Atheism btfo

Is atheism ((their)) weapon to destroy western civilizacional?

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how is that so

indeed

socialism will destroy western civiliziton. It makes people lazy and obedient. It makes people abandon their values and morals.
Old age pensions make people not have kids because they no longer need to have someone who supports them. Marriges don´t last because when one part of a relationship leaves they can just marrie the government.
The state can´t discriminate against it´s citizens (wich is good) but this attitude spreads to the people and they can no longer differentiate between friend and enemy.

Indeed, atheism is a tool to destroy western traditions.

Agnosticism/Atheism was the product of advances in science. Semi-Intelligent people who studied the sciences connected the dots and realized religion is nothing but a tool to control the masses. But then the meme of atheist/agnostics being smart started going around and every angsty fuck who had an identity crisis embraced it to seem smarter than the rest. Hence the massing amount of retards shouting atheism from the rooftops with a highschool science education. Atheism is the new emo.

Atheism is not really smart tho, science says nothing about god really

There are natural laws followed by all mater that allows life. When you look at matter and how it is constructed, beyond a shadow of a doubt there is a "architect". But surely not the one depicted in Judeo-Christian or any other religious books.

>Semi-Intelligent people who studied the sciences connected the dots and realized religion is nothing but a tool to control the masses

M'lady.

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Ebin meme bucko

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can someone explain why communism is supposed to go hand in hand with atheism? if anything capitalism goes with atheism and communism goes with religion

How can you convince people to not act in their own self-interest? scary sky fairy that tells them so

this is where they messed up

Chocolate?

Really, religion in origin is a survival strategy that helps people form more cohesive groups, hence why religiosity seems to be heritable.

It's not about people being dumb or smart people ruling over dumb dumbs. At least not originally.

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Or vanilla?

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If it were true they are doing a poor job since atheism has been in decline worldwide, approaching only 1% of the total population.

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So the fedora memes has chased away all the token agnostics who are swayed by a bit of banter. Thank you for that.

Atheism is the fastest shrinking religion in the world. Atheism is in decline worldwide, with the number of atheists falling from 4.5% of the world's population in 1970 to 2.0% in 2010 and projected to drop to 1.8% by 2020,

Real surveys and statistics say atheism is on the decline worldwide. Sorry atheists but atheism is not on the rise nor is it winning. It's still the minority and a declining one at that.

The Pew Research Center's statistics show that atheism is expected to continue to decline all the way into 2050 with a continued growth of religion. Other research also shows a huge surge in growth for Christianity in China which is currently the world's most "atheist" nation because of the atheist communist government suppressing religion, the research suggests that China will soon become the world's most Christian nation within 15 years.

This is simply history repeating itself: Christianity prospered in Rome back in the ancient era when it was suppressed and it still grew in the militant atheist soviet Russia when it was suppressed there only a century ago with the majority of Russians today now also identifying as Christian. Just goes to show that atheist suppression of religion still doesn't stop religion.

Sources for the legion of whiny /Redditor/ fedoras that will no doubt show up it this thread:

pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-unaffiliated/
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html
masterrussian.com/russia/facts.htm

Its a tool to weed out redditors

>all people are equal under god
>a baptized nigger can marry your daughter

>religion
>heredity
Nigga what. The households some of these people grow up in in so insanely devout that the practices preached will form part of the victims superego. Literally becoming part of him. Can be broken with hallucinogenics though thank God.

that was sort of the point of the fedora memes, yes

Religion basically accepts humans are suckers for sin and general fuckwits, while athiesm is based on the idea that paradise can be created on earth

>inb4 muh we're all one consciousness
All aboard the jew-age world order train!

And yes I've done psycs

No, It's the next logical step to finding out all religion is from african animism.

wrong

Not a high enough dose apparently.

the problem with atheism is that most people dont replace it with anything and become nihilistic

The whole point is by removing religion, and people having believed in something larger than themselves for literally tens of thousands of years, you need something to fill that void (in the same way that Islam is doing right now as soon as people dump Christianity). What's best to fill that void? Just take a look at how (((Commies))) praise Marx. Marx would be the god and the rest would run down accordingly.
Jewish intelligence is literally a meme, but the euphorics are too enlightened to be able to see it.

So atheism is even more of a meme. How many atheists empires have their been? Zero. Why? Turns out when you tell people to only think about themselves it's impossible to advance forward. It's even more embarrassing when people think atheism is something new that has never been tried. It has exactly the same problems as (((Communism))). It's fucking retarded and completely detrimental to humanity. Who pushes both atheism and Communism? As if you even need to (((ask))).

True, you need a righteous cause or the depression will rip your mind apart.

Albert Pike - 3 world wars makes mention of Atheism being used too.

acid made me a christian, holy grail is the humblest of cups. If you think you can comprehend god you deny his infinite transcendence, if you think you are god well thats the biggest sin of all, meaning transcends you.

>claims to be woke
>muh life is a dream

abrahamic faiths are a tool used to control people, and are largely responsible for most of the things wrong in the world right now

i'm not an atheist, but i can at least respect their efforts to get rid of and their lack of belief in garbage

8/10 would make fuck with

*meaning nothing transcends you

The problem is when you don't really know which religion is the truth and that a lot of religious people are as arrogant and annoying as the fedora tippers. I myself ended up being some kind of "spiritual but not religious" guy having a faith for a god i don't even know.

one would argue that Jewish guy preaching communism is ((their)) weapon

>abrahamic faiths are a tool used to control people, and are largely responsible for most of the things wrong in the world right now

t. highschool freshen

Reminder Stalin was anos atheist and that atheism is a mutilated form of judaism

Imagine being of the sad religiondelusionchristfags that post fedora memes in atheist threads all the time.

*freshmen

No, the weapon to destroy western civilization has been in the making for 2000 years. The first step (Christianity), a completely foreign religion with customs alien to European values, was introduced to Europe to cuck them and teach them tolerance, which, skip to the current year, led to Europeans opening their borders for foreign shitskin hordes whom the Jews will use to start a race war.

Atheism is bad, but atheism is a byproduct of people who've had their own, native religion demonized for literal centuries (like how the Christians persecuted the "pagans"), and have no native religion to return to.

Nigga wat. Spare your words user, I have no desire to debate a broken record.

>implying I'm god

Oh shit don't say atheism is a religion or you'll trigger (((them)))

>Please note, due to the vague nature of mythology, the origins to many of these faiths are estimates

Not an argument

ITT
>bruised egos
The greatest enemy of intellectual debate. Abandon all hope ye who enter here

Theism and atheism can be argued forever but mythical monotheistic religions have nothing to with neither of them. The idea of god is one thing, the idea of a god interacting with mankind through prophets is another.
Why go that far and say beyond a shadow of a doubt? The human experience only includes a very little part of the universe and if it wasn't for our perception there wouldn't be an idea of a god so there wouldn't be a god.

>abrahamic faiths are a tool used to control people
But it's true though. Abrahamic faiths were used to control people. Islam was used to build an empire and Christianity was used for the elites to amass vast wealth and gain influence.
>and are largely responsible for most of the things wrong in the world right now
Are you saying Islam isn't absolute cancer right now?

nah, just being real with you writing off what i say without any actual argument doesn't express the alternate pov well

fact is throughout history empires have used christianity as a tool to control people, abrahamic faiths are destructive to the world look at the state of it and how many of those problems are caused by abrahamic faiths

there's no objective truth to christian morality, it's based on a work of fiction

believers will deny facts and logic and use "faith" to replace reason which makes it effective

it's a division and pacification tool that denies human nature and leads to an easy to control population

Actually, christianity is very nationalistic. Like literally VERY nationalistic. Saying that you should help other does not mean "hey let everyone do whatever they want with you".

The bible even says that god separated the nations, and nations should be separate

Without Christiany or any monopolized absolutist religion todays advancements would never be made. Religion was a great tool to unify people and form giant empires.

Eipa, turn off the luge! electricity isnt free creed.

how convenient that it even says people should be divided, you know what makes people easy to control? division

Christianity is a double edged sword, it can be used for good and evil.

As for the existence of God, the very nature of the divine is inherently unknowable. You can call the bible a work of fiction all you want, and deny the existence of God all you want, but the existential fact is that you can't know until you're dead.

If you think there's really any difference between the politicization of religion and the politicization of science, you're a fucking idiot.

>communism goes with religion
No one can be this retarded... is what i though, but then I remembered that this guy is probably too young to have experienced 9/11 or a world without the Euro.

>Someone said something
>Let's not even consider any facts


>>''X'' BTFO!!!
Atheist does not impede you in any way to find meaning in life, so no. Only Nihilism is the disease to be afraid of.

Bullshit. Europe is great today because of the Roman Empire, not because of Christianity.

Doesnt mean its not objectively wrong to claim god isnt real

>Only Nihilism is the disease to be afraid of.

By fearing the Void you only feed it. You can either turn to a higher power or embrace the Void and turn to absurdism. Or you can jump on the Kierkegaardian Absurdist train and roll with both

Bullshit, you know nothing about history

People != Nations

yes it can be used for good and evil, but it's ultimately a tool used to control people

the existence of a god isn't defined by christianity, i can know objectively the christianity is a work of fiction through historical and scientific facts as well as logic and reason

does that mean there's nothing spiritual? of course not

it just means abrahamic faiths are bullshit

i think the politicization of religion is extremely dangerous because it defies all logic and reason to reach conclusions and belief in a higher power can make people feel ok about doing horrific things in the name of that higher power

I thought Linkara was a theist.

If you go all the way to the atomic level you will see there is certain simple techniques nature follows to keep molecules together. H-bonds are like the cement. It can be used to construct extremely complex structures. You are an unimaginably complicated atomic building existing from the tiniest little biological bricks. Doesnt matter in which form the matter exists. They all follow the same rules. Thats not Chaos. That is Order.

god is still real

if you're talking about theocratic nations I would agree with you. None of that exists in the West for centuries now.

>t's a division and pacification tool that denies human nature and leads to an easy to control population

Indulging in the implulses of human nature makes you much easier to control than religious folks

Most arguments for atheism are brainlet -tier.

But it doesn't matter what the bible says. It's obvious that like 95 percent of Christians never read it. They just think of Jesus as some sort of hippie cunt who's all about turning the other cheek to his enemies and shit.
Christianity may not have been designed to cuck us but this modern idea of it being all about forgiveness and "loving thy neighbor" is definitely cucking us right now.

Yeah, you cannot a negative. The burden of proof is in you, and thus it is worthless to waste time debating something so silly.


>Do magical horses exist?
>Do gain goblins from /fit/ exist?

Stupid questions, are they not?

>You can either turn to a higher power or embrace the Void and turn to absurdist

I don't fear the void, I didn't fall into absurdist and I don't believe in a higher power either. The only thing you're doing right now is admitting you only believe in god to take shelter from the pain of existence. That's not a proof of god.


You can take meaning in many things and be an atheist, it's up to you to find the meaning in your life.

God sucks AIDS dick you fucking little monkey. Do not believe everything you read.

Enjoy eternity in hell, then. And stop arguing against CPU, it's annoying.

true, that I admit it is very true

abrahamic faiths are fictional if that's what you consider "god" then you're wrong

controlling human nature and repressing people makes them easier to control, there's a reason that religion that controls those things to the point of denial and repression has been used to keep people in line rather than one that accepts human nature

Atheism brings degeneracy and decay, you see the results of former commie countries like all those nasty russian sluts who flooded western countries spreading their pussies for money.

>being underage
>having dawkins' balls in his mouth

We are already in hell if you havent noticed. And its my job to subvert your stupid ass so the human race doesnt go the way of the Dodo. Fucking burden.

>Using meaningless insults as counter arguments
>Letting yourself be controlled by your fear instead of maning up and facing reality head on


You are doing a disservice to yourself

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Christianity is a work of fiction. We know that Jesus existed, and, assuming the existence of God, that he quite possibly was the Son of God.

Whether you want to argue that everything in the Bible is fact is a different matter, as like all human stories, it's subject to embellishment and mistranslation. There are books of the bible that aren't actually in the bible, per Church authorities. You'd need to ask a biblical scholar to know more, but the bible certainly isn't fiction. At worst, it's full of embellished and excluded stories.

As for Christianity being used for control, that's nothing unique. All knowledge is power and power is inevitably used for control; the smart taking advantage of the stupid.

Politicization of religion isn't something that's confined to religion. You look at people who blindly follow sciences without actually trying to understand the material and you see the exact same potential for abuse (and in the case of climate change, the actual abuse).

> The only thing you're doing right now is admitting you only believe in god to take shelter from the pain of existence. That's not a proof of god.

I never said it was, do you even know what absurdism is? Absurdism is accepting that there either is no inherent meaning to life OR that there is meaning, but humanity in its current state is incapable of understanding that meaning (like trying to explain quantum physics to an ant).

It's basically accepting you'll never know WHY you are here, but you can create your own why and fulfill that to enjoy your life.

Hell = denial of god

>religion that controls those things to the point of denial and repression

what religion are you talking about here? It certainly doesn't sound like the Christianity or Judaism


>controlling human nature and repressing people makes them easier to control

how so? being a slave to your natural impulses makes you much easier to control. Just look at the blacks and all dem gubment programs.

Well said.

the idea of "degeneracy" based on fictitious moral codes becomes meaningless when you acknowledge that those ideas are only part of a to used to control people rather than any actual sense of "right" and "wrong"

If anything the view of capitalism, democracy, and christianity will destroy western civilization leading us back to a new form of feudalism dominated by corporate oligarchy. Was it not conservative Christians who made a last ditch effort to save Louis XVI from the guillotine?

See

Also with the stipulation that if you were to die and find out there was an afterlife, you could actually know Meaning. But while you're alive, Meaning is generally out of your reach.

Correcting myself, typo, the view of Christianity, capitalism, and democracy Being Synonymous...

>maning up
OY VEY, morality does not come from god, humans are capable of distinguishing between right and wrong themselves.
Stop preaching moral relativism. If there is moral objectivism, it implies that it comes from God.

christianity is a work of fiction, you can call it historical fiction and that still doesn't make it true

i never said the other shit, don't argue against words you're putting in my mouth

of course
what's more inspiring ?
beliving that you are a child of God witch is a begin of infinite knowledge and power
or belive that you are just random begin created because monkey and lolz

i'm talking about both of those religions actually

many black people are christian what are you talking about?

Dont spill all your bluepills at once, retard

I didn't mean to put it that way, of course it's not Christianity to take all the credit. It is up to debate if Europe is great because of the Roman Empire. Indeed, it was the romans who formed the basis of modern Europe but todays advancements and technology mostly depend on industrialization which has a lot to with monotheistic religions.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism
About the unification aspect, ancient religions were locally different so it's less appropriate for absolute monarchisms unlike Christianity and Islam where the clergy also has political power and can amass and deploy people in war and keep them in check in peace. That's why they won against old religions. Monotheistic religions are great unifiers.