What is the correct societal view of sexuality?

I feel like many people will say extremely reserved, repressed and traditionalist/conservative, but I feel that this is the wrong view or approach. This is the consensus view among many Middle Eastern and relatively undeveloped countries and some others, prostitution is banned, adultery is criminalized completely, etc. and many of them have horrible problems with men who cannot control their sexual urges and are very degenerate under the layers which hid them, people are obsessed with sex.

On the other end, you have complete and full sexual liberation and libertinism, where no sexual activity would even be shamed or looked down upon, even things such as pedophilia. No country is quite like this, although I'd argue that certain Western or Western-influenced countries are moving very much towards an extremely sexually open model, where average people have in excess of 30+ sexual partners in their lives, sexual and carnal acts are allowed and not viewed shamefully even in public, sensual acts such as slapping asses, twerking, etc. are allowed on public television, etc.

IMO there is some balance in the middle which accounts for and allows a healthy level of sexual expression while also enforcing norms good for society, such as strong families. Sex should be viewed as normal and healthy in many contexts, and unavoidable due to people wanting it on average so much. What is the correct balance in your opinion?

Are things like legalized prostitution, no-fault divorce, the normalization and allowance of extremely sexually explicit acts, etc. all horrible and degenerate, or is there some value to some of these more sexually liberal ideas?

Do whatever you want which doesn' t involve excrements or trapon.

There is a reason muslim countrymen are horny. It's because if you are an average guy you can lose virginity in college if you're lucky or you'll have to wait until marriage.If prostitution was legal, I can't say for sure but it might make things better for young and middle aged men. I'm 20 and still have my V card, thinking of going to a prostitute.

Well, you have to realize that whites are not like Arabs and blacks. They do not have quite so much testosterone, are smarter, better at impulse control, etc. Traditionalism is a model that is extremely healthy for them, and of course, for society as a whole.

On the other hand, the Arabs and blacks could use more sexual openness, as it's associated with lower birth rates, which is the first thing that those countries need.

Exactly, it's TOO repressive and conservative, turning too many men into angry simmering virgins who boil over with horniness. Most people need some type of outlet.
Even cheating on your spouse, or adultery or pedophilia? It seems obvious there should be boundaries put up somewhere.

Trying to find a happy medium will just result in obnoxious conflict and things still going wrong as people wonder why their preferences arent cool when others are.

So I figure the best way is this hard principle: all sexual activity that does not result in reproduction or cement a relationship in which optimal reproduction can take place is immoral. This may be hard for many people to cope with, but at least its hard on everyone and works out better in the end.

> Traditionalism is a model that is extremely healthy for them, and of course, for society as a whole.
I don't think you're necessarily wrong, but be pragmatic, it would be next to impossible to implement traditionalism right now, we could do it over time but given what we have whatever allows people to be healthy and get their unhealthy urges out while still keeping society together should be sought out.
>Arabs and blacks could use more sexual openness, as it's associated with lower birth rates
That's only because the countries that are particularly sexually open are all industrialized and developed which lowers birth rates anyway. Without that their birth rates would probably increase noticeably.

Well, it's not a matter of industrialization, more a matter of socialism and secularism. Low birth rates in western countries are likely deeply tied to the welfare state. In America, people are afraid to marry and have kids because the father might lose everything in a family court. In other places, they simply find it financially impossible due to enormous taxes and extremely high housing costs creating monstrous debt. So many just opt of the responsibility of children, and casually screw around, enabled by socialism. Birth rates of all demographic groups in socialist countries are extremely low and usually falling continuously.

Naturally, it's pretty impossible to implement socialism in a country where hardly anyone does any actual work due to no infrastructure.

No, it's not leftism/secularism, it's almost certainly the result of socioeconomic factors like industrialization and people breaking up extended families to nuclear families to move to different cities/towns etc. for jobs. It's happened in pretty much every country that has industrialized, no matter how Right or Left-Wing/Leaning they are they all have massive decreases in birth rates. Japan is much more traditionalist than virtually any European country and has a birth rate of 1.40 per woman. Poland is the most religious and possibly one of the most Right-Wing countries in Europe and it has a birth rate of 1.30 per woman, among the lowest in the world, lower than Sweden's or Norway's even among the native white population(s).

She has great titties and is one of us.

I rather take the view of "what happens behind closed doors I don't really give a fuck about"

So long as it doesn't, you know, hurt people, like pedophilia or cannibalism fetish or shit

But too many want to force their degeneracy upon others that more moderate people like me feel pushed towards the "alt-right". or, you know, more traditional views on sexuality

Really, if you're a raging fag, as long as you keep it too yourself and leave me the hell alone I don't care how many guys you fuck in your shed. Just don't go trying to do shit like that to me.

>one of us
What did you mean by this?

We need to invent artificial wombs already and not need to worry about bullshit lowered birth rates.

Mark my words, technology will be the one true savior of the white race, we invented it all after all. At least anything useful.

I'm the same for the most part, I'm not too keen on interfering for the most part unless it deals with something extremely socially important like maintaining healthy families. I'd list my views on the matter in a condensed form like this:

> The age of consent should be 15 or 16 universally, and 14 for with people within 5 years of age or so
> Pedophilia and bestiality should obviously be illegal
> Prostitution for all people of the legal age of consent should be legal
> Nudity shouldn't be viewed as so awful, it should be viewed as just something normal without much stigma, allowed on TV or perhaps even in some cases in public, it isn't really sexual even without context or being made inappropriate
> Sexually explicit and even suggestive content should be monitored and preferably kept off of most public access radio/tv media outlets
> Public open displays of sex acts or explicit behavior like pride parades should not be allowed except in specific places like gay bars
> Homosexuality should still be tolerated, but not encouraged or lauded
> The heterosexual monogamous family unit should still be viewed as what's desirable and encouraged in society
> Sex ed should be taught to kids only from a biological scientific standpoint with no ideological input, starting at age 12 or so, kids are going to have sex no matter what and we can't stop it
> They should be taught about condoms, birth control, etc.
> They should also be told about the effects of promiscuity on marriage and relationship success, STDs, etc. and still be encouraged to pursue a relatively small number of monogamous partners

With Japan, it is, of course, associated with ridiculous 80 hours/week schedules for the vast majority of workers alongside stupidly high housing costs, as I mentioned. Poland's just poor, and as I said, whites have great impulse control.

As a counterpoint, India has a TFR of around 2.45 and they're fairly heavily industrialized. China as well had to implement that one child policy for a few decades.

What does she look like naked laying on her back? Do her tits look like water wings when she skinny dips?

Poland's substantially richer than literally every Western country was at the beginning of the 20th century and also has way lower birth rates than any of them by an extreme margin, it isn't just poverty, if anything poorer people tend to have more children.

> The age of consent should be 15 or 16 universally, and 14 for with people within 5 years of age or so

well, if studies that suggest the human brain does not physically mature under the age of ~25, in a more stable society I'd suggest having that for various age restrictions.

But just in general I don't want a degenerate society. I mean hell, most things, even shit like furfags can be at least contained when its a "behind closed doors only" enforced policies, but then you've got shit like 3rd wave feminism, sjws, etc etc going on now, with no effort to contain or even mitigate the damages.
The fact alone that we can recognize these issues means we are not a dying society, I would argue, but there are many things very, very wrong with us.

Save it man. Also work out

>What does she look like naked laying on her back?
Well she's a literal pornstar so it can't be that hard to find out.

>> The age of consent should be 15 or 16 universally, and 14 for with people within 5 years of age or so
>> Pedophilia and bestiality should obviously be illegal
>> Prostitution for all people of the legal age of consent should be legal
>> Nudity shouldn't be viewed as so awful, it should be viewed as just something normal without much stigma, allowed on TV or perhaps even in some cases in public, it isn't really sexual even without context or being made inappropriate
>> Sexually explicit and even suggestive content should be monitored and preferably kept off of most public access radio/tv media outlets
>> Public open displays of sex acts or explicit behavior like pride parades should not be allowed except in specific places like gay bars
>> Homosexuality should still be tolerated, but not encouraged or lauded
>> The heterosexual monogamous family unit should still be viewed as what's desirable and encouraged in society
>> Sex ed should be taught to kids only from a biological scientific standpoint with no ideological input, starting at age 12 or so, kids are going to have sex no matter what and we can't stop it
>> They should be taught about condoms, birth control, etc.
>> They should also be told about the effects of promiscuity on marriage and relationship success, STDs, etc. and still be encouraged to pursue a relatively small number of monogamous partners

Well you just summarised the situation in Scandinavia except for prostitution.

>inb4 le Sweden yes maymays

Let me explain.

The normal cuckold wants just one gift from his black bull: A black child. But the Pozz-cuckold wants more. He wants three gifts. We are greedy little bitches. But first, here's how it goes.

Normally I drive in my Mercedes to a street gym where ripped blacks train their muscles, there skin shining with sweat and the air filled with their scent. I am already a bit hard just from thinking about it. Sometimes I cum a bit in my pants. I get out of the car and ask who of them has AIDS. Then they know what happens.

The black man with AIDS gets into my car and we drive to somewhere isolated. Then I take a small knife and stick it inside the hole of my penis and twist it a litte. In the cuckold community we call this the AIDS twister. Sure it hurts and causes me to bleed. But it is worth it.

Then the black man docks me until we both cum and I contract his AIDS. I already have 4 types of AIDS from this. That is the first gift. Then we drive on to my house and he fucks my wife, who has also contracted many types of AIDS. That is the second gift. And then 9 months later the third and best gift arrives: a black child who also has AIDS.

Why do you want to sleep with something that can break your neck. One wrong sexual position and we wuz cripples nao

Do you plan on making 25 the age of consent? People are going to be fucking before then regardless, age of consent laws now don't stop people from doing it. And people don't need to be "completely mentally developed" before doing anything 'x' anyway, we assume people at some point are smart enough to do and decide certain things for themselves depending on their mental states. Lots of countries have similar age of consent laws and they aren't being swallowed alive by degeneracy. I think Germany has a similar AoC law to that and it isn't the most degenerate country on earth or anything.

Pen truly is mightier than sword. What an oscar worthy screen play

I also forgot to include some other important things.
> No-fault divorce should be illegal
> Extramarital affairs should be punishable by the law according to local ordinances or privately developed marriage contracts between the spouses
Those two alone radically change the situation IMO. There are probably other subtle or important details/actions or ideas I'm forgetting atm, but that's because it's such a big and wide topic with such socially wide-ranging consequences.

What does age of consent mean in the US anyway?

If the age of consent would be 25, obviously people under that age would be allowed to have sex with each other, or how does it work over there?

Actually, when I think about it, from a societal point of view, that could be a pretty good idea, irrespective of the fact that it severely limits freedom.

>inb4 guys who couldn't have sex with teenagers, when they were teenagers, whine

please no angela white. i'm on no fap for holy week

stay strong brother

Age of consent in the US means the age you can legally consent to sex acts with somebody else without the threat of legal action being taken against you. Say you were 19 and had sex with someone who was 15 in a state where the age of consent was 16. By that state's law, you'd be guilty of statutory rape of a minor since she was below the age of consent.

Somewhere down the middle is the best. I used to have a laissez faire mentality when our culture change but I can't anymore.

I'm okay with some girls being sluts but the amount nowadays is staggering. I also had a Chad friend and the amount of cheating out there is ridiculous. Engaged girl at the club for a "girl's night" was feeling his dick through his pants, some married chick who was fucking pregnant kept trying to fuck him and one girl at least let him grab her tits and made out with her while she had a BF (who was also cheating on her). I later saw her posting on FB about all the good men being gone.

So I don't know OP. I think the major changes are relationships not meaning what they used to and the lack of shaming in today's culture.

I think the short-coming of this approach is that there is nothing underpinning these pronouncements; without some agreed upon ideal, call it "morality" or "ethics" but it has to be shared and able to be intrepreted, then you run the risk of arbitrary and capricious enforcement or even creation of law.

Poland's GDP per capita is around US$25,000, which is about what your average United States worker makes on minimum wage.

Anyway, there's a correlation between poverty and birth rates, but it isn't super strong. With white countries, it's almost inverse, as one might expect. For reference, the countries with the highest TFR in Europe are France, Ireland and the UK as of 2015 according to Eurostat.