Who created God?

Who created God? Haven't really liked the answers I have seen for this question so I have been spending some time thinking. The question alone gives acknowledgement to the issue of Cause and Effect. An issue that breaks the Big Bang model. This led me to a fun answer. I could spend hours talking about its implications. God by nature of being outside of the confinements of space and time is also no longer confined by its laws... Including Cause and Effect.

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christfags and most religions will just say God was always just there.....doesn't make sense to me, but to each their own.

God created god. Sage.

What makes sense about a causal universe existing without a cause? Both God and your hypothesis are equally plausible.

God is the Father. So who created God? The grandfather, obviously. Any second grader could figure that out.

Not memeing, btw.

You live in a universe governed by laws. One of them is Cause and Effect. Being outside of this universe makes you no longer subject to its laws. If you are outside this universe you may not need a cause. Should be pretty simple to understand.

Something something original/perfect causality something

You and everyone else is god, faggot. Once you die your soul will be disappointed at how much of a faggot you were and reincarnate you as a nigger

Just have faith goy! Just believe and remember that Jesus cannot return without the existence of the state of Israel!

God refers to systems well above ours. God ahs always existed because our world is based on some sort of existence, nothing does not exist. It appears only as a superposition of two opposite states. God can be thought of as growth, and in order to know good and evil in a non linear world, suffering is required. In addition, God can be though of as communication, which requires logic (in the begining God was with logic and God was logic, simple systems are not interesting, but extending to higher order logics leaves inconsistencies). (If you are a physicist the answer is in the Dirac Sea).

Don't listen to atheist fags, there simple minds cannot understand the facts, nor the idea physics can conquer time.

Some kind of SUPERGOD

Time is nonlinear so there ya go

Humans

boltzmann brain

omg are there others?

>there
>simple minds
Almost got me with that bait

There's animals who do not possess free will but only anima, and humans who possess consciousness and in some (male) cases the ability to make independent decisions and change Fate. God is beyond us in will in the way we are beyond animals, and that's probably understating it.

If you're not afirad of the joos, consider the nature of Elohim, God/Gods. God is multifaceted and inscrutable.

>concsously visit a place every night,sometimes even recall this place
>stuff just ((((happens)))) there
>something seems to have just happened to exist, can't see it here though
>ignore the place you visit daily where this the norm
>"hmm user, where did this dude come from where the fuck he at"

the big bang talks about a point in the past where conditions were completely without form, nothing could be said about their change to define time. sounds familiar

Last bump and heads up spoiler alert gods the dreamer

Read Boethius or Eriugena
God damn i wish Christians actually read their old books, they'd be unstoppable if they actually knew all the arguments piled up over the millennia by their own theologians.

>Before reality, and existence was nothing
>Nothing isn't total darkness or static electricity, but simply just nothing
>This nothing existed for an incredibly long time to the point it became conscious of its formless nothing state
>Then this conciousness concieved itself and became space
>This concious space existed for an incredibly long time and materialized existence out if its own willpower

So it goes like this

Nothing became aware of its non existence and created space, then experimented within its space for an incredibly long time and gave itself form, then realized its lonliness and created life and form.

God is the space we preside in. God is the chair you're sitting on, the toilet you shit in and the computer you use to type bullshit all day. God is the alpha and the omega, the stars and the planets in the vast deep ocean night sky and the oceans themselves on a faraway remote planet. It is time and the timeless. God born itself from absolute nothing and made you in its image, born from nothing, but over time you become the architect of your life.

>Who created God?
That's a question with an answer that the human mind would not comprehend

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I don't know, because I'm not God.
Do you believe God posts on Sup Forums OP?

after reading hundreds of philosophy books and spending thousands of hours in thought experiment trying to understand the conception of god, this is the only logical and rational conclusion i can piece together.

Nothing existed for so long that it realized its lack of state and willed itself into all of reality, space encompassing. The space we preside in is the gift of this nothing and this nothing is God.

/thread

Exactly, before form there was ALWAYS laws of physics. So a set of rules, order and reactions that predate the big bang?

Sounds familiar

Me

There is no outside of the universe. If you're saying he's outside the universe you're admiting he doesn't exist

God doesn't exist, like said before humans created the concept of God.

You can look this up, but the laws of physics work differently in other parts of the universe.

The physics we experience in this part of the universe works different on the other side and vice versa. Physics isnt a stable rule set overarching the cosmos that most people commonly mistake it as.

It's simple. We created God, (in our thoughts and imagination).

God/Gods is the human mind trying to comprehend the incomprehensible.

The problem with you athiest fags is that you take everything with 100 percent certainty without any proof while dis-acknowledging the fact that most of the framework that you believe in is theoretical in nature and always proven incorrect with due time.

I'm not religioustard, but in religion class book it says God has existed since forever because time didn't exist before the creation and asking who made God is silly.
Doesn't answer any of questions, hence why religion/creationism is a waste of time.

You have to know, Know. And also know that Know, knows also, the "I don't know."

To know the containment of known and unknown.

It's just as the nature of the dualistic world we currently live in. For now.

Know this.
>Is.

What is before,
>Is.

Is, that is.

God wanted to prove to himself that he really exist, thats why he created himself (the universe). We are his eyes.

Human

True. Cause effect requires an observable time frame. God created everything including time itself, therefore God existed before time and is not bound by its restrictions, rendering cause effect inapplicable to God.

>created god
you don't know how this universe works at all do you

That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.

It is exponentially more probable that God formed spontaneously from random events than being created by something else.

Why couldn't we just have originated that way?
Isn't it more likely than a super complex god being birthed first?

Consider the mathematical definition of The All in the context of multiverse ensemble theories of reality.

The All is the set of all string encodings representing all universal Turing machines, including the ones that give rise to complex Hubble volumes such as our Universe as well self-aware substructures like yourself. Some of these Universes also give rise to The All in a self-recursive fashion, folding back in on itself. The All has always existed, for the beginning is the end, the first is the last, the alpha is the omega. It has always existed, for time exists as an artifact within it. Timelessness is the absolute.

Nature, reality, the cosmos, The All, The Great Programmer, God... all names for the same being.

We are all distinct subsets of the The All, embedded within.

arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0001020.pdf

>Who created God?

Stop asking tough questions.

God demands unquestioning faith as demonstrated by obedience to the church, clergy, and tithing.

Asking questions leads to unbelief.

Being unable to visualize images from words is a sign of a low IQ

Is anyone else fucking sick of religious people? The chanting, the wailing, the ranting about some imaginary shit

It's so tiresome

If one thinks, "God formed from" or anything before, that which you think was before, was also, God. The answer is He Is.

It's actually an easy answer.
"but what was befo-"
No, because if there was or is it is already God and to come.

The.

What was inside a black hole before it forms? As the black hole consumes matter and expands does it's horizon reach beyond perception from within? When a black hole is consumed by a larger black hole such as a galactic center does time end inside? When all that is left are galactic centers falling into each other will the next universe be born as they all merge and matter floods together. Has this happened before, many many times?

ignore it?

you can't define God
or you can define that God is creation itself
I think that's all you get

No one made God. That's why He's God.

An eternal intelligence makes a hell of a lot more sense than an eternal inanimate universe.

>metaphysics of God (i.e. nonsense)
not political

God has no creator. He has always existed

Isn't the grandfather the holy spirit?

Dude you have no idea.

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Whether it's God or just the universe, this question bothers me. Really makes me feel disturbed and out of it.

If there was a creator of our universe, it'd probably just be some fucking nobody in some greater universe where we're his ant farm.

How do you know that?

>Who created God?

Humans

God created the laws of the universe so it makes sense that he is not bound by them

Its called the Creationist Paradox and is used to highlight the impossibility of such a being.

Because that's what being God means.

Do you always just spew shit matter-of-fact like?

No, that's not what "God" means. God is not a verb for always having existed. It's not even what he represents. You're really far off.

>Its called the Creationist Paradox and is used to highlight the limitation of our understanding of eternity.

>Who created God?
God did. He is the alpha and the omega. There is not before and after. Your simple mind can't comprehend it. You only evolved with the logical skills to navigate yourself through this plane of existence. You can't comprehend otherwise, so don't try to apply these feeble understandings of "before" and "after" to something that is outside of such limits.

Why not the question where did matter come from? It is a worthwhile thought and far more concerning.

All monotheistic religions were created to be a tool to control the masses.

It was all about power and influence back then, but as time passed, they themselves started believing their own lies (fiction).

What makes you think you know better?

God is not a religion

you're looking for a materialist answer to a question that's non-material in nature. Science is not the only system of logic.

>What makes you think you know better?
To know one cannot know is not to know something.

The belief in an Almighty Creator is as old as mankind.

Longer if there is other intelligent life.

I have no reason to apply ideas of physics to concepts that, by definition, are outside of such laws. What reason do you have to think they are valid?

>All monotheistic religions were created to be a tool to control the masses.
This basic argument again and again belies the
stupidity of man. Not a very good control mechanism if I have the choice not to believe it.
God and religion are two very different things.

Sure but you just asserted a claim that you would have no actual way of having knowledge of.

Are you autistic? I was clearly referring to an attribute of God, not defining him by a single attribute.

Thinking about this always made me feel dizzy and like throwjng up. Still does

Okay but concepts only exist in the mind. Not reality.

If you're eternal then you haven't been created.

why are atheistfags so stupid?

All three Abrahamic religions worshit the same god (or G-d).
Yes, belief, nothing more.
There can be no religion woithout some sort of deity.

>Okay but concepts only exist in the mind. Not reality.
I don't know what this means in regard to why you feel a need to apply laws of physics to a conceptual entity that exists outside of them.

worship*
without*

>All three Abrahamic religions worshit the same god (or G-d).
Well good for those religions. That doesn't imply God must be attached to a religion, only that religion must be attached to God.

You can make up anything you want about a concept that everyone has a different notion of.

>nothing more
What is more arrogant?

To assert that there is no God without proof, or to assert that there is one?

But there can be a deity without religion

Trying to understand or picture in our minds how some things don't had a start or will have an end is hard or outright impossible for our perception of reality OP, God and the big bang remain on mystery because we are unable to rewind far back in time to know for sure with our current level of technology so I wouldn't go around dismissing everything just yet because I feel like it.

I never brought up physics, im saying you have the same limitations as everyone else. Because we cant conceptually grasp certain concepts, like infinity, does not prove your argument that an eternal being is valid because our scope is limited.

To me religious people are the same as atheists.
"I'm right, you're wrong!"

I simply don't give a shit about organized religions, because I know their origins.

>I never brought up physics, im saying you have the same limitations as everyone else. Because we cant conceptually grasp certain concepts, like infinity, does not prove your argument that an eternal being is valid because our scope is limited.
I'm not offering to prove the validity of God. Only that asking what is "before" God is an invalid question. "before" and "after" are components of physics.

You *think* you know their origins.

>Who created God?
God did. He is the alpha and the omega. There is not before and after. Your simple mind can't comprehend it.

Well then you believe something without understanding it.

That's not true.

>Well then you believe something without understanding it.
I don't believe in it. I'm simply relaying to you the definition of God and how by definition, applying laws of physics to it are invalid.