How can you still be a Conservative/Traditionalist?

Technological Progress and Capital accumulation inevitably make more society more individualistic, atomized, and liberal, focusing more on the abstract economic system than concrete units like the community, clan, family, etc.

Just look at what industrialization did to the extended family; the nuclear family is a weak joke compared to it, and with things like feminism even it's in its death throes now, and what has it or society even meaningfully preserved/conserved in the last 50-100 years?

All of our societies' core values have radically changed and will continue to do so, face it, change, in the liberal direction, is inevitable and what you care about is decaying and dying. Accept it and move on.

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nah. all those things you mentioned are disruption tactics attacking security layer of western way of life. So with security games it's very painful process especially if security is outsourced and out of hands of the "we the people". Nowadays "we" part has been hijacked by slimy rainbows altogether where they think they have some sort of power to own the people due to the "public service". Sure thing. It's always something with those sticks with no ends constructed out of string theory. Game over. You broke it you buy it. So how about that debt NASA?

because being a liberal makes you a dumb faggot ass SJW that uses violence to respond to differing opinions (despite any factual evidence at hand)

Also, most liberals are nothing but crybaby pussies.

Not all of them. Islam is still going strong and definitely not liberal. It will be the wake up call.

Liberals have a high enough IQ to spout platitudes, but not to understand that lower IQ mudmonkies won't give a damn about them or their ideology.

The orthodox Jews and conservative Muslims find it easy to square modern technology with strong family values.

Detroit.

I agree that society will continue to rapidly change before a healthy new tradition has time to be established, and then it will collapse.

When money only ever reaches the top, the lower classes need family and order to survive. When liberalism means less freedom and immigrants shitting up the job market, it's just a shitty system.

the winners are always capitalists and the losers socialists.

traditionalism is just coded language for communism.

they don't just wanted limited government, they want no government. do you know who else supports that position? communists, who want to eliminate the state and have all people run themselves autonomously in small enclaves like it's fucking swiss villages in the 14th century.

muh vikings, muh nordics, muh pastroral life, muh amish, muh back to nature.

yuh a faggot son.

> Traditionalists want no government
The fuck? Do you know what traditionalism even is? Most of them advocate for a monarchy or some other type of strongly authoritarian government.

and what have those values "changed" to? They haven't just changed, they've been obliterated. There is literally nothing to value in society anymore except for materialistic BS

fucking post-modernists have brought the fall of rome v2 upon us

another american fuck who thinks he knows anything, go fuck yourself

Your country is one of the most wealthy and advanced and also perhaps the most individualistic and socially liberal, or at least among them, in terms of gay rights, euthanasia, abortion rights, etc. Doesn't that prove the point a little?

>history is linear
kys commie

Daily reminder theres still literal cave men with their dicks inside their 6 year old wives being vaporised by restrained western tech. Their extended family and their enforced core values really helped them out. There's still cannibals living in the deep jungles. The modern left is living in a dream world where shocking gay me is an abomination but injecting little gay boys with hormones so they grow breasts is fine

>just give up

Um no sweetie, pre-Hitler Germany was a degenerate liberal hellhole until he came along and cleaned up the country of Jews. You will be defeated because the left wing is made of weak people always.

>community, clan, family, etc.

Traditional societies are prospering and growing while "progressive' are stagnating and dying out. What are you even talking about nigger?

> Progressive societies are stagnating and dying out
LOL, tell me all about the scientific and technical breakthroughs being made in Africa and the Middle East while we languish and fall behind in America and Europe.

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What good is that going to do when they breed more and the vague economic system you'really praising demands more consumers and the consumers demand more welfare?

Enjoy living with the cannibals and cave men

We had scientific and technical breakthroughs even before we decided that chopping off childrens dicks was kosher.

Accepting the modern delusions has done nothing to advance science, it has instead corrupted it into a pseudoreligion.

Technology is increasing productivity and wealth so much overall that we and you or rather our countries will more than be able to pay for all of the welfare anyway. We pay for welfare now just fine, in many instances it's actually good for the economy by promoting spending and moving money from people who don't spend to people who do.

They dont need to research anything you moron. They will breed like rabbits and then beg your countries for help and shelter which you happily provide. Then they outbreed you out of existence and establish the same traditionalist shithole which they fled in the first place. Its already happening on local levels, when whole neighborhoods look like its middle east. In 30 years it will be on state level. Whites will become minorities in their own countries and will have no political power to stop Islamisation thats already making strides across the western world.
You think so called "progressiveness" is new to the world? There have been dozens of cultures that paraded their degeneracy as if its progress. All of them ended the same.

>posting a satan worshipping, church defiling coalburner
Anything you said is no longer relevant.

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>Technological Progress and Capital accumulation inevitably make more

>How can you still be a Conservative/Traditionalist?
>inevitably make more
So, its not inevitably?

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>Technological Progress and Capital accumulation inevitably make more society more individualistic, atomized, and liberal, focusing more on the abstract economic system than concrete units like the community, clan, family

That's exactly why i'm a traditionalist: Modernity is designed to fail. I'm anxious to hang faggots like you.

It also has a dysgenic effect on the population, with the third-generation welfare recepients being practically groomed into a life of disability.

Happyness is not a sufficient reason to allow your people to devolve into worthless masses.

agreed

So do East Asians.

Probably has more to do with not being indoctrinated in Frankfurt School dogma as much as anything; I mean it was their express purpose to destroy the gentile family unit.

Dysgenics won't matter or be a thing for long considering we'll probably be able to genetically engineer people at least to some meaningful extent effectively and cheaply within 25-30 years. We can make people even better than they are now, increase average IQ, get rid of genetic diseases, create a much better world in general just by waiting until that happens and then doing it.

Technology for mass genetic engineering is nowhere near here yet, and that is without drawing into the ethical debate of the matter itself.

There is no technological cure at this moment, no magic wand that will undo the damage of dysgenic effects has on human populations.

They will be so devolved by the time the tech is finally refined enough to be applicable to them, that the elites will view them beneath salvation, or worth the effort of uplifting.

You are doing nothing but creating a new sub-race of parasites, that will only force the inevitable response to them be that much harser down the line.

Same way its not really worth saying that "communism will work if we all have replicators!", same way is pointless to promote the degeneration of our people as a good thing, since you have a science fiction fantasy of engineering Billy Bob and Tyrones children to be the next supermen.

no?

The most successful and advanced societies are almost universally the most progressive and liberal ones, at least right now. Japan is literally the only somewhat traditionalist example of an advanced and nice country I can think of. All other very nice countries, America, Canada, Europe, fit the mold of liberal progressivism and capitalism.

because social liberalism is unsustainable

the moral decay of our society has a significant impact on the next generations. unstable households raise children that are less economically successful and more likely to end up criminals. the problem is we don't see it yet, so people have this false sense that everything will be fine because the children of the 80's didn't end up destroying society.

within a decade, our society will face some very severe challenges if we do not change course rapidly

>traditionalism is just coded language for communism.

no it doesn't

most of the wealth in our country is moving away from places like amsterdam and rotterdam, which are degenerate lefty hellholes, to the south of the country (look up brainport)

except for Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong, Qatar, etc

You are mistaking cause with effect.

It was not progressivism that made europe and angloshpere nice places, it was the generations of inherited and passed on wealth through a more traditional society that allowed for there to be order enough.

When the communists took over Russia, it was at one time the perfect progressive paradice, with traditional family structures shilled in favour of their more enlightened free-love stuff.

That was stopped quite quickly when it was discovered that you cant really build a nation out of love.

>Technological Progress and Capital accumulation inevitably make more society more individualistic, atomized, and liberal, focusing more on the abstract economic system than concrete units like the community, clan, family, etc.
So how the Third Reich recovered for the post-WW1 depression?
>All of our societies' core values have radically changed and will continue to do so, face it, change, in the liberal direction, is inevitable and what you care about is decaying and dying. Accept it and move on.
You are just being a conformist faggot and for people like you will be more possible that 1st world countries will ended being sweden-tier.

You stupid goy.
Tradition and conservativism is what keeps nation going.

Liberal nations tend to lose their way.

Fuck the progress if your population is choking and is being replaced by third world savages.

Also add to this that W-Europe has quite a low growth rate, part of this is due to demographic decline, which you could also say is a result of liberalism.
But OP's point still kinda stands; economic freedom leads to prosperity. In order to maintain economic growth you need to put the economy on a higher and higher pedestal, until its the most important thing in life;

South Korea isn't anywhere near as wealthy as Europe, America, or Canada.
> Qatar
LMAO oil states don't count for obvious reasons, they didn't build their own wealth with institutions and the like.
I never stated or implied (maybe it came off that way, unintentionally at least) that social progressivism caused progress, technological growth, etc. What I'm saying is that capitalist economics coupled with technology or technological growth inevitably cause both growth and lead to social liberalism and progressivism just by their very nature. It's built into the capitalist system itself for things to become more liberal, individualist, and less traditionalist over time.
> So how the Third Reich recovered for the post-WW1 depression?
They may have been more traditional, but their economic recovery wasn't related, it was entirely economic, they instituted massive Keynesian public spending measures along with liberalizing or privatizing much of their markets and nationalizing some key industries and working with labor unions and doing a lot of things to just improve the economy generally. Look up Hjalmar Schacht and the NSDAP economic policy, it's really interesting and was well executed.

In evolutionary terms that is completely irrelevant. If you go extinct, then it doesn't matter how much hentai you managed to produce first.

Capitalism is the worship of Mammon and the institutionalization of State-backed usury--it is parasitical and inevitably leads to vast concentrations of wealth that tend to be used with evil effect

Of course this would be accompanied by moral degradation.

>South Korea isn't anywhere near as wealthy as Europe, America, or Canada.
You dumb faggot, South Korea is wealthier than Canada

>LMAO oil states don't count for obvious reasons, they didn't build their own wealth with institutions and the like.
oh well that's fucking convenient, isn't it?

i really, really, REALLY want her to sit on my face

Asians avoid most of the hedonism and multiculturalism, but are failing to breed. So they could be doing a lot better.

I wanna put my penis in her vagina, if you know what I mean?

Ew gross vag

Fuck off with your shitty and stupid definitions of words

> You dumb faggot, South Korea is wealthier than Canada
That's weird since Canada's GDP per capita in both nominal and PPP terms is much higher than South Korea's.
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> oh well that's fucking convenient, isn't it?
Do you not see the difference between institutions, systems, etc. building wealth and why they are what we are interested rather than just random geographical flukes of nature which happen to give somebody an extremely valuable resource without them having to do nearly anything to develop their country or make money with it?

Social adaptive strategy. Trads believe modernity will destroy itself at some point. Modernists believe the social evolution continues in a linear pattern forever.

History suggests the latter is more naively constructed. The former, however, is a very dangerous strategy if majority culture becomes too alien from the trads as it can cause a pogrom against them. See the history of Judaism.

Amish and Hutterites get away with it because they're still close enough to the Anglo norm. Polygamous Mormons ran afoul of the norm line and were smacked down.

what did she mean by that...?

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Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore have the same problems as many European countries in that they don't have a lot of non-shit land to build suburbs in so they cluster around big cities which drives up the costs of having more than 1-2 kids. There's also a general trend towards having fewer kids in general among them, similar to Europoors- probably because of the weakening of religious values which emphasize breeding.

Mainland Chinese aren't breeding because of the government's mandate. Mao the dumb dong really fucked China up with his "we have to do the opposite of the Soviets and tell people to not family plan" which resulted in an overpopulated nation. Now they're overpopulated and will eventually suffer a steep population drop that will begin in the 2030s once the chink baby boomers of the 50s-70s begin dying off.

However certain evidence suggests that redneck Chinese would certainly be willing to shit out more babies if they had the opportunity/weren't penalized by the government. Part of this is the fact that they're basically African-tier in behavior and only kept in check by the government. Part of it is probably also in a communist society costs are less important.

>society becomes liberal
>it gets conquered by others
>retarded OP thinks this is a good thing

So you have a snuff fetish then? Can't wait for Muhammad to chop your head off?

>traditionalism is just coded language for communism.

>Katy Perry with makeup
I would do unspeakable, horrific things to that slut.
>Katy Perry without makeup
No thanks.

>pogrom
>by liberal progressive cucks

Yes yes, all those Christian soldiers in the army will surely turn their guns on their own families for the sake of the Fagocracy maintained by the 10%~ of liberal, upper middle class whites in cities like Boston and San Francisco. Makes sense.

One successful strategy for traditionalists to use is to cloister themselves from society, like the Russian old believers do. Another is to infiltrate society's institutions like the Mormons have done to a large extent. The latter carries the risk that you get assimilated, however.

Breeding in cities is inherently more difficult than breeding in the country and in suburbs. With that said it's still quite possible. The orthodox Jews in Brooklyn and Jerusalem are the best example of this.

The social standards of a country are always important, even economically speaking. When things like community, clan and family are forgotten the social cohesion will be weaker, and this mostly cause that ideas like communism and marxism will be more popular among the ones who felt discomfort and at the same time lacks of a traditional way of thinking.

Also, pick related is just an example of what a lack of values and a foolish way of thinking can do.

you're fucking retarded

the reason the netherlands is so rich is because we are in a favorable position to trade. that's purely because of "geographical flukes"
every other country has the same. natural resources, easy trading, etc. are what make us rich and wealthy.

oil states are the prime example of why capitalism does not necessarily lead to social liberalism, you can't just ignore it because it fits your narrative

>per capita
South Korea is still in the top 30 nations in the world, above Italy and New Zealand, you fucking idiot

the left must be erased and you will be kiled

There are lots of places with better harbors or ports than the Netherlands or which have tons of natural resources, etc. as opposed to other wealthier nations which are still poor because the people of the country aren't competent enough to institute economic systems and institutions to make use of their capital. Look at many of the metal-rich African countries, metals require much more capital investment to harvest effectively than oil and so they can't get anything done. The Netherlands is primarily rich because the people are smart, capable, and productive.

Economics that ignore society and culture are intrinsically flawed.