Get informed

If you are actually interested in understanding the West as it currently stands you should start with doing these 4 things:

1. Read about Enlightenment philosophers and Capitalism.
2. Read about the 1789 French Revolution.
3. Read about Marxism and Socialism.
4. Read about the 1917 Russian Revolution.

Without knowledge of these two revolutions and the ideas associated with them you can't possibly make sense of the West in any meaningful way. Sadly, there are too many people who love to give their thoughts on the subject who haven't even learned any details about these topics.

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people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/MarrOfHeaven&HellBlake1790.pdf
youtube.com/watch?v=iOk6HB609po
revolutionspodcast.com/2014/07/31-the-three-estates-.html
youtu.be/zh2ofRqEX3w
drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8ywa01FmhL4V3lkOFd0ZG9Genc?usp=sharing
press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7705.html
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

If you had to recommend me a single book, which one would it be?

Le Suicide

Don't you think the American independance and secession wars are relevant?
The shifts of the democratic party (being the party of racism) since the creation of your miserable Federation.

Also what you say is true, America since the XXth century has be the BIGGEST influence on the western world.

Although what you say is true, America since the XXth century has been the BIGGEST influence on the western world.*

Sry I was off for a sec.

Do not joke with the war, fuck. There are other guys here. This is not Iraq, it is not Afghanistan. Donald, your soldiers will be torn to pieces. This is 1 million selective soldiers of North Korea whore! They'll blow it all! They will pass the entire Atlantic in one hour! They will blow up all your destroyers, all your journalists, diplomats. Donald, you are a cowboy. Stop, fuck, you're done, you need to put the cartridges away in the warehouse. And forget about your woman. We had one asshole, consulted with his woman, she brought what the devil into the house, whore - and the great Russian empire collapsed. And another eccentric was, obeyed his woman - and the Soviet Union collapsed. And you will repeat the same mistake. You forget the woman, your woman has worked her, fuck. Think about the future of America: it is dying! Your young people are fleeing from your country. There nobody wants to live, in America, no one! You have a flea market, fuck! Dollar, dollar, dollar! It's ... a dirty green piece of paper, whore! No soul, no fucking, no music with you, no writers from you! The whole world listens to Tchaikovsky, Dostoevsky, whore. Festivals, sports - only Russia, whore. And Russia is here - Syria and North Korea! Here they love the president, and they despise you, fuck, despise! Your predecessor, whore - Clinton, whore, - he opened his pants right in his office! It's absolutely necessary to fuck off, damn it, so that some whore, in the office of the head of state, sucked him! Is this America ?! You fucked long ago, fuck! What are you doing, damn ?! Monica, fuck! What the fuck is the president ?! What war ?! What Middle East, whore ?! The blowjobs are fucking fucking! Onanists, pidaras, whores!

>These things define the West
>Jewish memes
The enlightenment was concentrated cancer. Northern Autism can't handle ideas based off of intellectual high cultures, you're all too fucking violent and robotic.

Who is she? Btw Im a time traveller I helped kill French nobles in the rev but many of my memories were wiped.

>Get commie indoctrination
No thanks, famalamadingdong.

The True Redpill:

1. Read The Turner Diaries
2. Read Mein Kampf
3. Read The Decline of the West
4, Read William Blake's The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

Here's a good pdf of #4, because it's not a simple matter of text. It's artwork. people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/MarrOfHeaven&HellBlake1790.pdf

Can't I just watch animal farm

>teaches you the only lesson you'll ever need in life

"Ein kurtzweilig Lesen von Dyl Ulenspiegel, geboren uß dem Land zu Brunßwick, wie er sein leben volbracht hat …"

This is the best book.

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Immanuel Kant what is enlightenment
Rosseau social contract
Adam smith The Wealth of Nations

Since there isn't a good book which covers all those topics in much details I would recommend you something that might get you hooked and cause you to look for more books on your own. Sophie's World would fit that I think. It's basically a general introduction to philosophy in a chronological order told through a fictional story.

Reading about Enlightenment philosophy would provide a good background for American Independence.

The 1917 revolution was the most important event of the 20th century. Just because you do not agree with the ideals the revolutionaries believed in doesn't mean you shouldn't understand the event inside and out. It is not indoctrination to learn about people you disagree with. This has nothing to do with getting "redpilled", it's about getting informed. I'm not asking people to take a certain position on the two revolutions I mentioned, I'm just asking them to learn about them.

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These guys are totally redpilled ansmd probably rise from their grave seeing how pathetic the western world today

>Without knowledge of these two revolutions and the ideas associated with them you can't possibly make sense of the West in any meaningful way.

That is absolutely untrue. You're either a philistine or have absolutely no intuitive intelligence.

How is it untrue?

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You know what's more important than learning about the American revolution and civil war (despite the fact that those things are shoved down the throats of all Americans from childhood). de Tocqueville. Because the French perspective of the American experiment is so incredibly valuable that it actually teaches us what we are.

No, bitch..

You are selecting a classical Marxist canon in oder to make your historical goal seem to be the only logical interpretation of history. You define the West completely in terms of the enlightenment and subsequent eras, completely ignoring over 1000 years of the history of the West.

>Hurr durr, the proletarian revolution is the natural successor to the bourgeoisie's revolution after the enlightenment.
>Let's tell the goys to read only about the revolution we did and the revolution that we imitate so that they can't help to see it from our perspective.

Agreed. I'm also worried about South Korea. How come no one else is talking about them? Kim Fatty the Third would not hesitate to turn their country into a giant crater if either we or China invaded Pyongyang

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Fuck all of that bullshit, I am here for the qt jap girl. Who is she?

how is it true?

i know the answers to both questions but im not wasting time typing up an essay when you are the one with the supposed knowledge.

back up your claims

people have been saying this once a year when north korea has their annual fit

This.

Frogs played a vital role in the American Revolution. When they returned home they said fuck this shit and tried for themselves. After some serious carnage and BTFOing of other European countries it started a massive shift in power structures that continued up to WWI.

>Immanuel Kant

Ethics always falls short of reality though. Not to say it has no value.

More Sup Forumscore readings to be woke as fuck.

1) St. John Chrysostom's Adversus Judeos (look online, an English Translation shouldn't be hard to find)

2) Martin Luther's On the Jews and their Lies

3) Richard Wagner's Das Judenthum in der Musik (aka Jewishness in Music)

4) Henry Ford's The International Jew

Any sauce on pic? I would like to impregnate her by proxy via touching my pee pee.

You aren't reading into my intentions accurately at all. In fact, I don't see how you came up with what you said in that greentext one bit.

>You define the West completely in terms of the enlightenment and subsequent eras, completely ignoring over 1000 years of the history of the West.
In my original post I made clear that I am talking about the West as it currently stands. As it stands liberalism and socialist positions are the two most influential lines of thought in the West. Learning about other historical topics would obviously provide people with a rich understanding of the West... but not as it currently stands.

Read the rest of this post. ^

>2) Martin Luther's On the Jews and their Lies


I still find it facinating that the basis of modern secular Europe, which led to the Enlightenment and other such amazing things like the Scientific and Industrial Revolution could have never happened without a kraut calling out religion for its piety and BTFO the jews at the same time.

user that's not it at all. The Marquis de Lafayette was a damn royalist. He only begrudgingly became a republican, and in the end the Jacobins caught him trying to flee as an emigree and threw him into a prison for years where nearly starved and froze to death because French prisons required the prisoners to pay for their own food and heating fuel! (George Washington personally saved Lafayette by convincing congress to pass a bill to pay him his backpay from the war first).

No, the French Revolution was really about money. The King spent too much funding the American Revolution, and the people didn't believe him. They saw him eating lavish meals at Versailles, while they had to pay a tax on salt that caused them all to nearly starve to death.

Best Korea has those fits so often because they want to desensitize everyone else to them. That way when they actually want to attack no one will be ready for it.

>No, the French Revolution was really about money.
It was, but France had been playing with fire by supporting an insurgency in the British colonies based on and exploiting the British tradition of representative government. There have always been rebellions but very few rebellions are ambitious enough to envision a reorganization of how society should work.

youtube.com/watch?v=iOk6HB609po

tfw evolutionary psychology explains entire human history

That's a more broad interpretation of the American Revolution than is warranted. The colonists didn't want to revolt at all, much less reorder society. It was just that by 1776 they looked around and found that they had already essentially been in a state of war for 3 years, so they might as fucking well make it official.

The French, on the other hand, were completely taken in by the lies of Jacques Necker, who swore that of course the kingdom could afford the war. They never recovered from that. Ever. And the people didn't believe the truth, which is that actually the kingdom was poor as fuck.

It's amazing the arrogance of people to read something like Capital or Communist Manifesto, without reading philosophers that Karl would have read: Mainly the Englightenment philosophers.

>The colonists didn't want to revolt at all, much less reorder society
They didn't have to reorder society. There was no existing aristocracy in the American colonies, so a society governed by the merchant class and the wealth landowners was pretty much ready from the start. That's also why there wasn't a revolutionary terror in the early USA.

omg he can't even speak German, I don't know what's funny about this, politics is serious buisness, peoples lives are at stake

You sound like an idiot in the way you present your tastes in literature. Knowledge subverts the weak but is absorbed by the strong. Other than that good picks.

*braaaaaaaap*

In the OP pic

That is actually a boy.

I've seen the pics. Thic hips and very feminine penis. We're talking 2inches here.

There are people here who seriously haven't learned in school about any of those things? Fucking americans I swear...

revolutionspodcast.com/2014/07/31-the-three-estates-.html

By the guy who did the History of Rome podcast (also good). He covers the first French revolution up to Napoleon.

Just take 1 hour and watch this video from 1969.

Shit forgot the link. Fuck!

youtu.be/zh2ofRqEX3w

The French and Russian revolutions are entirely glossed over throughout grade school in America believe it or not.

Le Terreur didn't come from lack of control by a landed elite, though. It was produced by political power struggles, and one group (the leftist Jacobins) deciding to off their opponents rather than argue with them. Which is actually a very liberal thing to do. Look at how easily modern SJWs justify violence towards people who disagree with their ideology.

And anyway, as sadly must be repeatedly pointed out in any conversation about the French revolution, le Terreur in Paris was FAR smaller of an atrocity than the genocide of counter revolutionaries in the Vendee.

I love Mike Duncan, and actually almost recommended the same thing to that user, but he asked for a book not a podcast.

Duncan screwed the pooch on the Haitian Revolution, though. He is right to point out, on the other hand, that is the only example of a successful slave revolt in all of human history. He falls short on drawing the obvious parallels between the pre revolutionary racial rhetoric the blacks used in Haiti and today's black rhetoric in America.

You all really just need to take an hour and watch the video so I'm including a picture of Tay on this post to catch your eye to convince you to watch it.

Hiroko Sato

The doctor who does this video may be a brilliant man, but he's not very good at documentary movie making. His editing builds and destroys tension rapidly back and forth, and his lighting is something that even a student cinematographer would reject. For instance, he mixes natural and artificial light, and shoots an open window with sunlight flooding in as a background for an interview. His green screen is also obvious, and his costume doesn't fit.

Honestly this is an /x/ tier video.

Yeah, but audio is such a more convenient format, the OP may not be that fussy, plus he is not the only one reading this thread.

Duncan is good, but he is a 'normie', I would never have expected him to really draw any parallels to the Haitian revolution and modern blacks that could in anyway be seen as negative. However even in his slightly apologist tone for the white genocide there made me a little more racist, since I had never heard a single negative thing about the Hatian revolution till that point.

>I had never heard a single negative thing about the Hatian revolution

>thinking a jew and a jew-lover would even remotely do that lol

What's your point?

sometimes I wonder if Jordan Peterson posts on Sup Forums.
Do you think he would post azn semi-nudes?

That the blacks were beyond brutal, and it's a travesty you had that covered up.

This is why Sup Forums must exist. The normies know they're hiding things. They do it anyway because they think it makes the world better, but it doesn't.

lol.

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Look at this screenshot. Where is the light coming from on the subject. Where is it coming from in the green screened background? What is the relationship of the subject to the background? Of all background images in the world to choose, why was that one picked? Look at his collar. It sags. It should be tight around his neck, but it's too big. His tie is loose and doesn't fit either, because the collar is too big. The picture can't show it, but the music is sinister the whole way through. There's no chance for the audience to breathe. They're being drowned in negativity the entire time by the sound track. It doesn't slowly reveal and build tension in any way, but dials it up to 100% and leaves it there the whole time.

This is not a video for prime time.

this

So what is free will?

The holy bible.
>you don't really need to take it seriously or believe it's 100% truth, just know that some very smart philosophers put there blood sweat and tears into it to quell the tide of degeneracy like polygamy, homosexuality, murder, etc. and maybe you'll learn a thing or two about human nature or some bullshit like that.
>read the whole thing unabridged, and pay close attention to everything.

I agree.

The worst thing isn't the actually revolution being covered up, it's the context that gives to the whole 19th century emancipation debate. Without knowing about the Haitian revolution whites being afraid or reluctant to free slaves can (and was to me) be spun as paranoia, racism, looking for excuses etc. When you know about Haiti everything changes.

You are weak. Your bloodline will be made muddy by your own racemixing desires. I know you can't claim much racial purity with your Brazilian heritage, but maybe there is some benefit to keeping with your own kind...

For all you redpilled folks

>drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8ywa01FmhL4V3lkOFd0ZG9Genc?usp=sharing

this book is actually really good for the 1st chapter and the last 2-3 chapters. postmodernism is the source of SJWs, and SJWs hate everything about the enlightenment because of it. the first chapter is free online:

press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7705.html

TL;DR SJW ideology is remarkably similar to the nazis because it is directly dirived from nazi philosophers, but contorted for leftist ends. both the far right, and the far left hate the enlightenment because it gave the world freedom, democracy, technology, and science. they use each other ideas, to kill freedom because they are assholes

Well, maybe it's different in bongistan than in the American south, but I learned fairly early on about American parallels with antiquity. The Antebellum Southerners had classical educations (at least the wealthy, or in other words, the slave owners). They knew of, for instance, the Spartan Helots, and how Sparta was as militarized as it was because the Spartans had to be able to fight off a revolt from their slaves who badly outnumbered them. Well, Slaves outnumbered their owners in America, too. That's where the brutality really comes from. An idea from antiquity about how to discourage a slave revolt.

You dumb bastard. That's not even the video I linked.

True. I mixed up my threads.

I forgive you.

"because they are assholes" is an unsatisfying motivation, and likely quite far from the truth.

That said, horseshoe theory is retarded and obviously wrong. You are no more a good person for having """moderate""" opinions than SJWs are good people for having the opinions they have. Nor are SJWs the same thing as the far right, which they quite obviously oppose.

you are factually incorrect
postmodernism takes alot of its ideas directly from people who were members of the nazi party, like martin heideggar, or other nazi sympathizers, paul deman, marice blanchot, george bataille, etc

the left started to use counter enlightenment ideas to attack democracy/freedom because the far right had been developing counter enlightenment for over 200 years

read the chapter, im serious

You're a good guy user

The only book you NEED to read is Thomas Sowell's basic economics.

The Qur'an

Wouldn't it be better to remember what the US was before?

Read Thomas Paine common sense -> Declaration of Independence -> US Constitution(Constitutional Representative Republic) -> Bill of Rights.

In that order to understand what Americanism is.

Americanism simplified: When the individual does what is best for himself and his community, everyone benefits, including the individual. You can't put the individual first or the community first, because they are one, they are "the people."

The ruling class by gaetano mosca

I like you. Try to post something they should read every day. Everything on that list is a good read.