Official thread to discuss rant/about ultra-far right, nrx, lifestyle etc.
Suggestions to become less degenerate are appreciated.
I recently found this sphere of the web andwanted to know if anyone on pol reads these kinds of blogs
Start here: socialmatter.net
Other urls found in this thread:
youtube.com
thefutureprimaeval.net
neociceroniantimes.wordpress.com
voegelinview.com
unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com
xenosystems.net
xenosystems.net
thedarkenlightenment.com
unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com
xenosystems.net
slatestarcodex.com
twitter.com
guise?
are you all leftists now?
We don't have enough of these threads anymore.
Sadly I can't contribute too much. Still reading moldbug.
Thanks for the link. Some interesting reading.
read the ones by mark yuray. the guy has got to be the smartest right-wing commentator on the internet today. I dont know how this isnt more trafficked.
Yeah, just reading the one about the Clash of Civilizations because I've read the book as well.
(((nrx)))
Just picked this pic related the other day. Carlyle is one of Moldbug's favorite authors. He actually named his daughter after the guy. Gotta say it's pretty interesting so far and is pretty relevant to the times.
>I dont know how this isnt more trafficked
I don't the average Sup Forums user would like neoreaction. At least not neoreaction as described by Moldbug or Land.
thanks!
I know he was really into carlyle but i never took the leap in.
The "mannerbund" series was very redpilling. havent read the civs one yet.
why not?
basically alt-right but focused on more broad social concerns (rather than race, which is mostly a distraction). its the only sphere of thought that really considers all the red pills.
thefutureprimaeval.net is much better than socialmatter.
additional reading, this one caught my attention and hits on a really widespread, unspoken source of disarray.
Is homosexuality implicitly allowed in the nrx world?
>rather than race, which is mostly a distraction
That's exactly why. Anything short of an ethnostate is considered a kike conspiracy around here. If you showed the average Sup Forums user the Moldbug post on why he's not a white nationalist, I guarantee you they will never take him seriously again.
Nick Land was talking about this on twitter recently. Neoreaction is a trichotomy consisting of traditionalists, ethnonationalists, and technocapitalists, but recently the traditionalists and ethnonationalists have been jumping ship. Now they mainly associate with the alt-right. Neoreaction defined as the pushing for neocameralist-patchwork government is on the downswing right now.
are they both the same organization?
neoreactionarymap.blogspot.tw
This link ^ is an index of all NRX/alt-right/dark enlightenment blogs. indexed by specialty/topic.
kind of fun to read a new perspective on progressivism at its most fundamental level. I realize i've been conditioned all my life to equate christian values and american tradition with progressivism, when that really couldnt be further from the truth.
Everything is allowed in a patchwork society. It just depends on where you choose to live.
Reactionaries are responsible for the most global deaths and wars on the planet.
Allowed, but you must be 100% loyal to the objective of the ideology, which would probably involve delegitimization of any non-traditional marriage on a social level.
but what you do privately is your own concern assuming you are an upstanding person who promotes morality/civility. The greeks fucked each other in the ass like no other, but put their duty/roles ahead of it (which modern progressivism would not understand)
I was only wondering based on who Moldbug is.
Is this similar to Hoppe's covenant communities? I havent read into nrx
>what is socialism( all wars since 1950)
>what is progressive late-stage capitalism (middle east destabilization)
Objective of the nrx ideology? Doesnt that contradict this
I'm not familiar with Hoppe's covenant communities. I'd really recommend reading Moldbug. It's probably the best reactionary writing of the last 50 years. If you're interested you should start with this.
unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com
The moldbug idea , it would contradict.
the christian trad/neo-monarchy kind of thinking it would fit with.
"Patchwork" is the official "ideology" but most of the bloggers tend to attack the idea of modernity from a moral standpoint. In moldbug's society, gays would have a gay mecca that rivals dubai in exuberance and wealth but the muslim superstate next door would be free to execute them with no consequences if they tresspassed . Should have said "loyalty to YOUR particular patchwork state/ideology"
This link sheds some light on it.
>nydwracu (23/03/2014 at 6:47 pm): Neocameralism doesn’t answer questions like that [on the specifics of social organization]; instead, it’s a mechanism for answering questions like that. … You can ask, “is Coke considered better than RC Cola?”, or you can institute capitalism and find out. You can ask, “are ethno-nationalist states considered better than mixed states?”, or you can institute the patchwork and find out. …
>RiverC (23/03/2014 at 3:44 am): Neo-cameralism is, if viewed in this light, a ‘political system system’, it is not a political system but a system for implementing political systems. Of course the same guy who came up with it also invented an operating system (a system for implementing software systems.)
Forgot link.
xenosystems.net
This is also a good link
xenosystems.net
In my opinion Nick Land is the greatest mind on the right today. The man was a philosophy professor at the University of Warwick. He was actually idolized by many on the far left, and many still revere his early writings. The legend is that he went through a bout of amphetamine psychosis, quit his job, and moved to Shanghai where he started to contribute to the far right reactionary movement.
thedarkenlightenment.com
For a fictional imagination of what "patchwork" would look like, id reccomend reading the first two chapters of Neal Stephensons "Snow Crash"
It explores hwat a day in a patchwork/distributed republic looks like from the perspective of a pizza delivery driver. kind of funny, kind of awe-inspiring
I like this stuff. It seems like there are some logical inconsistencies that would emerge moldbugs neo-cameralism particularly in the legal/ethics subset, i need to take the time to read what you linked me and maybe it will clear up any issues. Are their any starting axioms for these theories? The neo-monarchy/trad seems more self explanatory.
I read it. It consisted of little more than the assertion that it's unrealistic. At least he rejected the moralizing.
a big assumption (sort of based on moldbugs faith in the future advancements in cryptography, which he is actually working on with his OS) is that governments will not be hijacked or overthrown, and that there will be sufficient deterrence and (primarily economic) non-aggression incentives in place to prevent one state/soverign corporation from blasting away another one. He thinks if you can make ownership and governance cryptographically secure and ensure that any "rouge state" who breaches the NAP guarenteed to be unprofitable/inviable, there will be a suprisingly small amount of conflict (even compared to today's world. so the assumptions are not too far from the ancap way of thinking, which sort of makes me skeptical but I agree it may be more realistic as tech/transparency increases in sophistication.
Honestly your best bet is to just read moldbug. The open letter i linked is a good place to get an overview of neoreaction, but if you're interested in the specifics of neocameralism, this is more succinct.
unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com
Moldbug is to modern reaction what Marx is to Socialism.
You summed that up very nicely.
this would be great but it will contradict the logical conclusion of democracy/welfare/socialism. Its relying on a deus ex machina to solve that.
Its kind of funny reading/thinking of moldbugs ideas anthropologically. His is the only tenable right wing theory that would come out of the bay area technocrat/silicon valley culture.
incompetent creator of a fallacious and illogical theory based on self refuting axioms?
thank you.
To be honest, i had a lot of doubt whether this could ever be done but with the decentralization of computing that we forget is growing closer every day, I dont think it is entirely out of the question in the next 100 years.
You also have to consider post-scarcity economic scenarios. with everything from cancer surgery to farming quickly becoming something you could have a robot do in a (sufficiently sterile ) garage,we are probably no more than 100-150 years away from only basing hwer we live off of the kind of society/laws/culture we want to live in (as everything else will be an abundant commodity. Food is cheaper than ever, even adjusted for inflation, and I can see more goods becoming commodities as we become more efficient, telecommuting increases, light AI comes of age, and renewable energy becomes common. you really wont have to choose where you live based on economy or natural resources as we do now. The only major factors will be civil considerations, and Patchwork would be far,far, more sensible than a macrostate that tries and fails to meet the wishes of 100M-1B people of all backgrounds.
but who knows if that is all a bunch of naivete
mind explaining what logical conclusion it contradicts?
certainly open to debunking any of his claims
democracy -> welfarism -> socialism -> collapse
i cant think of an example of this going in reverse
Regardless of how you feel about communism/socialism, you can't deny that Marx was a smart guy. I think communism is a dumpster fire of a political system, but at the same time I think Marx's historical materialism can be a useful tool for looking at things.
This is slightly unrelated, but have you read "Meditations on Moloch"?
Most in the Nrx sphere dont object to collapse being inevitable. More of a "rise from the ashes" mentality than anything, unless some huge breakthrough or unforseen social event happens, but I agree that probably wouldnt stop progressivism from its path until it burns itself out (collapse)
Is that you Marco?
nevermind, thought you were dissing moldbug but you were talking about marx.
I have not, TLDR?
or is it short
I think Moldbug will resonate more strongly with the growing libertarian fraction of Sup Forums. They just need to experience a little disillusionment.
patchwork seems like the only way libertarianism will ever come to fruition without requiring someone to build a colony from scratch in one of the shittier parts of the world.
i think many of them would adopt it if it didnt involve this whole neo-feudalist sort of vibe
It's actually very long, but it's an incredible read. Your comment on the post scarcity society reminded me of it. It's basically about the incentive structures that arise around us and how those structures compel us to behave in ways that aren't in line with humanistic values. He toys with the idea of a society that is so automated that there is no longer any need for people below a certain skill level. Eventually an incentive structure might arise where letting the economically useless underclass starve to death would be the best option in spite of the abundance of resources. It's a small part of the essay, but it's a part that stuck with me.
Marx was trash in all ways but in his ability to create a highly pathological system of belief. Undoubtedly related to a certain (((verbal iq))). Given that he did not work and lived like a parasite on his Engles.
I hope in that case nrx is able to preemptively remove progressives so to speak, so that it is unable to reinstate itself once again to destroy civilization.
nothing in particular against moldbug. would trade from a distance with.
marx however, no tolerance or apathy.
How much Marx have you read?
ill have to check it out, thanks!
ive read more refutations of marx than marx himself has written. Given I assume even he understood he was trash by the end of das capital.
post scarcity cannot exist. first logically, second physically, 3rd biologically. unless this is just a thought experiment.
I dont really understand the philosophical origin for nrx.
healthcare, food, housing, etc could all cost next to nothing in the very long run
>ive read more refutations of marx than marx himself has written.
So you haven't read anything he wrote. Gotcha.
>post scarcity cannot exist. first logically, second physically, 3rd biologically. unless this is just a thought experiment.
"Meditations on Moloch" isn't nrx and it was a thought experiment. The blog on which it was written is actually a centrist blog that also wrote a very long refutation of nrx ideology. I'd recommend checking it out, actually. It's pretty great.
As for the philosophical origin for nrx, I personally subscribe to the Nick Land variation of nrx, so this is the explanation I like.
xenosystems.net
>Neoreaction is also a species of reactionary political analysis, inheriting a deep suspicion of ‘progress’ in its ideological usage. It accepts that the dominant sociopolitical order of the world has ‘progressed’ solely on the condition that such advance, or relentless forward movement, is entirely stripped of moral endorsement, and is in fact bound to a primary association with worsening. The model is that of a progressive disease.
Essentially the societal "progress" we've seen post-enlightenment is actually societal decay masked by technological advancement.
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leaf REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Marx's historical way of looking at things
It was neoreaction that, I think, led me to /pol. I eventually left it behind, but I still think it's valuable as an alternative way of looking at the world. I liked the way moldbug equated the progressivist way of looking at things to a religion - "the Cathedral" and sexism/racism as "heresy" for example. It made sense.
Like Marxism, though, it's an interesting take on things that turns to crap as soon as you try to apply it to contemporary life. It's just not workable. Kings and commissars would act like pigs. We all know they would, because they did.
Manifesto and Das Kapital
equivelent to nothing
I appreciate you taking the time to link me all this all i had before was a few shitty reddit links.
I will read more since im not communicating what i want to know very clearly.
man is never on the better side of time. cosmic issues, mathusian traps, and pandemic/cosmic issues will have us fighting for survival and if not we will go the way of behavioral sink.
slatestarcodex.com
Has NRx ever recovered from this?
fuck off mongrel
this is a leaf thread now
You best start believing in revisionist history, you're living in one
That's one of the comfiest places I've ever seen
>cosmic issues, mathusian traps, and pandemic/cosmic issues
Those are essentially what NRx calls "Gnon".
Rudyard Kipling called them the Gods of the Copybook Headings.
>When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
>They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
>But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
>And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."
>On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
>(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
>Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
>And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."
>In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
>By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
>But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
>And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."
Mencius Moldbug's political thought is extremely interesting and novel. He has some very incisive observations on the way modern society and the intellectual sphere functions, why people think the things they do, why the political centre is always drifting left, etc. But IMO he focuses too much on superficialities. His philosophy is basically aimed at creating stability, peace, and good and strong government. Like his ideal state is basically Singapore.
The real problem of the modern era isn't the way our government is run, it's a deep-seated spiritual sickness and emptiness, lack of values and anomie. Moldbug doesn't really touch on what's essential
> the smartest right-wing commentator on the internet today.
That, my friends, is what they call "damning with faint praise."