Fascism is just a tool used by the ruling class to get the system under control, using things like nationalism, ethnocentrism, and religion in order to destroy all the rights and ambitions of the proletariat.
A great example would be the Spanish Civi war. Franco's army was composed by frustrated soldiers, moors from northern africa and german-italian allies. All of the popular suport was for the republic and the popular front.
Also, Trump is just a faggot controlled by the military-industrial complex and corporations, just like every other candidate.
Now the average person is much poorer. This has happened every single time. Spanish commitard has no arguments. Abandon thread.
Ayden Rogers
Thats a big cheese
Landon Scott
I don't see why you keep bothering making threads here. No one's stupid enough to fall for your bull shit /leftypol/
Nathaniel Nelson
In a true communist society, production is controlled by horizontal direct democracy. North Korea is a feudal monarchy shithole which just calls itself communist.
William Flores
I am saving a helicopter just for you.
Julian Cruz
>in a true communist society When are you faggots going to accept the fact that true Communism is impossible to achieve since most of your population will get killed off before it happens or the one percent that you try to kill off gets more powerful then they are now.
They were dropped on their heads as kids, many such cases!
Kayden Cook
national socialism has always failed, yet all of you faggots support it.
James Hall
>faggot 100 years gulag for being a homophobe
Isaac Clark
Can you share a picture of yourself so we can comfirm how numale/cuck you re
Benjamin Williams
Sad!
Logan Evans
>WAKE UP AND SEIZE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION what is theft ? >muh added value added value is a retarded concept. market values the products by offer and demand, therefore the added value should be though as such. Well, it is not since every month the worker receives the same salary. The owner is taking all the risk and since we should reward people taking legal risks this concept is retarded.
try to counter this argument. pro tip: you cant.
Zachary White
identity politics from both the right and the left are retarded
Zachary Taylor
Remove Catalonia
Hunter Martinez
This kind of shit just proves how uneducated Americans are regarding just about everything.
>OH B-but we don't need better public education what about muh personal freedom
Get back when you understand that not all leftist ideologies are "wen teh government does stuff"
Leo Mitchell
the boss is truly taking all the risk. When the company goes right, he gets the profit, and then, when it goes to the ground, the gov. bails him out, unlike the worker, who starves.
Christian Cook
No one wants shitskins flooding their countries end of story. You will never break the fundamental observable fact that there are biological differences between the races.
Wyatt Long
Thanks croatiabro, greetings from catalonia
Elijah Sullivan
And let spain go bankrupt ?
Anthony Mitchell
>wanting 85 IQ niggers to ruin your commune
Carter Murphy
National Socialism actually brought Germany out of crippling debt and Germany was the best country in the world after WWI. If the Bolsheviks never caused WWII then Nat Soc would still probably be successful, unlike every other form of Socialism that has tried and failed.
And I'm not a National Socialist, I'm an Ethno-Nationalist
Michael Powell
Both the USSR and North Korea more resemble fascism than communism. Stalin fucked it up and turned the whole thing around to fit his twisted authoritarian ideals.
Angel Hall
Exactly, we all know that the reason why you're poor as shit isn't because you're not getting the money you deserve for your labor. Nonono, that's too complicated. In reality, your shit-tier wage is low because Jews.
Jaxson Lewis
>not real communism meme
Holy fuck you people are walking jokes.
John Green
How did you reach that conclusion ? What made germany better ?
Thomas Hernandez
Somebody needs gulag.
Jaxson Campbell
I have over 50k in my savings account and I'm only 23, so I'm almost positive I'm richer then you faggot, and I made my money working my ass off for it, not so some faggot with no job can steal it from me
Ian Morales
He is so nice tho, a helicopter for everyone ? they will have to share the same gulag
Chase Howard
Hey how about that, you actually come from somewhere where "Real Communism" was tried, and was a colossal fucking disaster. Not only was there serfdom, private ownership, and forced conscription, but a skyrocket in unemployment as well as inflation. t. Ronald Fraiser: "Blood of Spain", Stanley G. Payne: "The Spanish Revolution"
Bentley Ross
And you need a helicopter ride.
Robert Moore
If a communist doesn't have a job and is a welfare leach, he isn't a real communist. I'm happy for you and your fucking bank account. I just wish both you and I could control the means of production.
Christian Sanchez
>retarded 1000 years in the gulag for ableism
Samuel Hughes
>Exactly, we all know that the reason why you're poor as shit isn't because you're not getting the money you deserve for your labor.
True. Sup Forums needs to stop cucking for corporations.
> Nonono, that's too complicated. In reality, your shit-tier wage is low because Jews.
Jews are responsible for usury and market speculation, which are huge drains on the working class. Jews and porky are both problems.
Connor Kelly
Fuck, it was a massive success, if only Stalin hadn't killed us all.
Gavin Foster
>the gov. bails him out, unlike the worker, who starves that is why im against the fucking government intervention. So again the state is to blame you blind gommie.
Seize the means of the government ! since they are the true thieves. Tax is theft !
Jacob Russell
>you and I that's still capitalism senpai Should have used we
Julian Gonzalez
The average Russian was much, much better off in the 1950s and 60s than in the 1910s.
Adrian Rogers
I'd be willing to bet that the average IQ of Sup Forumsacks who unironically support genocide, getting rid of free speech and other shit actual Nazis were in favor of have lower IQs than the average African foodless nigger.
Carter Williams
Germany, Italy, Spain, Argentina, and Chile did far better than Commie shit holes.
Jacob Butler
>communism causes famines and people starve to death >communism causes breadlines and people are just hungry
Both scenarios suck.
Ryan Sanders
Ancapistan, where cartels force you into slavery !
Dominic Turner
>the Bolsheviks caused WWII wat
William Hughes
Except it fucking wasn't, did you actually read any fucking books on the subject? From the table 'General Index of Wholesale Prices in Barcelona' (p258), where 100 is the 1913 price index (ie. a historic baseline for inflation), prices rose to: 168.8 - January 1936 223.7 - January 1937 434.4 - January 1938 564.7 - December 1938 Unemployment levels in Catalonia: January 1936: 55,288 January 1937: 91,416 From January 1936 to January 1937, production declined 30%; by September 1938 it had fallen to just 33% of January 1936 levels. Michael Seidman claims that "Prices in Catalonia rose 6-7% every month [during the first year of the war] Fuck off with your "Huge Success" bullshit
Andrew Foster
If you love niggers so much than ooga booga of to Mogadishu or Khartoum. We don't want these savages in the west, it's imposed on us by the kikes.
Carter Thomas
Friendly reminder that right wing extremism is mostly a result of sexual frustration
Nathan Morales
Yeah, sieze the means of my ass. Guess why Spain's economy is ass, because becoming an entrepeuner is impossible. Fuck you Fuck everyone like you I wish everyone who thinks like you are executed in the worst way possible. Die
Colton Kelly
Ronald Fraser Blood of Spain, page 367, quotes Fernando Aragon, who describes the peasant collective where he was forced to remain.
Three or four of the peasants with larger holdings tried to leave the collective, but the committee controlled all the seed and fertilizer. [...] [...] The committee members went around with pistols in their belts looking, but not working, like revolutionaries. [...] But what was even worse was that the committee members were lining their pockets: all the best food ended up in their pockets. [...] One of the twins fell ill with a kidney complaint. [...] They told me to walk. [...] "What sort of equality is this? You ride around in cars when I need to take my child to the doctor". They still refused. [...] There was great discontent. The women talked about it. We went out to work in the fields - and it was right that we should. But why didn't the wives of the committee members have to go? [...] I wanted to leave but I could not. We had no money, no means, Moreover the committee had guards posted on the roads. It was terror, dictatorship. [...] We could not get rid of those committee members. They had the arms.
Carson Bell
Protip: capitalism has never existed without state backing.
Eli Morales
Franco turned Spain into a shithole which based its laws in the bible. Basically what you people hate islamists for.
Leo Reyes
AND YET BABIES MUST BE PRODUCED
Christian Foster
Maybe that's because you have had few interactions with niggers. The least racist people are always the ones who live the farthest away from diversity.
Jason Diaz
I was referring to Tsarist Russia.
Jaxon Myers
Silly user
>Qu'ran is false >Bible is true
See you on the day of the rope!
Jackson Johnson
Who knew, being in a constant state of war destroyed the economy and production.
Wyatt Campbell
i can that that tip, but : that does not mean we should rush into a fucking gulag state.
Austin Garcia
This is not a discussion about how communism works out or how good it actually is. You literally don't understand what communism is, and you can't have a reasonable discussion with someone about something if you don't agree on what "something" is. Fine, we can make up another word that isn't "communism" to talk about what Marx proposed. But that's pointless and unnecessary, since we have this word and you're intentionally misusing it.
North Korea calls itself a democracy and even holds elections with one candidate on the ballot. We can either say that North Korea isn't a real democracy (NOT A REAL DEMOCRACY MEME XDD) or we can change the definition of "democracy" to mean what North Korea is doing, which fucks up all discussion about real democracies.
You chose the latter, which is why you'll look like an insufferable twat to amyobe who has studied leftist ideologies when you discuss communism with anyone.
Lincoln Peterson
Look you fucking mong, had there been no fucking war, the economy would have fucking tanked anyways, it was not fucking successful, it was a fucking shit hole, and the fact that your people lived through it, and you want it back is an example of the exemplary stupidity of the left. You choose to stick to your ideological theoretics, your professed static economic systems which "work in theory". Sorry to break your fucking heart, but they don't work in fucking practice.
Andrew Scott
Of course it doesn't, but private property and capitalism can only be sustained under a state. Even Adam Smith knew this. read the wealth of nations
Bentley Davis
>nearly 100 year old book based off Freudian psychology
Jayden Foster
You're still getting substantially less money than you'd get if you weren't cucked by your boss.
Owen Hernandez
It's a utopian ideology that has never worked. Of course you can't argue against a fictional perfect system. In your mind it's perfect and unquestionable despite the mountains of proof against it.
In the movie in your head you're right. In the rest of the world you're insane.
Levi Anderson
>Fascism is just a tool used by the ruling class More like communism is a Jewish tool to get the system under control
>using things like nationalism, ethnocentrism, and religion Are you delusional? These things are getting attacked by the elite in order to achieve globalisation.
William Wright
What the fuck do you think socialism, communism, and all the other isms do? It's all about putting the boot on the neck of the little guy.
Josiah Rivera
The creation of worker councils in order to control the production didn't destroy the productivity of the country. Yes, it did take a hit, but it was sustainable. Stalinist sabotage and constanty loosing ground to the nationalists is what destroyed the economy.
Lincoln Roberts
>capitalism is private property We've had that for thousands of years. Try again
David Perez
Scandinavian social democracies are the most leftist countries today, let's see how they're doing.
>all of them in the top ten regarding happiness
>highest on the human development index
>all while barely working 4 days a week.
Luke Gutierrez
Substitute the word 'Fascism' for 'Communism' and it's still true.
Caleb Perry
private property isn't the same as personal property
Michael Peterson
That's not at all related to my assertion. Try to define capitalism again
Which is it? You can't do both but commies insist that they can. Why would I like a system that immediately contradicts itself?
Ryder Rivera
>it's a "commiecuck defends muh poor jews when nobody even mentioned the jews" episode
Jaxon Reed
All you commie LARPers in the 1st world would be lined up to the wall and shot if a 21st century communist revolution were to take place.
You want to know why? Because you aren't part of the working class.
You are all more than likely working some shitty job in the service industry. You produce nothing but good customer service and ability to handle transactions. What kind of skills are those that can create a society of equality. The only place in the world that has real manufacturing power is the 3rd world, where our leaders plunder resources. A real communist revolution is one where in the entire 3rd world organizes against every single one of us and seizes the means of production for the world. Because what is happening in the world is that all Western countries have become the bourgousie. Every single one of us living in it.
But you think your shitty college bubble or shitty minimum wage job gived you the right to try and crush the whole system that enabled you to improve from the situation you found yourself in, just so you don't have to go through the gruling challenges of life and apply yourself. No. You people want an easy way out because you think you can hide your narcassism for trying to help the "workers" when you probably never even met an actual worker. So you idiot LARPers can keep playing your fantasy as if you will be the hero to usher in your utopia, when time and time again you sort of people were the first ones with a bullet in your head. You're all a bunch of useless idiots.
Russia tried killing the 1% and ended up killing 50%. You think you'd do a better job? A shitposter on Sup Forums? Really?
Henry Young
>not so some faggot with no job can steal it from me >some faggot with no job >steal it from me
user... I have something to tell you. Also, the welfare state is a liberal American invention, people don't work are thrown into gulags under communism.
Thomas Morales
No it isn't, can you read?
Jordan Thomas
>has always failed nigga its only been tried once and it did pretty good for the short amount of time it existed
Josiah Reyes
You two have so radically different sets of beliefs you literally live in two different realities between which no real communication is possible.
>fascism is just a means of controlling the populat- >nonono I see that you are wrong here, friend. In reality communism is a tool used by globalist Jews :)
Levi Russell
>It's a utopian ideology that has never worked. Of course you can't argue against a fictional perfect system. In your mind it's perfect and unquestionable despite the mountains of proof against it. You just confirmed that you have no idea about the basic principles of marxism which are based on dialectial materialism. Marx even argued that one doesn't even need to make moral arguments to advocate for communism.
Engels explained this in: Socialism: Utopian and Scientific "The book explains the differences between utopian socialism and scientific socialism, which Marxism considers itself to embody. The book explains that whereas utopian socialism is idealist, reflects the personal opinions of the authors and claims that society can be adapted based on these opinions, scientific socialism derives itself from reality. It focuses on the materialist conception of history, which is based on an analysis over history, and concludes that communism naturally follows capitalism."
Your opinion is about as relevant is 1970's American anti-communist propaganda.
Carson Harris
>Le horseshoe theory
Owen Scott
I have to agree, pretty impressive. Until recently, nearly 100% white too. Really activate your almonds. Now shitskins are coming in en masse and burdening the system.
High taxes + wealth redistribution is shit teir compared to low taxes + workers owning the means of production though.
Henry Ortiz
Franco wasn't a fascist. He was a conservative and a traitor. Try again.
Oliver Baker
This is the fucking problem with you morons, >MY PERFECT IDEOLOGY COULD NEVER BE THE GROUNDS FOR FAILURE >YOU SAID THAT ANARCHO SYNDICALIST/ANARCHO COMMONIST CATALONIA, HAD UNDEMOCRATIC COMMITTEES UNDER THE CNT-FAI WHICH PROMOTED FEUDALISM AND THE SUBJECTING OF LOW INCOME FARM WORKERS TO CEDE THEIR LAND TO THE COMMITTEE "GOVERNMENT" WHILE BEING FORCED TO WORK ON THEM, REAPING THE LOW YIELDS WHILE THE COMMITTEE LINED ITS POCKETS WITH GOOD HARVEST? YOU SAY MY IDEOLOGY LED TO THE PROMOTION OF FORCED CONSCRIPTION OF YOUNG MEN BY THE CNT-FAI? YOU SAY MY IDEOLOGY LED TO MASS STARVATION AS A RESULT OF UNDEMOCRATIC WORKER COUNCIL PRODUCTION THROUGH CENTRALLY PLANNED STATIC ECONOMIC MEASURES EVEN THOUGH IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HORIZONTALLY PLANNED THROUGH DEMOCRATIC MEANS? >IT WASNT MY IDEOLOGY THAT DID THIS, IT WAS THOSE DIRTY STALINISTS THAT DIDNT GIVE US SUPPORT AND MONEY (EVEN THOUGH MONEY AND CURRENCY ARE ABOLISHED IN A COMMUNIST SOCIETY), AND THOSE DAMNED NATIONALISTS WITH THEIR INDUSTRIAL PROWESS!
Jack Lee
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Angel Morgan
True communism is impossible. Iron law of oligarchy. Learn it.
Isaac Kelly
Also just to add, communism was created as a plot by German jews to crush the Russian Empire from the inside out.
It was built to fail.
Logan Moore
You based your arguments on a fucking work of literature. Present some real fucking evidence faggot.
Cameron Anderson
I'm neither defending Jews nor promotibg communism. I'm ridiculing your inherently absurd ideology that accuses certain groups of tribalism and primitiveness while being fueled exactly by tribalism (>them nigger joos gonna take our jobs) and primitiveness (>how dARE YOU STEP ON MY IDEAS OF WHAT A WOMAN'S PLACE SHOULD BE)
Jack Cruz
I'm a fascist who wants the worker to control the means of production through guild socialism.
Kevin Miller
Well, considering it crushed the third reich, it surely seems to be a great idea
