Christian Atheism

Alright so..all this recent shit has led me to a pretty weird conclusion. That conclusion is that we really fucking need Christianity. I'm actually an atheist, but I've thought quite a while on this, and this is the conclusion I've come to. Everything is shitty in the way it is right now thanks to religion going out of style. As much as the bible is filled with authoritarian bullshit...some of that bullshit is highly potent truth about maintaining society. It is entirely possible to live without a bible to guide you and still have strong morals and understanding of values in society, however it is not a given. I think many attempting to think freely reach this state...they think a little bit about religion, and realize 1) theres some bullshit, and 2) some of it is restrictive. The automatic reaction is to fully reject religion. Unfortunately it seems most stop there, they don't continue to contemplate about the idea of God, or the point of humanities existence etc etc.
This, combined with innate instinctual desire to see humanity succeed, creates your typical liberal atheist: A person who doesn't give the slightest fuck about religion, and likely a loose understanding of morals.

Given all I've learned about religion and Christianity...I've concluded we desperately need religion, and Christianity is the absolute best one, most likely to be the most successful and lead to the best most civilized world. I do think eventually religion will be obsolete. Perhaps in a world with less anti-intellectualism, less propaganda, and better education.

For the time being tho, yall need Jesus.

I'm probable going to start going to church, and you should too.

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are you going to church this sunday? you should. :)

have fun lad

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OP SPEAKS THE TRUTH

I might get in on this. I'm into daoism right now just because I like the power and self control of it. but there is something to say about the faith that conquered the world.

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Worth going to church, especially this Sunday since it's Easter
Also you have nothing to lose by being a Christian, aside from maybe time. It's the most likely religion to be accurate and exist compared to others, but I won't debate that.

Ignore some of the autism-tier sects of Christianity and it's pretty good otherwise. I don't know why fedoras hate it so much.

Either way though a stronger and more right-wing form of Christianity would be one of the best options, and I would have no issue with that. Not Islam-tier, but something where crusades are not frowned upon.

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Good on you

what do you mean by this

Pretty much what I've concluded.

Religions protect race as well. Think on that for a bit.

Christianity is too weak. The glorification of "meekness", suffering, and the emphasis on compassion rules it out as an effective answer to problems that require strong action against an enemy. The SJW phenomenon is just a secular version of Christianity.

NO! NO NO NO NO NO!
KILL ALL ATHEISTS
KILL ALL BLACKS
KILL ALL MEXICANS
BUILD THE WALL
KILL ALL MUSLIMS!!!!

No, we don't. You sound high, user.

(((christian))) atheism
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What sects do you recommend? Are Lutherans any good?

see what I said in a stronger form of Christianity is required right now to get us going in the right direction.

I entirely see what you mean though, and I won't say you're wrong. Again, ignore some of the autism sects and it gets better, but you are 100% right.

Maybe a right-wing view for the men, more loyalty-based view for the women, and go back to before women's suffrage?

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OP SPEAKS THE TRUTH

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Watch his 2 videos where he talks to peterson and come back
They're both 2h and a half but its good shit

Those are all secondary. The point of them in context of Christianity is to help god, to help humanity. SJWs don't actually care AT ALL about anyone except themselves. They know this to be true, but of course are in constant denial. This is why SJW solutions are never reasonable.

Understanding compassion and suffering are good values, if you disagree with that than thats a disagreement of core values, anything but an in depth private discussion has 0 chance to accomplish anything. Being compassionate, reducing suffering where possible, and generally wanting the best for others are good things user. SJWs would be not so terrible if they actually cared about any of that, they literally don't tho, they really only care about momentary pleasure.

Am a Lutheran, it's kind of hit and miss to be honest. Definitely one of the better branches though, and essentially the first Protestants to exist. I'd recommend finding a church that's more evangelical, I'm part of Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran but I'm not sure what most of the other churches are like, mine is great t b h. Less feel-y and more "make a stand" is the vibe I got.

Look for a church that still has hymns, I've found that to mean they're pretty based. If they're Lutheran and require confirmation as well, they're doubly based because it means members take time to understand what it is they believe in.

Worst case you don't like it; don't give up and go to another. If absolutely nothing works, read the bible and look for devotionals online at least.

Good luck anons, wish you good luck.

>Also reminder that God does not answer prayers like a vending machine. You will get yes, no or later answers. He also doesn't fix everything for you. Anyone preaching that should be avoided.

Thanks for the help, I'll look into my nearby churches. Bless you

>The SJW phenomenon is just a secular version of Christianity.

I think you're right. Shitlibs are a radical secular outgrowth of some hypercalvinist/Gnostic sect.

But that doesn't mean traditional Christianity isn't the right answer. Of all known religions that were successful for the European man, it has the longest track record of stability and prosperity.Can it be restored?

This is the most retarded shit ever.

>Follow Jesus, reject God
>>Why?
>Because it's good.
>>According to who?
>...Me?
>>Why should I care what you say? You're a man just like me.

This is why secular morality fails and this is why communism fails. You can't enforce or convince people of morality without a superior power.

Looks like you're starting to see the big picture.
Atheism is nothing but a tool to kill western culture, religion played a fundamental role against Islam for centuries until recent times.
We must return western religion to it's former glory.

I am in same boat as OP. I am an atheist but often tell people (if asked) I am christian. Mainstream atheism is atheism mixed with liberal crap. We dot need that shit.

NIGGA I AGREE

WE NEED TO SPREAD CHRISTIANITY

I put christian atheism as the title because thats what it is for me. I'm sure theres others here who could come to the same conclusion. As for the rest tho, its just a matter of spreading christianity.

Atheists who hate all religion are probably too far gone, only potentially savable if they sort themselves out a bit.

Atheists like me, who have lost faith in any kind of "higher power" but put a high value on morality, may see what is actually going on here and understand. I think there are probably a lot like me out there, with vague feelings of moral truth coming from inside, a recognition that many atheists just want to be free from the restrictions of religion (not understanding why said restrictions are there in the first place).


Honestly I think everyone could benefit from watching more Jordan Peterson. Basically sort yourself out, kids.

Christianity began to falter once literacy was widespread and the common people could read the Bible. Before this, the church was free to interpret and preach a version of the Bible that suited the needs of the church, which at the time was very much involved in European politics and in legitimizing rulers. I would pinpoint the French Revolution as the moment when the Catholic church stopped being truly helpful for Europe, especially not long afterward when the Holy Roman Empire was dissolved and the church lost its last vestige of political power.

Since then not only Catholicism but every Christian sect has tried to align itself with the popular trend of the time in an attempt to attract churchgoers and tithes. Globalization and the general wave of liberalism across the West since the end of WW2 has carried over into Christianity.

IMO the religion truly needed for strength is one based on a nation, state, or ethnicity rather than ancient Middle Eastern prophets, such as Shinto in Japan. That was one thing Hitler was right about.

There might be some hope in conservative Christianity in the US, the kind that holds the military in high regard and appeals to working class people. That's the closest we have a strong Christianity today.

>Also you have nothing to lose by being a Christian, aside from maybe time
Time, money and dignity. Also, God might send you to hell.

>It's the most likely religion to be accurate and exist compared to others
Bullshit. You're delusional.

I just wanna say that, while I can see why you'd lose faith in a higher power, God still loves you and he'd love to see you follow him. I won't force you, but it's mentioned multiple times that we see bad shit because of sin in the world, and things happen even if we pray for them not to.

Again, worst case you lose some time on earth every Sunday, but the rewards outweigh that time in my opinion. It also makes you a lot chiller about death, because while I don't want to die, I don't obsess over it. Hell (pun not intended), there may just be a void waiting, but if that happens it means it's all unavoidable anyways. I'll opt to be a bit more idealistic, even if it isn't realistic.

Again, I'm not going to force you. I'm just an user and there's a ton of things we don't know. I may be wrong, but I'll always hope I'm right.

For the aligning with the trends, yeah, it's pretty awful in my opinion. Personally I believe that Christianity can define itself as strong and the basis of a nation (due to a lot of the fine inner workings of what the bible says), but I can see why that wouldn't be accurate all the time.

US Christianity, despite some of its issues, is probably one of the best forms we have today. Euros just can't compete :^)

>Money and dignity
You're not going to hell for not giving 10% of your income. As for dignity, maybe if you care about nihilistic degeneracy then yeah, you're right.
>most likely
maybe not accurate, since we don't have the manuscripts anymore, but it has more recorded information.

Again, not going to debate it. I have something to set up with a Christian qt

ive come to the same conclusion dude. youre not alone. I know there isn't a god and magic isn't real and all that shit but i still go to church and practice Christian values because i understand them to be necessary and important. if all my friends knew i was secretly atheist it would be so hard to explain to them that I'm still on their side i just don't believe in jesus and shit. i wish there was a name for what i believe in other than "Christian atheism".

Nigga I'm right there with you, though I personally would call myself a Christian deist.

Aka, don't trust anything that is written in the Bible, but still allow myself to be influenced by cultural Christianity. Problem is, I don't know how to
a) find a wife who would be cool with this
b) find a church who would be cool with this which isn't full of leftists

>to follow Jesus reject God
What did he mean by this?

I think they're saying to follow the teachings of Jesus, the man, but reject God's existence.

This is 100% the case.

Look the way it works is this:

Geographically and in a pre-internet era, each region in the world develops their own memes for culture and religion, which are generally interrelated to a high degree.

The religions fit the needs of the people in these geographic regions in terms of purpose. This is the fundamental point of a religion - to give a sense of purpose to a people in a nation or culture on a higher level than just to mindlessly survive in a nihilistic sense.

Now, due to technological innovation and progress, human societies have co-mingled and moral/cultural relativism became a thing. In this moral relativistic state, a certain segment of the population in most of the successful world has come to believe that religion is outdated.

But this is not the case.

Most people other than a select group within any population NEED religion to give them purpose. If there is no organized religion, they will create one for this reason (see Social Justice in the modern American/Western context - it is a secular cult that borders on religion more and more as it grows in popularity and power and it's there because a whole generation in the west has grown up without God).

You have to understand the core disagreement between Plato and Aristotle I suppose to get this, but Plato understood the importance of mysticism and Aristotle (being the autist he was) rejected it. Aristotle was correct in a technical sense that mysticism was garbage and unnecessary, but that's because he was a ridiculously smart autist. Like all autists, his obsessions gave him purpose. But people who don't get obsessed over a pursuit of knowledge or philosophy or whatever can't as easily block out the need for purpose, they're the ones that need religion and what was later identified as the people holding a "slave mentality" by Nietzsche.

For society to work in any region, the slave mentality majority NEEDs religion. 100% of the time.

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i reached the same conclusion myself. Christianity built the modem world we live in today. It also keeps our primitive selves in check. Finally, it is the bulwark against Islam, the antithesis to everything we stand for. I'm atheist but Christianity is necessary.

I'm starting to think Christian Deist is the right terminology.

This is the inherent flaw: Christianity has been on a slope towards feminization since the 1800s. Christian men would work night and day in order to provide for the family and would often not make Sunday services because the fact of the matter is this: men are workers. This would lead to a shift in the demographics that is clearly seen today: the most feminized men would often acquire high-level clergy positions while the masculine men tended the crops and animals: these feminized men would then have to craft their services to appeal to the women. Give or take 200 years and a greater demographic shift and we have our modern-day ineffectual modern day Christianity: the Christianity that cucks out and goes with the flow of culture instead of shaping the culture beneath its feet. Passages and key points such as Christians being the "Bride" of Christ have been romanticized to fit the feminine persona but have done so by sacrificing the masculine lamb. No where in the Bible does it ever say "Fall into a deeper intimate relationship with Jesus"; but it does say that He loves us and for us to die for Him if it comes to that. Who the FUCK do you think I am? I am a man; I was created for battle, my hands grasp the sword; I hunger for blood. God has called us into battle with evil and yet many Christians walk around in the battlefield without a clue in the world. Look at men like King David of the Old Testament: a dirty rotten sinner and one of, if not THE bloodiest warrior of the Old Testament: yet God called him a "man after [His] own heart". What happened to THAT glory? Can Christian Masculinity be salvaged?

Not without a strong sense of nationalism and belonging; Christians should be fiercely devoted to God, the Kingdom, and one another and that example should bleed into our relationships with our leaders, people, and nation. Luther had his reformation to get the Church back on track in the 1400s and it did for a while; but no one listened in his later years when he named the men responsible behind the corporatization behind Christianity/Catholicism: the Jews. Remember when Jesus whipped the Jews out of His synagogue? Or when the Jews killed Jesus? Or when the Jews persecuted and murdered Christians in the streets for hundreds of years? The Jews were smart, and after years of trying to rid the world of Christianity, the only way they could possibly rid the world of Christian was to subvert the religion.

Hitler was right to base his beliefs and way of government on Catholicism and Christian morality: denouncing degeneracy, burning porn in the streets, and equipping men to invest the future into the hands of their sons

The problem with Christianity today is that we've lost men by whoring out to the growing crowds and bigger tithes. (((Who))) else used the Temple as a marketplace I wonder?

I encourage any and all of you to go to church. I would ask you not present yourselves as or pretend to be Christian as that would be a lie and a disservice both to you and those around you. But please come. See the passion we have, the faith that sustains us. If you can find a hymnal and read the old songs. See how we love. I have studied many worldviews and religions and agree that even on an exclusively logical basis Christianity gets us closest to our best state, as it calls for high standards of behavior, helping one another, and if necessary being ready to defend oneself. What I really hope you see however, is God Himself. It is hard for the logically minded to come to faith. I do not think any words I have can move you. But when you feel God move...there is no word to describe it. Overwhelming comes closest, but is entirely insiffucient.

This is an actual redpill.