" transactions.

In addition, it'll allow some additional budget for the state. For example, in the US, this means about $24 billion in 2016.

>Even though it's worked demonstrably it doesn't encourage competition
I assume that's an issue, and I didn't mean owning the whole industrial sector, obviously; but contract work to the lowest bid can very often (and mostly does) result in work of worse quality because that's what makes cash.
There are also some sectors that simply can't be handled through the free market, such as highways, railroads, and such unless you consider entirely private roads to be a good thing (they aren't).

>oligopolies have also abused the government simultaneously with private control methods.
That's exactly what libertarians have been fighting against for decades.

>Max "anyone who disagrees with my pre-neuroscience delusions is easy target ayn rand" Stirner

HAHAHAHA
Nobody in libertarianism likes ayn rand, it's hilarious you losers picked her at your target. you have nothing
Leftypol everybody

>There are also some sectors that simply can't be handled through the free market
swirling around with that lie in your head is why you have little to no bitcoin in your hands

Please stop posting you delusional cuckold.

At the same time you somehow insist that private control methods can't be used alone. You are just a dogmatic at this point.

In many, many parts of the world, land use patterns means that building two or more highways isn't practicable. Highways are a natural monopoly, and so firstly, it would result in an incredibly inefficient use of land resources. Secondly, when only one highway exists from point A to B, competition is lost, and the absence of regulation means that exorbitant toll fees can be practiced: huge profit margins for highway owners, very few benefits for drivers.

Finally, alternate small/local roads can provide some form of competition, but they are often very impractical, especially when it comes to moving goods across the country.

Free market roads/highways are shit.

There are no copyrights in ancapism
Copyrights = government

>but they are often very impractical
Why?
Because you have to pay a little bit?
It's still far far less than you're paying in taxes desu.

You're kidding yourself if you think the owner of a busy road wont maximise his profits while the state should only gather as much funds as needed to maintain the road.

Constant toll + congestion, multiplied by the number of separate roads you're gonna be driving on.

Apart from that, you haven't refuted any of my other arguments... besides, taxes pay for more than just railroads.

Trying to meme a guy that doesn't know "what a leppo" is....

>Constant toll
My car gets scanned and my credit card charged when I pass over the toll road(there are many warnings that I'm about to pass along the way).
It's fucking easy. You're delusional.

>congestion
lmao how are multiple LARGE roads going to be congested ?

>You're kidding yourself if you think the owner of a busy road wont maximise his profits
He can try but the market will prevent him.
Why do you pretend that we think all capitalists are altruistic or something?

>Trying to meme a guy that doesn't know "what a leppo" is...
Gary Johnson isn't a libertarian and we fucking hate that cuck.

Nobody is shilling for Johnson here, user. It's all about Ron and Rand.

I'm not talking about the actual act of paying, but simply paying for every usage of the road rather than the gov only taking what's needed to fix the road in taxes.

>multiple LARGE roads
refer to my original post.

The market will prevent him how? Is someone going to build another road that runs next to the first one, how is that rational compared to a state owning the road and being done with it?

People might take the longer route if it actually is cheaper but the point is there's a pretty good profit margin to be had compared to only collecting the upkeep of the road. Travel and transportation of goods will be cheaper on an efficient public road.

Sometimes you have to realise that even though an idea works great overall you might have to make large compromises in the details.

>but simply paying for every usage of the road rather than the gov only taking what's needed to fix the road in taxes.
You will always pay more in taxes for inefficient roads than for private run roads.

Also stop posting my bourgeoisie waifu for your statist bullshit.

>>multiple LARGE roads
More than one company can't built a road?
More than one company cannot build a hyperloop?

If one company tried to jack up the price of these things, it would create a MASSIVE opportunity for another company to come along and take their road market share.

>tax evasion

aka self defense

Anyone who objects to bourgeois society shall have their throats slit.

>tax

get out collectivist subhuman

Alright guys it's 8AM time to sleep.

except building roads takes a HUGE initial investment, and like I said earlier, there's the problem of land. Roads are not goods: they are constructed on land. It's not as simple as starting to make a road if the existing one isn't being competitive. These things takes years.

>You will always pay more in taxes for inefficient roads than for private run roads.
Questionable affirmation at best. Like I said, taxes pay for more than roads.

Also, fight me, I'll keep posting your slut if I find an appropriate pic of her in my reaction image folder.

This isn't even about economics anymore is it? This is a battle of good vs evil to you lmao.

Imagine being able to starve a shitty road company....now imagine trying to starve a shitty road company that is also a state monopoly. That's the difference

>Through this, speculation and high-speed automated transactions can be fought while having a basically nonexistent effect on "real" transactions

A great idea to reduce market volume and thus availability of money and commodities.

gg statists

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