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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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Anarchist Communism is better tho. That's what Orwell fought for after all

This

The universalists, the idealists, the utopians all aim too high. They give promises of an unattainable paradise, and by doing so they deceive mankind. Whatever label they wear, whether they call themselves Christians, Communists, humanitarians, whether they are merely sincere but stupid or wire-pullers and cynics, they are all makers of slaves.

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Daily reminder all communists will be flayed and hung from the tallest tree

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fuck off spaniard you ideologie suck and you get btfod everday fukwit die.
not bumoing your filthy commie ass clown

parsley .... rosmary and thyme

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
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gommies.gom/1984/
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gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
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gommies.gom/benis/

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>give me your redpills /leftypol/
Specifically, the work you do is always worth more than what you are paid, because the capitalist can sell whatever it is you produce for more than you were paid in wages. The productive forces of our society are controlled by a tiny elite instead of by the people, so what ends up happening is that millions of proles sweat their lives away while the porky bastards windsurf in Hawaii.
To put it in terms you might be more familiar with, capitalists are the ultimate welfare queens.
>my stance on hatred of jews and niggers will never change.
To say that your position on any topic will never change is to declare yourself to be beyond reason. That said, those "jews" and "evil niggers" are your natural allies regardless of what you think about them, because they are being exploited just like you are. The leftist position on racism is as much about pragmatism as it is about a commitment to equality.

The basic gist is that capitalism is inherintly broken.
Companies want to make as much money as possible which means paying works the smallest amount possible.
Eventually workers can't afford to buy things, meaning the whole system collapses.
Currently with automation we are going to see a huge loss of jobs that will make the concept of full employment obsolete - so who is going to buy things?
Communism isn't some grand fucking conspiracy about race or western civilisation - its just a question of economics.

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Stop posting this you fucking spanish wop

Sometimes i think that this is legitimately a bot.

Reminder:

Communism is for betafag virgins like pic related.

The bourgeoisie are the class which owns the means of production but does not use them
you can think of the means of production as anything 'used' to generate profit e.g. a factory, a shop, a car, machinery, etc
if you own means of production but are self-employed, and do not employ anyone else, then you are not bourgeois
if you do not literally own means of production but in effect control it, you are bourgeois (e.g. CEOs who do not literally own their companies, but as they run the company they 'own' it in the sense that they decide what is done with it, they decide their own wages, etc)
a good litmus test:
''1. do you work for a wage?
2. do you get to decide your wage?
3. do you get to decide anyone else's wage?''
if yes to 1 but not to 2 or 3, you are not bourgeois
if yes to 1 and 2 but not to 3, you are petit-bourgeois
if yes to all three, you are in effect bourgeois
if you do not work for a wage at all, but rather own the means of production directly, then you are absolutely bourgeois

If you own a small shop that you run for a living making 50k USD a year you are petite bourgois. If you are a heart surgeon making 150k USD a year but you work for a hospital and you aren't in charge of hiring of firing anyone you are fully proletarian. Labour aristocracy maybe but still proletarian.
It is not a question of income, but a question of ones relationship to the means of production.

/leftypol/ raid

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I never actually mean this but i do in your case. KYS

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>beta fag virgins

Do you privately own means of production?

reminder that the Spic that starts these threads is an obese NEET that still lives with his mom CONFIRMED (we have pics)

a laptop?

COMMUNISM IS MURDER
RESIST!

All these posts and not one single actual argument.

Ha, you capitalist retards are really pathetic

also

>gloating over pictures of rich people using prostitutes

I thought this was the anti degeneracy board? But hookers are okay and funny? Seems like you're all faggots to me but what do I know I'm just a silly commie

do you charge people to use your laptop?

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Hello cucks. This general is for the discussion of Cuckoldry, the ideology of revolutionary open relationships and sexual desire.

Cuckoldry is the next stage of relationship following the monogamy.

What exactly is cuckoldry according to cucks:

>Cuckoldry is a stage of relationship in which the reproductive means of the wife are bull-owned, and husband gets to bed not in order to have sex with her but to prep the bull.
>Cuckoldry in it's full form is a pleasurably degrading, bull-worshipping relationship that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a relationship cuckoldry teaches us that we must replace the standrad marrige, which is controlled by the husband and a wife, by a cucked relationship, which is controlled by the bull. Then, a period of prepping follows in which the bull is pleasured by the cuck. When the bull class has been prepped, there will be time for wife to get mounted by the bull, and eventually the functions of the husband will become indistinguishable from the functions of a porn shot fluffer, and his genitalia will 'wither away' as Marx said.

I don't have any websites but i'm pretty sure OP can help me with that.

when was the last time you fought ISIS roach?

Oh no thats right you just buy their oil. Repress your people some more Islamic erdocuck

>socialism has never been tried
>China and the USSR are successes of socialism
Pick one.

>I don't know anything about political theory and will say nothing about it but here is my obsession with black on white cuckoldry. I swear, I'm not at all threatened by black penises and one never banged my waifu.

The post, pic related.

>theory
So what kind of left/fag/ are you? At least give us that much before claiming some kind of victory.

It's just that literally no one of any actual value cares what betafag virgin communists like you think.

Them's the breaks, sweetie.

I never anywhere said socialism hasn't been tried. Socialism has been tried and suceeded in many places. Revolutionary Catalonia being one of those places, where agricultural yields were increased by up to 50% according to some sources.

Similar, in Honduras, where rural campesinos have recently reclaimed land back from corrupt politicians and drug lords, the collective farms have seen massive increase in yields.

This is but one example of the success of communist ideologies.

While I do not support the USSR or the its systems, i do understand its place in history and why many in Russia felt the need for such a revolution. I have similar feelings towards places like Cuba. While Castro has his faults, his is infinitely better than Batista was. Similarly, Lenin turned Russia from a backwards peasant nation into an industrial superpower almost over night. While I believe firmly in Libertarian Socialism and direct democracy, that achievement is something that cannot be overlooked. Considering they had a king before, is a peoples dictator not a step forward?

I'm talking about Lenin BTW, pretty much all after him were garbage, but this is the problem with democratic centralism and leninism, which anarchist communism seeks to resolve by direct democracy.

Anarchist Communist as I have stated.

But everyone cares what you think.... and thats why Trump is still gonna build the wall...

No wait he isn't.

and thats why hes not going to carry out military interventions in the middle east....

oh wait but he is...

and that's why hes gonna drain the swap..

but he didn't and now is more full of jewry than ever.

I know full well nobody listens to me or you, the proletariat. Which is why together we must demand that we are listened to. Only the ideology of Anarchist Communism provides the people with direct control of their environment

That seems interesting.
Would an ideal Anarchocommunist society ever get big? Catalogna was successful, but it was pretty small.

No one has sympathy for you wanting to punish those who are better than you out of jealousy and greed. Just get a fucking job and do something useful Jew. It's like you are mad at the idea of working because the person who employs you makes more than you? Who cares? They have to run a business with that money. If you are so smart why dont you stop crying about gibs and start your own business. That way you can willingly pay your employees whatever you want and STFU already. We don't want gulags and you are a tool for thinking you'll get a sheckle for snitching on fake opressors for the jew. Scoundrel.

>This just in:

>Betafag virgin communist fag with tiny brain and micropenis automatically assumes that anyone who disagrees with his shitty ideology that always fails and leaves its victims dead or miserable is a Trump supporter.

Spoiler alert: I'm not.

>get state
>hand means of production to proles
>dissolve state
Ignoring the complex issue of dividing up ownership what stops people reverting back to their old tribalist loyalties after the state is gone? Organisation along lines of culture, language and geography is natural.

The idea is its decentralised, so the size doesn't actually matter all that much, because each area governs itself. Where the areas meet is purely in mutually projects, i.e. the things it makes sense to collectively fund and build.

Catalonia was betrayed by the USSR and their Liberal allies alike, at the same time as facing Franco with the full might of Germany and Italian in support of them. It never stood a chance. This doesn't take away from the fact that the society they built in that time was a success economically.

If you look to Kurdistan, Rojava, their experiment has now become the longest running Anarchist Communist revolution in history if I am not mistaken. What they believe is actually Libertarian Municipalism/Democratic Confederalism/Communalism, but these are schools of thought which are rooted in the anarchist communist tradition.

They have successfully implemented a system based on co-operatives as the base unit of society and have been resisting the Turkish State and ISIS.

Another thing about Anarchist Communism is that these small forces, organised as they are, have historically been extremely effective military forces.

While Catalonia was crushed, the small, underfunded force held out for an extremely long time against a much larger foe and during that time are noted for several military feats. So too in Ukraine under Nestor Mahkno the Anarchists successfully defeated the Ukrainian army only to be defeated by the much larger USSR, whom they successfully fought for a long time.

The kurds are famous for recently saving 50,000 yazidis by evacuating them across hundreds of kilometres deep behind ISIS lines. The organisational capacity of this evacuation is considered one of the greatest feats of modern military history

>if you look to Kurdistan

Eh no thanks.

when you have dissolved the state and capitalism and decentralised power so that the communities are in control of their own workplaces, land and resources, you have by necessity gone through a revolutionary process, when the proletariat join together to overthrow the parasite class, not only will this action naturally instill solidarity among them, but the shared spoils and return of their labour will allow them once again to be brothers.

What causes tribalism and conflict? War over resources. Why are resources scare? They aren't, but a handful of people hoard and waste. We live in an age where farms could be automated, salt water could be desalinised, desertified land could be reclaimed, all education could be freely available on the internet for anybody to access, but we don't do all this, because we don't have the control of the resources. There are academic papers normal people can't have access too ordinarily without paying fees. How does that bring science forward you tell me?

Furthermore when power is decentralised this allows local cultures to be empowered to protect themselves, besides this, capitalism has degenerated culture, when capitalism is removed, culture can recover.

So you prefer ISIS and Turkroaches to secular democracy then? Okay Ahmed

name me a secular democracy in the middle east that isn't Kurdistan.

Pro tip, you can't

Explain how will you remove money in a communist utopia /dystopia

Oh, nice! I'll look into it.
How would, for instance, an Anarchocommunist defence work against direct invasion from an organized state military? Kurdistan and Rojava had never fought in a declared, focused war against an army and a strong municipal targetting of governance could complicate large-scale relationships.

So how does Anarchocommunism work with Internationalism? Are they not compatible?

>their experiment has now become the longest running Anarchist Communist revolution in history if I am not mistaken.
So they lasted longer than two months before they collapsed or were steam rolled. Congrats.

It really depends on what exact brand you believe, there are many different theories. Some want to phase it out with labour vouchers first (these are collectivists). Some want a democratically organised central planning system, goods are made for use, but each industry and each individual business in that industry votes on what is going to be produced. Nestor Mahkno was famous for beginning to implement this arrangement in Ukraine, it may seem Utopian and unbelievable but by the fall of his territory to the USSR production in some areas worked by completely free exchange, that is, workers in one place simply agreed that they would make enough of the product for the workers in the other industries and vice versa, they were unified in their goal of a territory free from the USSR and from capitalism and were willing to work together in mutual aid for that.

So in some theories it is gradually phased out, in some theories it is replaced by labour vouchers (i don't really like this theory, kinda just money by a different name) and in some theories it is instantly replaced with a system of free exchange, this last one is technically pure Anarchist Communism. It really depends who you ask though.

Anarcho-Communism is international, but it does not seek to expand internationally militarily, only to support other countries wishing to liberate themselves. In they end they will rule themselves, but still stand united.

And Kurdistan are Currently fighting against the Turkish State which is a fully functional military with Air Force etc. Also ISIS is no mere militia

If you want to check it out I suggest googling the names PJ Proudhon, Michael Bakunin, Peter Kropotkin and David Graeber. Also Abdullah Ocalan and Murray Bookchin. Also the Ukrainian Free Territory, Revolutionary Catalonia, George Orwell, and Chiapas

15 years against the Turkish state and have been fighting ISIS since their rise on the front lines which is something even World Police Muricaw cannot claim.

>when you have dissolved the population and consolidate power so that the tyrant regime is in control of all "workplaces", land and resources, you have by necessity gone through a revolutionary process, when the proletariat join together to overthrow the parasite class, not only will this action naturally instill train rides at gun point, but the shared spoils and return of their labour will allow tyrants to buy more means to ensure everlasting domination.
>What causes tribalism and conflict? Diversity and Marxist theory. Why are resources scare? They aren't, but a good goy should make sure no one has more than the person who has nothing. We live in an age where farms could be automated, salt water could be desalinised, desertified land could be reclaimed, all education could be freely available on the internet for anybody to access, but we don't do all this (except we do), because we are too lazy to control of the resources. There are academic papers normal people can't have access too ordinarily without paying fees. How does that bring science forward you tell me? (pay for it, pubmed is cheap).
>Furthermore when power is decentralised (such as USA with their fed, state and local governments) this allows local cultures to be empowered to protect themselves, besides this, jews degenerated culture, when capitalism is replaced with commie, culture becomes bougoise and buys you a train ticket.

Name me a country called Kurdistan you would actually want to live in.

Protip, you can't.

At least our National trade Union body is prepared to fight for workers. AND she is a woman!!!
The ALP Labor party are useless these days

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Sure I would rather live in a country that isn't in the middle of a civil war... OBVIOUSLY.

I mean, its not like that ridiculous statement completely disregards the historical context of Rojava.

The real question, for anyone that isn't a dumb fuck burger faggot, is " if you were a kurd,would you rather live in Kurdistan now, or Kurdistan 30 years ago when Kurdish people were being censored, beaten and imprisoned by the Turkish state simply for being Kurdish" The answer is patently fucking obviously. You liberate your nation. Fucking retarded Burger cuck fuck.

>the USA

>Decentralised government

Yup, I think that is all I need to read from this post.

Alright buckshot, here's my argument

Communism is based on the government’s unlimited power based on the rule of brute force. Under communism, the government is a criminal that holds the power to use physical force in any manner and for any purpose it pleases against legally disarmed and defenseless group of citizens.

Nothing can ever justify such a monstrous, evil theory. The horror, the brutality, the plunder, the destruction, the starvation, the slave-labor camps, the torture chambers, the wholesale slaughter of communism is fucking abhorrent.

Maybe read up on the atrocities that have been made under that hammer and sickle before you so proudly flaunt it.

I don't know what kind of scale you're picturing this on (regional, national or global) but common to all there would be that some communities are more valuable than others. From this would grow hierarchy and inequality. Essentially a meritocracy. Not necessarily a bad thing, I just don't see how it would be radically different to how things already are.

Syria had a democratically elected, multi-party parliament.

Ok m8 thanks
I really thank your information on Ancoms, I really could know more about the branches of the left movements :D

How the hell does a political party that was built by workers justify Unions cutting deals with big Fast food chains to cut workers hourly rates??

theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/unions-deals-cut-workers-penalties/news-story/f00bf01f746da0f43d25b713a2570e81

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Rojava's not 15 years old. The kurds probably aren't going anywhere any time soon but Rojava and politics is incidental to this.

>french election thread
>people support Melenchon
>brit/pol/
>people talk positively of Corbyn
>real estate and student loan thread
>can discuss socialism without harassment
>commie general
>autistic spamming and screeching
>Pinochet posting
>muh 100 gorrilion
I want The_Donald to leave. I know it's you.

>The real question, for anyone that isn't a dumb fuck burger faggot, is " if you were a kurd,would you rather live in Kurdistan now, or Kurdistan 30 years ago when Kurdish people were being censored, beaten and imprisoned by the Turkish state simply for being Kurdish" The answer is patently fucking obviously. You liberate your nation. Fucking retarded Burger cuck fuck.

Oh that's the real question? How about whatever shit world the Kurds managed to scrape together for themselves to survive is nothing like what any of us would want to live in at any point in time.

This is your big case for Communism. The glory of Kurdistan. Pack your bags if you love it so much and leave the horrible capitalist hellhole of the UK. Right. You wont. Because you know you got it made.

What really annoys me is these Mega companies pretending to be Socially minded corporate citizens...Fuuuuck...You know they're just waiting to make a buck out of it.

>15 years against the Turkish state
Their de facto autonomy has only been recognized since 2012 when the Syrian Army withdrew from the area and gave control over to the local militias. It's only been five years. And they primarily occupy Syria. They were given independence for all intensive purposes.

>been fighting ISIS since their rise.
I would be doing that as well if I lived next to a ravenous bunch of goatfuckers stuck in the 13th century.

>on the front lines which is something even World Police Muricaw cannot claim.
You do know that during the Raqqa offensive US SF was embedded and fighting with YPG while being backed by US air support right? Or are you selective about what information you take in if it damages your cause?

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Melenchon>Macron>>>Fillon. Course Le Pen >>> Melenchon but that's obvious.

Right-wing populists are worthless cucks at best, and corporate stooges at worst.

That's why Farage quit on the spot after Brexit vote and none of the cuckservatives cheering for it want to become the prime minister and trigger A50 themselves.

Same with Denmark.

Please help up get Sup Forums rid of drumpfshits, please, I'm tired from all the 88d chess posting...

>Communism is based on the government’s unlimited power based on the rule of brute force


I'll start with this one.

1) As you will see throughout this thread I have advocated for anarchist communist, which is specifically the negation of the state and capitalism. The entire ideology is built on getting rid of the government, which it sees as irrevocably tied to capitalism, which it is. Which brings me to my next point.

2) Name me a capitalist society that has not been based on the governments unlimited power? In the 1980's Ronald Reagan sold arms to Iran (which the US was at war against, at the time they were sending billions of dollars in aid to Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war) In order to fund the Contras in Nicaragua, a terrorist group despised by the Nicaraguan people but beloved of the CIA.

In order to fund terrorism, the president of the "free capitalist world" sold arms to an enemy nation. Essentially during the period 1985-1987 the US was funding both sides of the Iran Iraq war, what part of that doesn't scream "total state domination" to you?

>Under communism, the government is a criminal that holds the power to use physical force in any manner and for any purpose

how is this not the case under capitalism?

>a monstrous, evil theory.

pure moralism, baseless, no historical reference.

> The horror, the brutality, the plunder, the destruction, the starvation, the slave-labor camps, the torture chambers, the wholesale slaughter of

I'm paying the worlds saddest song on the worlds most piercing violin buts I'm sorry your fox news sound bites are doing nothing for me. These are all things that have been carried out by every ideology ever, particularly capitalism, of all of the big ones, Facism, Capitalism, State Socialism, Anarchist Communism, Anarchist Communism is the most innocent in this regard. To this day there has never been a genocide under Anarchist communists, a title no other ideology can claim.

>people liteally showered commies with arguments and you ignored them for decades
>OP gave up at writing and now only spams images
>Ha, you capitalists have no arguments"
Fuck off. Stop gaslighting yourself.

Support comrade Bashir Al-Assad in his fight against American Capitalist Imperialism and Islamofascism of ISIS and Al-Qaeda.

>kurdistan
>literally supporting a US american proxy

Le Pen seems more ideological and principled than most of them. If she holds the line in Frexit and immigration I don't see how it could be a bad thing.

I supported him a long ago. I'm really fucking tired of the protrump shilling, I came to the conclusion that Sup Forums is full of the_dildo shills. Why can't /leftypol/ free us from suffering, nuking this board?

>Maybe read up on the atrocities that have been made under that hammer and sickle before you so proudly flaunt it.

Maybe read up on the atrocities of capitalism before you so proudly flaunt it. Maybe read up on Anarchist Communism before you decide it has committed atrocities which it has not.


Of the essential resources, which would you say is the most valuable? Energy? Agriculture? Defence? All of these are the most important industries, but each are useless without the other, which is why, when they are free of the state and capitalism, they are able to work in a mutually beneficial manner.

HAD before the US got in.

You are welcome nice talking.

How fucking retarded are you?

What are you suggesting? That the Kurds move somewhere else.... become immigrants? No, they are staying at home to rebuild their homeland and are doing it successfully.

You are so butthurt at the idea of libertarian socialist success that you flat out deny facts right in front of you. Anarchist Communism has markedly improved the lives of the Kurdish people, you are pretty much the only person on earth denying that. When the choice is ISIS or Turkroach, I chose Kurdistan. What do you choose?

The fact that is hasn't been recognised means nothing really. Palestine still isn't recognised is it.

>You do know that during the Raqqa offensive US SF was embedded and fighting with YPG while being backed by US air support right

Yes, but the YPG have been there since the start, which the US have not.

in those posts, there was no arguments. I wasn't suggesting that there has never been an argument.

This is a truly desperate strawman

>be small nation fighting for its independence and against ISIS
>get offered air support from large military power in the fight specifically against ISIS, but knowing such support is valubale to your revolution
>say no

No wait, any good leader would never fucking do that

Let's start with the fact that France would still be a parliamentary democracy, which from a commie point of view is a tool for bourgeoisie to settle issues, not the people.

youtube.com/watch?v=uwgJidatmH8

So you want the implementation of an economic theory that neither has been tested nor do you have any set plans to what will happen, great

>can discuss socialism without harassment
Youb mean the discourse is free and is not slid by a thousand autistic shills?

No wonder its less reactionary than here

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No all of these theories have been implemented. Collectivism in Catalonia, Free exchange it Ukraine, and democratic co-operative management in Rojava

>ignore and dodge all arguments in the last 1000 threads
>you have no arguments!!! stop posting lewds!!!
>okay lets have an argument commie
>MUH ROJAVA WUZ SUCCESSFULL COMMUNISM aka the Kurdish U.S. backed, U.S. protected, U.S. supported, U.S funded, U.S. armed, U.S.supplied, U.S. trained, U.S. promoted 5th column proxy militia propped up by the U.S. in Syria.

Hahahaha no, lets just stick to leftypol mascots getting dicked.

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We have a thread up for discussion of national socialism every day what are you saying

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>posted a pic of socialist professors incapable of explaining socialism
>"there was no argument"
Why are commies so delusional?

>sixty million people

>Russian population in 1916 roughly 140 million

So the Bolsheviks killed half of their own population.

Yeh seems legit don't it

In how many of those situations did people own the mean of production and it was a stateless society?

Strasserism is Socialism, Shitler's Shitshow is not.

>US trained.

You realise the US considers the PKK, an affiliate group of the YPG terrorists right? They have been in open war against Nato for a long time. The only reason they agree to US help is in the fight against ISIS and that is the only time it has ever happened. Turkey is a member of Nato, of course the US isn't going to attack them.

>All of these are the most important industries
True but in the nar future where farming is largely automated basically anybody eill be able to do the small amount of menial labour left over. You'll need maybe a couple of guys who understand farming the rest of the staff would be interchangeable with anyone at a weeks notice. This isn't true of scientists or doctors. The service they provide is more valuable as fewer people can do it to their level. This gives them a dominant position in whatever trade/exchange system we're having. If you're not wanting any kind of exchange mechanism then you're going to need a large, complex bureaucracy to distribute everything where it is needed and when.

>HAD before the US got in.
They've actually held two since shit kickd off, not that you hear about that in the western press.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Council_of_Syria
>The last elections 13.4.2016. Parliamentary election was on 7 May 2012 and the results were announced on 15 May.[8]

The Ba'ath party won an even larger victory than it did in previous elections. They won a majority of around 60% of the 250 parliamentary seats. Previously, the Baath had a majority of just over 50% of the seats in parliament.

Is the fact that your delusional utopianist cult never bothered even explaining what's their economic plan not an argument?
>how do you know whether a line of production is worth its costs in a communist society?
I literally already heard any answer you might come up with, I've heard anything you might even reply.

>answer 1: "hur durr, costs don't exist!"
>answer 2: "if people ask for it, then its worth its costs, derp, if people ask for a mansion, it must be worth its costs, right?"
>answer 3: "we'll just democratically decide with democracy in a democratic system how the goods will be democratically distributed and it will all work out because democracy"
>answer 453: "a communist super computer will have autocracy over the population and will magically allocate all resources for us"

OR, you could a communist, and remove the entire Pyramid, jews, whites and all, and have a society where we build what you need, rather than what will sell to make fat people fatter

When communism takes over everyone gets free Ferraris and apple products.

I don't care. I'm not a commie. Statelessness is a nice fantasy but completely impractical. Best you can do is try get a government that will place the nation's interests over global capital.

All three, though the exact statelessness of Catalonia is debatable. Its not so much that I am hung up on as developing direct democracy and ending capitalism

You got me. Kurdistan is killing it. You flipped me on Communism. How can we destroy America and the UK in order to get it going here?