Sup Forums - COMMUNISM GENERAL

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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As an Incel, I'm frankly appalled at the capitalistic nature of the sexual order in Western society.

First off, you have the fucking Chads which are the sexual equivalent of the Bourgeois. The fucking Chads are the males that have extreme attractiveness, a tall height (usually ranging from 6'2 to 6'6), aggressive attitudes, frivolous sexual lives, and have a strong disrespect for ladies.

Despite the blatant neglect they have for the personalities and well-being of the women of which these fucking Chads fornicate with, they still manage to be extraordinary rich with sexual encounters that involve only the most gorgeous of women. The fucking Chads are also bound to be tremendously successful in their career pursuits as their attractiveness yields the confidence to obtain their dreams.

When a fucking Chad decides to put an end to his horny tomfoolery and settle down with one of these beautiful, cultured ladies, the newly-wedded couple will purchase a living space, live in it together, and eventually procreate to produce equally attractive offspring. Thus, the cycle continues.

On the contrary, you have us, the Incels, the sexual equivalent of the Proletariats. Incels are the males who are *genetically* condemned to short height and *morbid obesity*. It is because of our unattractive complexion that we are harassed by the ruthless fucking Chads business-wise and sex-wise. Incels lack the confidence to pursue their ambitions because we aren't favored by the opposite sex unlike the fucking Chads. Ergo, we end up working in manual labor, low-wage jobs forced to serve under the high-ranking, high-wage fucking Chadmen, the sexually deviant tycoons.

Then of course, they manage to usurp us sexually as they are notorious female-hoarders. This forces us Incels to marry unattractive women, of which then we will purchase a living space with, live in that living space together, then procreate to produce an equally unattractive child. Thus, the cycle continues.

This is what bothers me about our culture and the unfairness it perpetuates through the generations. But I believe I have the solution: Sexual Communism.

Sexual Communism will make it mandatory that people will have the right to have sex, marry, or procreate with whom ever you wish, even if the other partner doesn't actually want to. For instance, if an Incel kindly inquires to a gorgeous madame, "May I fuck you, M'lady?" she will be required to say, "Why, yes you may!". Even if she doesn't find you attractive in any way possible, she will still have to have to have intercourse with you. This applies to marriage as well. For example, if an Incel kindly inquires to a gorgeous madame, "May I marry you, M'lady?", she will be required to say, "Why,yes you may!".

This will yield confidence to us woeful Incels which will then fuel our determination and desires so that we may *not* overthrow the fucking Chad Bourgeousie, but rather reach their high stature so that we are all level and equal.

Applying the critical judgement of Marxism to the Western sexual order is just the first step. We now must apply Communism to this sexual order to attain bliss.


Share the babes, share the love.

Where's the Spaniard?

Classes don't exist since money is liquid and can change hands due to external, unforseen variables. Class warfare itself is a nebulous definition which only boils down to redistribution of wealth, but not for the people but for the intellectual class (an actual class) to obtain, which is what communism is, pseudo-intellectual subversion.

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

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Behind you comrade.

Get this Jewish bullshit off my board damn it.

In Welk land heeft communisme gewerkt zonder invloed van capitalisme?

>it's this thread again
Changing your flag won't make a difference

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says the guy that believes in an ideology that has helped jews more than any other in existence lol

>give me your redpills /leftypol/
Specifically, the work you do is always worth more than what you are paid, because the capitalist can sell whatever it is you produce for more than you were paid in wages. The productive forces of our society are controlled by a tiny elite instead of by the people, so what ends up happening is that millions of proles sweat their lives away while the porky bastards windsurf in Hawaii.
To put it in terms you might be more familiar with, capitalists are the ultimate welfare queens.
>my stance on hatred of jews and niggers will never change.
To say that your position on any topic will never change is to declare yourself to be beyond reason. That said, those "jews" and "evil niggers" are your natural allies regardless of what you think about them, because they are being exploited just like you are. The leftist position on racism is as much about pragmatism as it is about a commitment to equality.

The basic gist is that capitalism is inherintly broken.
Companies want to make as much money as possible which means paying works the smallest amount possible.
Eventually workers can't afford to buy things, meaning the whole system collapses.
Currently with automation we are going to see a huge loss of jobs that will make the concept of full employment obsolete - so who is going to buy things?
Communism isn't some grand fucking conspiracy about race or western civilisation - its just a question of economics.

>There is no necessary and direct connection between the value of a good and whether, or in what quantities, labor and other goods of higher order were applied to its production. A non-economic good (a quantity of timber in a virgin forest, for example) does not attain value for men since large quantities of labor or other economic goods were not applied to its production. Whether a diamond was found accidentally or was obtained from a diamond pit with the employment of a thousand days of labor is completely irrelevant for its value. In general, no one in practical life asks for the history of the origin of a good in estimating its value, but considers solely the services that the good will render him and which he would have to forgo if he did not have it at his command...The quantities of labor or of other means of production applied to its production cannot, therefore, be the determining factor in the value of a good. Comparison of the value of a good with the value of the means of production employed in its production does, of course, show whether and to what extent its production, an act of past human activity, was appropriate or economic. But the quantities of goods employed in the production of a good have neither a necessary nor a directly determining influence on its value.
- Carl Menger

Labour theory a shit,get a job.

>polish flag
Every time

It's just like japan after we nuked em. The people are fucked, most notably through anime, in your case, gommunism

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You think I typed all that up in 2 minutes?

You forgot to post the other parts of the university.

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>being a commie
Ummmm, no thanks sweetie!
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This is just not understanding Marx's LTV though. Its about the average labour time required to reproduce that commodity, so in the diamond example you gave, whether the diamond was found by accident or obtained in a diamond pit by thousands of days labour, its value will be whatever the value of the average amount of labour time required to find another diamond like it. Carl Menger is arguing against an argument he has failed to understand.

SIEG HEIL
ONE DAY THE REICH WILL RISE AND CRUSH COMMUNISM ONCE AND FOR ALL

Capitalism is in the deepest crisis it's had since before WW1 and 2. Recovery since 2008 has been negligible. The political establishment is in chaos. A big change is coming.

Kek!
Also were is the spanish? And sage

I want to get rid of private property, but I also want to genocide Jews and brown people and faggots.

Why do leftists cuck themselves to reactionary christian universalist "muh human rights" "everyone is equal" ethics?

>its value will be whatever the value of the average amount of labour time required to find another diamond like it.
Except this is false. Labor theory of value is retarded. Leftists don't need it. Stop trying to defend something that is indefensible and that you don't even need to advocate left economics.

And Marx was a fucking moron. Dialectical materialism is obviously some religious eschatological mumbo jumbo. End of capitalism is not an inevitability, and even if it were it is not necessarily the case that it would be replaced by communism. We need to kill them and bring down capitalism ourselves. And kill Jews and shitskins while we're at it.

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It's still better than being a capitalist

Can you explain why you think its false, though?

Bear in mind that value is not specifically "price", but more like a general "price range". Individual price is also affected by fashion, trends, tastes, etc.

I view communists and reactionaries with different, albeit equal, levels of disdain. Certainly, communists of the past were more idealistic, if not a bit naive. Today they are comprised largely of degenerate scum.

>Today they are comprised largely of degenerate scum.
indeed

Because value is subjective. End of story.

Labor only figures in by putting a floor on what price it can be sold for at profit, also determining what is produced or not based on predicted price and return on investment for the capitalist (good predicted to not return profit are not produced, and labor sets a floor on what is profitable). But the value is still subjective and the price is determined from this.

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That's why we need non-degenerate leftism that seeks to socialize the means of production while also killing lgbt, jews, and nogs.

Kill yourselves.

i almost feel bad for this faggot

Thesis: communism
Antithesis: national socialism
Synthesis: genocidal anarcho-white-supremacy

Because value is ultimately determined by our desire for that object, and thus intersubjective. A small golden medallion with an insignia hanging from a coloured ribbon takes functionally the same amount of labour as a small golden medallion with a different insignia hanging from a differently coloured ribbon, but one medallion is valued greater than the other because it is the congressional medal of honor. An artist could spend months or years on a painting and it could sell for zilch whereas someone might make tens of thousands from a quick sketch or an unplanned photograph. A car could cost a moderate sum at the time of its introduction but as its desirability wanes from the production of superior models, its value depreciates, yet some collectors might be willing to pay up to and even above the original cost of the car because they have a stronger desire for it than non-collectors.

One man's trash is another man's treasure, and all that.

But value isn't entirely subjective. Nobody would pay more for a can of coke than a car. Individual instances otherwise are anomalies and do not disprove the general rule. Value expresses a relationship between commodities, it expresses what they are worth in relation to each other.

some people (Pinochet/CIA) had it right

based Frenchman.
>mfw centennial

Keked hard from this pic. Learn some history.

fuck off you dirty commies

No. We must repeal and replace capitalism.

what, so everyone else can have just as shitty a life as you? fuck off you tall poppy cunt

During the Vietnam War the CIA through hung commies out of choppers and flew the corpses over the sympathetic vietchong villages as a warning. Pinochet, however, didnt want to wear out his good ropes. Its time for history to repeat itselft

fuck commies

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>eing one of the most recognized brands around the world, it's no wonder that Coke collectibles garner their share of interest. Prices for the oldest Coca-Cola memorabilia can be very steep, and even items made during the '40s and '50s are usually quite popular and pricey as new Coke collectors enter the marketplace and demand increases.

>Beautiful, strong colors with just a few small rubs to rim. Overall condition: Excellent. Size: 13 1/4" x 10 1/2".

>Selling price: $600 (not including buyer's premium) - Morphy Auctions 2/13
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>Chevrolet Beretta
>1990 Chevrolet Beretta
>$300
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And your entire theory goes out the window.

Currently a large number of people have shitty lives, all so a select few can live in luxury. This is unsustainable; extreme wealth cannot exist alongside extreme poverty without unbalancing the economy and causing a crisis. The only question is whether the situation will be redressed peacefully, or whether the have-nots will become so desperate they rise up against the haves.

>This is unsustainable; extreme wealth cannot exist alongside extreme poverty without unbalancing the economy and causing a crisis
Explain why it would ultimately lead to crisis with historical fact to support your argument.

>shitty lives
cunt i'm in poverty and i still have more than 99% of the world population, try your communism bullshit with the indians.

you are not a leader, you are not a member of the underclass, you're a privileged cunt who believes himself above everyone else. the actual working class despises people like you.

in fact, here's how much they despise you: me and all of my buddies are fans of Trump. why? he's successful as hell, he's not uptight about his wealth, and he has his own private jet. he even owns a skyscraper. THAT is success, and that's awesome. it rubs off on you when you think about it.

you middle class cunts though just want to rip off the truly successful people in society, and you justify it by using us. you shitheads need to die.

Our poor die from obesity and own smartphones with more pixels than most hd tvs.

>you are not a member of the underclass, you're a privileged cunt
Wrong. Actually pretty poor. But thanks for the random assertion.

>in fact, here's how much they despise you: me and all of my buddies are fans of Trump. why? he's successful as hell, he's not uptight about his wealth, and he has his own private jet. he even owns a skyscraper. THAT is success, and that's awesome. it rubs off on you
>it rubs off on you
Yes, HE is successful, but very few others can be - partly he got that way by ripping off his employees, refusing to pay workforce, etc. Exploitation. It doesn't "rub off" if he becomes rich by making others poor, and it's not justifiable that he eats hundred-dollar steaks while homeless people rummage through a bin for food one street over because they can't afford his rents. You're fooling yourself if you think he gives a shit whether you live or die.

back in the summer of 72' i learned communists make excellent compost.

I was driving home after a long day at the office and at a busy intersection, a bunch of coons, chinks and pasty fat kids were blocking the road with communist propaganda signs and an arm-link fence. this was the 4th time in 3 months. it was time to do something about it.

I got out, walked to the back of my car, and tore my license plate straight off. I then got back in, put on my driving shades, and hit the gas. the shrieks of terror and the thumping of their now-dead bodies colliding with my vehicle were the stuff of nightmares. apparently the sight of so many of their members being killed in the line of duty scared off the rest of those filthy stalinists, because before i knew it, anyone whose head was not splattered against the bumper of my car was now running for the hills, screaming all the way.

I had no idea if anyone had called the police in the ensuing panic yet, so i rightfully decided to book it. as i was running to the back of my car to try and reaffix the license plate in case any potential cops on the way home took notice, i thought to myself, "i can't walk away from something this big without some kind of souvenir." At first i thought id take one of their signs, but that would be too big to hide. Then i saw it: a severed hand, torn straight from the arm of some red cunt. At this point, i decided i'd do something interesting with it. You see, i had a small chili plant i kept on my windowsill that i felt hadn't received any type of nutrition for a long time, and seeing how worthless communists inherently are, i decided it was time that one of them was given a purpose in life. I wrapped the hand in some tissues, and when i got home, i lifted the pepper with all the dirt out of the pot and placed the hand at the bottom. to this day, those are the damn best tasting peppers ive ever had.

April 15 Berkely Ca, will it be the rebirth of the Lion Guard?

We need to stop the puppet Antifa and their master Soros plan for inciting civil war.

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>Yes, HE is successful, but very few others can be
So no one should be allowed to be successful, huh?
>if he becomes rich by making others poor
I thought they were poor to start out with, how could he paying them a wage make them more poor?
>it's not justifiable that he eats hundred-dollar steaks while homeless people rummage through a bin for food one street
is blatant appeal to emotion that should never be entertainted in a logical debate
I can afford 100$ steaks, but I personally prefer a 3$ chicken breast.
>You're fooling yourself
You're doublethink is alarming.

The masses become poorer while the elites become richer, until things reach a tipping point, at which stage they react, often violently. The old idea of the poor having nothing left to eat but the rich. See: 2008 financial crisis and resulting riots.

But the 2008 crisis didn't lead to communist revolution did it?
Why do you insist on comparing apples to oranges?
It's in the riches best interest to keep the poor happy to avoid that violence, yet you operate under the delusion that all capitalists are uncaring monsters. I can't fathom that level of stupidity.

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>So no one should be allowed to be successful, huh?
No one should be allowed to become successful BY EXPLOITING OTHERS, no. That's both fiscally unsound as a long-term plan, and morally wrong.

>I thought they were poor to start out with
Oh, you can always become poorer.

> how could he paying them a wage make them more poor?
Because the wages paid (WHEN they were paid - in some cases he found a loophole to avoid paying anything) aren't enough to have any sort of quality of life; they're just enough to keep the workers in basic food and shelter so they can keep working, so they can get paid, so they can have basic food and shelter... and so on and so on forever.

>is blatant appeal to emotion that should never be entertainted in a logical debate
No, it's a real situation that exists right now, and illustrates the basic imbalance.

>You're doublethink is alarming.
So you believe that Trump, deep down, cares about the success or failure of those in classes below his? Based on what?

>But the 2008 crisis didn't lead to communist revolution did it?
It came a lot nearer than anyone likes to admit, and the basic unrest still hasn't gone away. They just slapped a Band-Aid on the problem with a bunch of bailouts; the banking system is still far from stable, and the average person still feels hard done by.

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Not real communism, mate.

>BY EXPLOITING OTHERS
There is no exploitation. The worker and the boss agreed to on a value of the worker labor. If the worker doesn't like the proposal, they don't have to take the job. There is nothing immoral about an mutual agreement.
>Oh, you can always become poorer.
If have literally nothing, I can't become poorer. Period.
>aren't enough to have any sort of quality of life
Why do you assume to know what constitutes 'quality of life'? Please define.
> it's a real situation that exists right now
and has existed since time em memoriam. It's useless to bring this up. It is not my responsibility to feed you or put clothes on you back.
>Based on what?
By your logic, his own succcess. He must have those people WANT to continue working for him in order for him to continue being successful. That's what you commies can never understand. That just because you don't the current state of affairs doesnt' mean everyone feels the same way you do. That's why you movement is dead. Most people have seen throught the bullshit you are peddling.
>It came a lot nearer than anyone likes to admit
Holy shit. That is 100% false. It was never even considered as an option by the majority. The only people who believe that are living in a fantasy land.

>leftypol

please deport all commies to automated removal stations

>There is no exploitation. The worker and the boss agreed to on a value of the worker labor. If the worker doesn't like the proposal, they don't have to take the job. There is nothing immoral about an mutual agreement.
It's not a "mutual agreement", though. That's always been a lie. Employers have the power to set the terms of labour, and employees have little or no power to alter them. In most cases if you don't accept the wage offered for your labour, you simply become unemployed, which can lead very easily to homelessness and starvation. (This isn't a hypothetical, mind: this actually happens all the time in industries like construction and agriculture).

>Why do you assume to know what constitutes 'quality of life'? Please define.
Disposable income, leisure time, social mobility, etc. The cliched definition would be "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

>and has existed since time em memoriam.
Which does NOT mean it need always exist. The same was once said about monarchy, but we successfully got rid of that.

>He must have those people WANT to continue working for him in order for him to continue being successful.
No, he has to create conditions where they have no real option but to do so. No one would be working minimum wage on a construction site if they had a choice in the matter.

>That's why you movement is dead.
Except there's actually been a noticable resurgence of interest in socialism. We're certainly nowhere near the McCarthy "better dead than red" era.

>Holy shit. That is 100% false. It was never even considered as an option by the majority.
Maybe not in those exact terms, but there was (and is) a widespread sentiment that the bankers should have been punished or removed from positions of power for their role in events, and power returned to the average person. There was large-scale civil unrest over the matter. All of that is still bubbling up just under the surface.

>pinochet-inspired memes.
Holy shit, that loser wasn't even worth 1/4 of an Allende.

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>unironically being a tankie
>any year

>SMASH CAPITALISM

>Cancer threadCancer thread

>British shitpost

Post "political" faceapp pics

I think its good that people with mental illnesses have the right to open a thread

>American communism

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I agree

I love how you waited half an hour to respond. Did you think I had left?
>In most cases if you don't accept the wage offered for your labour, you simply become unemployed
And when no one accepts the wages offered, what happens to the factory?
>The cliched definition would be "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
I fundamentally disagree with that definition. You are talking about what gives you quality of life. What gives me quality of life is the relationships I build, which has nothing to do with economics at all.
>Which does NOT mean it need always exist
Neither does death, but we can't change that reality can we?
>Except there's actually been a noticable resurgence of interest in socialism
Precisely because of liberal policiey designed to shit on the middle class. To create an even greater economic divide, raising tension, til the point that idiots like yourself fall an ideology that has failed more times than I can count. You've been played.
>There was large-scale civil unrest over the matter
Agreed, but that doesn't mean that we were anywhere near 'siezing the means of production'. People know what broken ideology communism is. They wanted the regulations and redtape put on the middle class by liberals to be removed in order to allow the middle class to grow. The middle class doesn't want your revolution. The only way for you to achieve this revolution is to manipulate the current system and kill the middle class what is exactly what liberal did for the last 8 years. Now we are at a point that the younger generation, who never lived through an abundant middle class is begging for something else they've never lived through, socialism.

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look friend i'll keep it short so you keep it real
you're about to get BLACKPILLED

>theres 2 systems on a collision course

Marxism-Leninism, the theory and practical ways to achieve Communism behind a jewish ideological background

>vs the so called West

Greco-Roman civilization, the theory and practical ways to achieve self-determination behind a Christian ideological background

pick your poison and get on with it

Way to not address a single point I made.
Why? Cause you can't. Keep posting your memes. They are meaningless.

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>fuck commies
>tripfags as a brown communist
What did he mean by this?

>There is no exploitation. The worker and the boss agreed to on a value of the worker labor. If the worker doesn't like the proposal, they don't have to take the job. There is nothing immoral about an mutual agreement.
Most people don't negotiate wages anymore. The employers already presets them for every position and whoever's hired just takes that wage. People are so desperate for jobs nowadays they'll work for peanuts. When I got hired at my old job that paid $9.25/hr. I didn't negotiate anything, they just told me that's how much I was going to be paid and otherwise take it or leave it. The point of shit like (((right to work laws))) is to disable unions and make negotiating pay impossible.
>If have literally nothing, I can't become poorer. Period.
>defends the system behind his poorness
Wow really? I wonder why you're so fucking poor.

And then you waited almost a full hour. Clearly you hoped I had...

>And when no one accepts the wages offered, what happens to the factory?
"No one accepting the wages offered" isn't what happens; you have to accept them, or starve. I already explained this.

>I fundamentally disagree with that definition. You are talking about what gives you quality of life. What gives me quality of life is the relationships I build, which has nothing to do with economics at all.
Your economic status determines, and can limit, what sort of relationships you're able to form. There are people who literally cannot afford to have a family, raise children, etc. because of economics. It's not even unusual.

>Neither does death, but we can't change that reality can we?
You're conflating an economic system with a basic fact of existence. Apples and oranges.

>Precisely because of liberal policiey designed to shit on the middle class. To create an even greater economic divide, raising tension, til the point that idiots like yourself fall an ideology that has failed more times than I can count. You've been played.
You're actually partly right here, but you fail to mention that all the "liberal policies" are essentially pro-capitalism in nature. Capitalism is the root cause.

>Agreed, but that doesn't mean that we were anywhere near 'siezing the means of production'. People know what broken ideology communism is. They wanted the regulations and redtape put on the middle class by liberals to be removed
No, the working class - not the middle, who are reasonably well off by comparison - wanted wealth redistributed away from the top 1%, back into the hands of actual working people. You can tell, because that's what they explicitly said.

>Why? Cause you can't. Keep posting your memes. They are meaningless.
Pull your head out of your arse. You don't get to just declare certain views "meaningless".

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>When I got hired at my old job that paid $9.25/hr
Why the fuck would take a job at $9.25? Only someone with no useful skills would do that. You sold yourself short and somehow that my fault? And what is your pay now? Did you get fired to make room for another useless worker that was willing to work for peanuts? There is no rule that says you have to participate in the system if you don't want to. You have the right to say no, but your too afraid of loss of your comfortable life to do anything other than bitch.
>And then you waited almost a full hour
It's called eating, something I can do when I work for a living. Now go pick through a garbage can or get mommy to give some tendies.
>you have to accept them, or starve
but you said people can dig through garbage cans, beggars cant be choosers user. You know that.
>There are people who literally cannot afford to have a family, raise children, etc
But that's not true. Anyone is capable of having a family. If you decide you not being able to live the jetset litestyle isn't worth it, that's a reflection of you, not the system
>You're conflating an economic system with a basic fact of existence
And you are conflating the existence of different form of social structure. What's your point.
>Capitalism is the root cause
Capitalism is an inanimate idea. You can't blame capitalism for the actions of people.
>You can tell, because that's what they explicitly said.
Correct to close the income divide, not to 'seize the means of production'. Like I pointed out, when the working/middle class is happy, socialist ideas are laughed at.
>You don't get to just declare certain views "meaningless".
I'm declaring your ideology meaningless. What can you legitimately do about it?

Also, are you guys excited for the french elections? As General Secretary of the Sixth Republic, Jean-Luc Mélenchon will bathe the world in glorious fully automated luxury communism.

>But that's not true. Anyone is capable of having a family.
What is food, clothing, shelter, etc? Dependents are expensive. You certainly can't support them on minimum wage - and some people are, in fact, forced to accept minimum wage.

>Capitalism is an inanimate idea.
Wrong.

>You can't blame capitalism for the actions of people.
Capitalism is a system, constructed by the people taking those actions. They're synonymous.

>when the working/middle class is happy, socialist ideas are laughed at.
That's actually true - if the working class were happy and free from exploitive practices, there would be nothing for socialism to react against, no problem for it to address. However, they haven't been happy for a very long time, and that's due directly to the practices of capitalists.

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>You certainly can't support them on minimum wage - and some people are, in fact, forced to accept minimum wage.
No one is hold a gun to your head forcing you to do anything. You have a choice. You act like there is nothing you can do, but you and i both know that's not true. If you and your commie got together and started a co-op, you could live your dream, but your too lazy to do even that. You talk a big game, but in the end, you are too entighted to put in any effort.
>Wrong
But it is an idea. You can't blame the idea on the actions of people. The system is only as 'good' as the people in it.
>physical people=/= an idea
why are conflating the 2, i thought you were against that.
> However, they haven't been happy for a very long time, and that's due directly to the practices of capitalists.
They were more than happy in the 90s, kiddo. But then we get 8 years neo-con (former moderate dems) and neo-libs (obama) and 16 years later, we are fucked. It's not the capitalist system that's broken. It's the policies of the last 8-16 years and the consequences of those policies that utter destroyed the middle class in this country, because both sides, reps and dems, want us to give up the last of our freedoms because of a situation they engineered. No one should be foolish enough to fall for this idea communism because of it's track record, but when you keep getting fucked up the ass, it's hard to think it would better. The truth is that we need to drop an atom bomb on DC and start over. Free market capitialism is the only real way to give equality of oppurtunity. Socialism tries to give equality of outcome, something philosophically impossible.

>be /leftypol/
>get BTFO every time you samefag (yes, meta-supporting each other using an off-site platform counts as samefagging) on their forced general
>deny you get BTFO and cry Joos and muh capitalism
>post shitty forced /leftypol/ memes
>unironically believe in Marx's philosophies
>not part of the working class or proletariat class in any way whatsoever

What does minimum wage have to do with communism or the plight of the worker?

Why do you blame "systems" instead of people?
Actually, this is precisely why the USSR, DPRK, PRC, SRV etc happened.
You want so bad to destroy systems and idols that you forget you need good leaders and good virtues.