>New York State has passed legislation that would create the largest experiment in the country to offer free tuition at two- and four-year colleges. The Excelsior Scholarship, approved over the weekend as part of the state budget, would cover full-time students in the State University of New York system, which totals 64 campuses and 1.3 million students.
>New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, appeared with Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and state education leaders in an event hailing the new program, which would begin this fall and is estimated to cost $163 million per year.
>Students from families making up to $100,000 a year would be eligible in the program's first year, and by the third year that would increase to $125,000 a year.
This is new york. Every family is making $500,000 to survive. This makes no sense. $100,000k is like $10,000k in your shithole city.
Robert Morales
>costs 163 million a year for 1.3 million students
So NY public university tuition is $100 a year?
Blake Flores
>Students from families making up to $100,000 a year would be eligible in the program's first year, and by the third year that would increase to $125,000 a year
So, it's not "free"
Bernie deserves the rope
Matthew Morgan
>Sup Forums will be against this Of course. All this will lead to is declining standards and degrees becoming even more worthless than they are now.
Christian Perry
Free college >teachers will work for free >janitors will work for free >electricity, gas, internet will be provided for free by the utilities >paper, pens, computers, light bulbs will be provided for free by companies
>free >not free
Landon Lee
As someone living in New York with a family making a little under 125k, this is not correct.
Andrew Reed
This. College is getting watered down as fuck and the prices are over inflated. Why the fuck do you want to open up the flood gates to it? This is just liberals trying to feed their propaganda centers.
Nathan Jackson
poorfag detected
Lincoln Barnes
Yes my family is. They still managed to put me through college and live in a good area by being smart with personal finances and some luck along the way.
Logan Jackson
College is just overpriced daycare for young 'adults'. It's fucked anyway, might as well try something crazy to fix it.
Nathaniel Williams
>cost $163 million per year.
(((free)))
Evan Bailey
You realize that 60% of the states population is outside NYC right? 125k is actually upper middle class in most counties
Logan Evans
Your opinions dont matter. you live in poverty thats why you require gibsmedat like this thing. Go be a nigger somewhere else.
Ethan Bennett
That 60% dont matter. They will never become anything of worth.
Benjamin Butler
I'm already through college and make much more than my parents, friendo. Even when I was though, no gibbs were had. I can almost guarantee my current employment is more prestigious than yours.
Nolan Collins
It's watered down deliberately so that more people can attend. More """customers""", more profit.
It's a race to the bottom at this stage. In fact, at some point employers are going to start looking at people who spent money getting degrees as the stupid ones.
Adam Barnes
Blah blah blah poor fag nigger
Colton Bennett
Kek, you have no idea how the university uses funds. If anything, they will rid of the bloated administration staff made if mostly women who sit at a desk and do nothing but use the copier every now and then and play Candy Crush. washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/septoct-2011/administrators-ate-my-tuition/
Also, buildings are made as modern effigy to rich alumni, while actual classrooms and labs are pitifully funded.
Get rid of non essential staff and reduce gender studies degrees to just one course part of a sociology.
I say restructure the entirety of the university system. Decide if it is a place of higher learning or job training. If the latter, some engineering programs have it right. General education the first 3-4 years, paid internships from companies seeking to hire.
If the former should be the reason for the university to exist (which is my opinion) stricter scrutiny on admissions as far as WHY the person wants to enter the university. Not just that they scored well on some arbitrary test and volunteered at a soup kitchen.
It is a double edged sword, because the job market also encourages degree factories for absurd requirements for "4 year degree in something, doesn't matter what" when in actuality trade training type curriculum works for most jobs.
Lincoln Cook
Are you trying to be as bad as a leaf?
Logan Moore
>Pol will be against this
Why exactly? I see no harm in this.
Luke Perez
Yeah, you really BTFO me. I am BTFO.
>you have no idea how the university uses funds I made no reference to how universities internally distribute students' attendance fees.
It's very simple, user. Adjusted for inflation, what was the cost of attending university 50 years ago as a multiple of the average income?
And with what level of knowledge were graduating students leaving university?
Prices are through the roof. Standards are in the gutter, and sinking lower.
Logan Smith
I didn't disagree, but even free tuition won't take away the professor's paltry pay, nor ruin labs, because labs are already ruined except if some professor cares enough to use his time to get a grant in something not related to his research to gain materials for his undergraduate students (one of my professors had to do this in genetics lab, because they were essentially reducing labs to computer simulated programs the student used, not actual hands on anything)
Back in the 70s my father could work a summer job and pay his tuition and fees entirely with that. No grants or scholarships needed. cei.org/blog/mind-boggling-increase-tuition-1960-even-students-learn-less-and-less >For example, law school tuition has risen nearly 1,000 percent after adjusting for inflation: around 1960, "median annual tuition and fees at private law schools was $475 ... adjusted for inflation, that's $3,419 in 2011 dollars. Meaning annual tuition for fucking law school should be (adjusting for actual inflation) about as much as the meal tickets students are forced to purchase on campus, and isn't even 1/5 of most public undergraduate in state tuition.
Michael Anderson
It's another handout for niggers and illegals. It boils down to something like 400$ a semester. >Free college
Christian Flores
Lol suny and cuny schools are mostly garbage party schools. They just want more idiots for their brainwashing facilities
Michael Harris
It just devalues New York college diplomas. I don't see the point if they don't also fund the campuses and teachers in charge of teaching them.
Students get less education, too many students will enter the workforce and employers cannot find the skill they need because students weren't taught enough.
Brody Campbell
I guess mass teaching is the reason lowering expenses, kinda like line production.
