How can we convince normies that socialism is evil and an never work?

How can we convince normies that socialism is evil and an never work?

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By electing Bernie Sanders as president to test it
That's the only way for either side to find out for sure
BERNIE 2020

I'm so blackpilled at this point I'm not sure that it's possible. Even after their system has failed over and over again they are still motivated enough to use violence to enact it. People are doomed it seems.

It's already been tested several times, get out you fucking leaf

Elect Bernie.

When he disasterously fails normies will realize that socialism will never work.

I mean a Pharmaceutical company 'plotted to destroy cancer drugs to drive prices up 4000%, but sure socialism is evil.

Slow down Schlomo

Amerifag is right.

Venezuela is an example.

That sure stopped them the last 5000 times socialism failed.

Checked.

>Your parents and grandparents could get a job easily and had far less student loan debt if they had any at all
>There is a direct correlation between the young having a lower quality of life and socialism
>The only places where socialism doesn't immediately collapse are places like Sweden with a homogenous population of hardworking and intelligent individuals who do not place a burden on the system and such societies would be successful even without socialism
>By contrast, even a backwards shithole filled with retards like Chile can become an economic powerhouse given forceful imposition of free market capitalism
>Socialism is fundamentally unsustainable, as it takes resources from those who provide the most and gives them to those who provide the least, causing the former to not have as many kids and the latter to have more kids, causing a downwards spiral of genetic failure until you have a South Africa situation where 20% of the population struggles to support the other 80% of useless shitheads that do nothing but demand to take what the 20% have by force while doing nothing to earn it

I was thinking of gathering my libertarian friends and post around liberal towns with ant-communist posters with acts on the ideology to bring awareness and have people research it themselves.

Invite them here.

Why would electing Bernie Sanders test socialism when he isn't a socialist?

>Bernie
>socialist

>Socialized healthcare
>Socialized education
>Raise taxes on everyone and everything
What do you even think socialism is?

also
youtube.com/watch?v=zIddCEBCKHQ

Bernie Sanders is a self-proclaimed socialist.

MUH DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM

"A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Meaning what you said does not denote socialism.

What do YOU think socialism is?

>vote Bernie, Stalin approved
He's so old I can't see him being capible of running or maybe even alive by 2020

What you described is communism, which is an impossible fantasy.

Socialism, to my understanding, is an economic system in which all social services are state-owned.

I understand that communism is a meme political system but why do so many young college fags flock to it?? Do they really think that everything would be equal and work out like in some kind of disney movie? Honest question from confused nazi...

Your understanding is incorrect. I gave you the dictionary definition of socialism.

Having some public institutions run by the state in a (relatively) free market is democratic socialism. Comparing this to Venezuelan communism is a strawman to the Nth degree. It is much more akin to the Scandinavian approach.

I guess that makes the DPRK democratic Bernie is a social democrat, not a democratic socialist

The minute men (1960's communist agitators) got their asses handed to them during the Vietnam war era and changed tactics. They made a huge effort to enter the school system and have been indoctrinating the university students ever since. They call it the long march through the university's if I recall correctly. Look it up and as a lot of this marxist garbage that keeps popping up is directly related to this. They couldn't win with ideas or force so they turned to subversion

According to which dictionary?

And if you're going to bring up the differences between Venezuela and a Scandinavian country (Let's go with Finland), would you kindly state what those differences are for the purpose of debate?

cut university funding by 20%

Ship them all to Venezuela

IMHO a lot of them are just edgy kids attracted to the suaveness of figures like Che Guevara or the romantic ideal of the selfless revolutionary tearing down the establishment.

You have no understanding of politics. Everyone slaps on the label "democratic" to their stance or their party, it is meant to fool the ignorant commoner; like yourself.

Socialism is an intentionally deceptive ideology. When they say they want to give to "society," they mean the government. When they say they way want to give to the "public," they still mean government. Socialism is Statism.

Such bait.

That's bullshit.

You may be right. Perhaps that was what propelled Trump to victory. He was that guy in the modern day. He's not that guy anymore, but he appeared to be at first.

I'd love to see one example why.

I've done near nothing but study politics in the past three years, so please enlighten me.

when?

Whichever dictionary google gives at the top of their page. But you'll find that in any dictionary the definition is near identical.

The difference between democratic socialism and ancap/communism/socialism is that it is not an economic approach steeped in dogma. The entire thought process is to align incentives so that the population gets the best outcomes.

>communism/socialism
For instance, giving government the unilateral ability to plan production inevitably leads to production being geared towards the people in power, since without the "vote" of currency the people have no way to control what is made.

>ancap
The main incentive for healthcare companies, because they wish to maximize profits, is to deny care to as many people as possible. In this circumstance it simply makes sense to make healthcare a publicly funded service, since the incentives of a private insurance company do not align with the best interests of the people.

>Socialism is an intentionally deceptive ideology. When they say they want to give to "society," they mean the government. When they say they way want to give to the "public," they still mean government. Socialism is Statism.
>When they say they want to give to "society," they mean the government. When they say they way want to give to the "public," they still mean government.
That's a pretty obvious strawman of a political position.

You can't because it doesn't.

In what way

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someone needs to make a Communism World Death Toll Tour T-Shirt like those concert shirts

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Trump won because Clinton was literally the worst candidate in nearly a century, and the republican field was garbage-tier to boot.

CHKD

Nice bot, faggot

>garbage-tier
What about Jeb? He was the best candidate they ran in decades.

inb4 someone mentions Kek

Give them a six pack of beer, housing, medical care, and food stamps, unfortunately that's what all the lazy fuckers want. It's also why they vote for the dems. Thankfully more of them are starting to wake up and realize whats going on

and usa works? hahahahahaha

Prepare your asses for socialism for its coming to your country next hahahahahah

From Merriam-Webster
>1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

This may not seem different at first, but there is a wide gulf of difference between the "community ownership," that you put forth and "government ownership". Under the Merriam-Webster definition, Sanders would definitely be a socialist because he wanted government ownership over certain industries and proxy government ownership of others via increased taxes and fucking capital gains tax of all things.

As for the rest of your post, I asked for the specific differences between Venezuela and Finland's policy, preferably down to the actual text of the law's involved. I would prefer not to debate theory absent reality.

I think you missed the point of my post, so let me lay it out for you.

Socialism as an ideology is intentionally created to betray the ignorant and lull them into a false sense of security so that the (((working class))) may take advantage of the "proletariat." You see it very often with socialists using "nice" wording to make what they mean into what you hear.

What they say is not what they mean. It's classic political strategy, and frankly I don't see a whole lot wrong with it as long as there is an educated public to have the intelligence to dismiss it.

Venezuela and Finland are social democracy/welfare capitalism. Venezuela is only doing so bad because they never diversified their economy. Please read a book.

Jeb? The guy that based his campaign on family values and religion? Maybe I'm getting him mixed up with Ted Cruz but either way... no.

Neet here. If you wagies ever take my neetbux away there will be HELL to pay.

heres a thought: stop abusing opioids. die if you must, faggot.

LOL. If Bernie couldnt stand up to Hillary , couldnt even say she cheated him, how can he stand up to Wall Street, Bilderbergs, Deep State, Big Pharma etc? He would be endorsing some Wall Street stimulus plan claiming it is needed because Republicans are racist

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We need to invest in cybernetic enhancement and make it available to the population. Americans have the memory of a fucking goldfish, if you don't increase their intelligence, the general population will keep getting fooled.

the next president will be a socialist and there is nothing you can do to stop it!
>feelsgoodman

>the means of production and distribution of goods
>the

You seem to have ignored this part of the definition. "The" in this context would mean "all".

>preferably down to the actual text of the law's involved

No, I'm not going to read Finish law and it's a bit ridiculous to ask that. And, solely because I know more about it, I will instead compare Denmark:

>Danes enjoy a high standard of living and the Danish economy is characterised by extensive government welfare provisions. Like other Nordic countries, Denmark has adopted the Nordic Model which combines free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and strong worker protection. As a result of its acclaimed "flexicurity" model, Denmark has the most free labour market in Europe, according to the World Bank.

iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/files/Sweden Paper.pdf

>The Central Bank of Venezuela is responsible for developing monetary policy..

Economic planning. Two very distinct policies.

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You just have to convince them that public roads and education, not having a privatised military and police force are all bad things. It's easy

National Bank of Denmark Act, July 1936, Section 1

>(The National Bank in Copenhagen) shall as the Central Bank of this country have the object in conformity with this Act and the regulations given under this Act to maintain a safe and secure currency system in this country, and to facilitate and regulate the traffic in money and the extension of credit.
Smells like central planning to me. Capitalism barely exists anymore, basically all central banks are like this.

I think you're quibbling about Sanders. If he's going to work within the system, he obviously couldn't have called for nationalizing everything, but he would have been the impetus for taking America down that road.

>opioid deaths
>antidote

the only antidote for addiction is discpline and not being a weak-minded faggot.

>slippery slope fallacy

yeah, no

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socialism doesn't work, but I've heard really good things about national socialism. It doesn't have the faults of the original socialist idea. Can anyone give me a quick rundown?

At what point in history have we ever seen a repeal of a public welfare program? Politicians don't stick to their guns on this because they're scared of not getting re-elected, inspiring revolt, etc. Once that shit gets set in place, it stays until the system inevitably collapses.

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I have great faith in the american youth, soon when they vote for a socialist president you will all feel great pride in living a society with equality for all

My guess is (((Public Schools)))
Back in Middle School, we were learning about the different types of Economic/Political systems, and we were taught that Communism is the perfect system and that it would be world peace.
It's probably also where the "not real Communism" meme comes from, since they also taught us that the Soviet Union/other Communist countries were practicing modified forms of Communism, kind of like how Hitler's "Socialism" wasn't Socialist.

It's not even state capitalism. Just capitalism where the poor don't literally starve.

>Bernie fails
>Democratic Socialism isn't real socialism.

Not with that cringey Turning Point shit. Eesh.

He's actually part of several commie clubs

you can't
you're living in a democracy

>Half of them only ruled for a short period of time during a war
>Sankara even admitted he fucked up and had been brutal to his people, and he only ruled for 6 years
>Tito was based, but he ran with a cult of personality and was closer to a fascist than a socialist. Also he was still pretty brutal.
>Allende was about to bring the complete collapse of Chile and people had begun to starve due to widespread shortages from price controls up until Pinochet stepped in
>Dubcek literally moved the country away from Socialism and was deposed because of it

The overdosing is more likely than not because certain opioids are illegal. Because it is illegal and costly to move drugs, the makers make it with higher concentrations so that it is more cost effective. This is what happened during prohibition too.

>they never diversified their economy.
>You nationalized as many industries as you could in the name of socialism, but you only really built up oil because "lol it was a good idea at the time" and now foreign investors avoid you like the plague because you nationalize all the shit and you never had a market that would have naturally diversified the economy.

Yet the poor are currently starving because you can't even get your handouts without a bribe first.

achshually
constitutional republic

Even in the socialist countries like Norway and Sweden where the system supposedly works, socialism has still created a self destructive, lazy, and weak mentality amongst the people that will ultimately lead to their total collapse. Once the beaners become a majority in America we'll see the same Marxist third worlder mentality take over here.

Secular relativism was a mistake. Only God can save you now.

>The overdosing is more likely than not because certain opioids are illegal. Because it is illegal and costly to move drugs, the makers make it with higher concentrations so that it is more cost effective. This is what happened during prohibition too.
Because the state bans less dangerous drugs and subsidizes opioids.

>>they never diversified their economy.
>You nationalized as many industries as you could in the name of socialism, but you only really built up oil because "lol it was a good idea at the time" and now foreign investors avoid you like the plague because you nationalize all the shit and you never had a market that would have naturally diversified the economy.
Yet Ecuador, Bolivia and Paraguay are all social democracies and doing just fine.

Doesn't really impact the incentive structure much.
>Hand out gibs
>People are now incentivized to vote for gibs and those who push for similar gibs giving policies
> Rinse and Repeat until you living in some socialistic/communistic hell hole.

you aren't criticizing socialism ideology as much as you're just criticizing shifty politcal wordbending, of which everyone of every political standing is guilty of.

Bernie doesn't seem to have the type of bullshittery to attack people when the pragmatic move is to minimize risk of disaster to their ideals. Not attacking Clinton and the DNC's cheating reduced the risk of Bernie supporters voting for Donald Trump after the primary election. Bernie now remains probably the most popular democratic senator and has enormous power in Washington.

>accelerationism leading to americas bankruptcy and eventual corporate funded RWDS creating a fascist america
Its time for us to start playing 4D chess

>B.b.but look at Denmark
>Corporations have too much control (that's why I bought this iphone lol)
>Communism just hasn't been given a fair try
>In USSR I could have gotten a free education (in women's studies)

Tell them NAZIS were socialist. It's in their name. N.A.Z.I.= The National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Why does this teacher look like some disgusting jew I met..

>Run against the corrupt establishment and what they stand for as part of your main platform
>Proceed to bend the knee to these people for a half a million lake house after losing in a primary where establishment had rigged it against you

The fact that there are liberals that still support him is a level of delusion I simply cannot understand.

You do know that heroin and morphine are opioids right? The state banned them because they were perceived as dangerous, and as a result drug makers make them with higher concentrations. This is the state trying to create laws without an effective means of enforcement.

>shifting the topic
Venezuela failed spectacularly due to socialist ideas, but if you want to talk about those other countries I would like to point out that their economies are noted for being unsustainable too.

Not by making fucking stickers and pins kek

Yeah, and North Korea is a democratic republic.

You guys seriously don't seriously think capitalism is good? You realize capitalism is the source of unhinged hedonism and Jewish control. Not saying communism and Bernie DemSoc is good but Socialism is helpful in creating a nationalist populous and a working people. You should all know this considering how much Sup Forums loves to fetishize Nazis.

>You do know that heroin and morphine are opioids right? The state banned them because they were perceived as dangerous, and as a result drug makers make them with higher concentrations. This is the state trying to create laws without an effective means of enforcement.
Which they do because it makes more profit.

>Venezuela failed spectacularly due to socialist ideas, but if you want to talk about those other countries I would like to point out that their economies are noted for being unsustainable too.
So is capitalism, which will soon fall into fascism, the ultimate expression of corporate power.

Good to see you resorted to rhetoric. If the state wanted to make a profit, it would legalize opioids for tax revenue. And capitalism has been running pretty strong for the past few centuries even in the face of world wars and socialist powers, although globalism driven inequalities does pose a major threat to its existence.

They may hold elections but the way they go about voting is far from democratic

There is nothing corporate about fascism as it is totalitarian ideology based on a strong central state. There are no share holders or board of directors that appoint a CEO for the government just a single powerful autocrat and a centralized bureaucracy to carry out orders.

Socialism is simply the first step to communism. If you give out everything for free, your economy will eventually fail, and the next natural step is communism. People were already relying on the government and with a failed economy it's easy to start a revolution if everyone is starving poor.

Oh, so it's not true capitalism?

Which is why we keep telling you it's not communism.

No it is true capitalism, I am willing to accept that socialism comes in many forms and so does capitalism.