NoFap/NoPorn Criticisms

How seriously do you people take it? I've come across people who seriously wanted pornography banned, which is impossible to enforce, let alone insane. Do you really believe that porn is so terrible and that masturbating is bad too?

Don't get me wrong, mass porn access and watching porn all of the time to where it eats into other things is stupid, impulsive, and obviously unhealthy, but porn has existed since humans have made art in some form, and it never seemed to destroy or harm people until now, when we name illnesses to describe our lack of self-control.

Do you really believe that porn causes horrible health problems or something, or that they at least couldn't be avoided by restricting your use reasonably, and masturbating normally, not an insane amount watching porn all of the time? And do you actually believe NoFap works? Because I think that's stupider and more pointless than about any 'cure' method I think I've ever heard.

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Nofap is good for porn addicts, and I think a lot of young men and boys are porn addicts.
Much of what history channel anthropologists want to call "porn" are actually idols and symbols of fertility and sexual power. Our ancient ancestors probably weren't jacking off to them. They had women as evidenced by the fact that they are our ancestors.

Porn wasn't as big a problem for our fathers as it is for us. Porn in this accessible and private of a way has only been around for 2 or 3 decades. I think there's a similar thing going on as what happened when people didn't know how cancerous smoking cigarettes was, and sold them to minors, like my mother when she was only 12 years old. Now twelve year olds are watching giant dicks being shoved into gaping assholes as their earliest experiences of their sexuality. This isn't playboy or a video store. It's free, anonymous, and there's so much that you could never watch it all, playing on the male explorative/variety/novelty instinct and more obviously the sexual instincts in a negative way. Restricting access to porn based on age I think would be a good idea for the mental and sexual health of our future population. Maybe porn sites should require ID to access, like every other age-restricted product.

I'm 23 and I have ED. I also have a terrible porn habit. Maybe they're not connected, but it gets better when I don't fap, so I think it's probably related. Nofap is the same treatment of "don't do that addictive thing" that is used to treat every other addiction. If it doesn't work for any addiction, it's more a testament to what a huge problem addiction is for an individual than anything. I don't know what else to do. Imprisonment of addicts might be a better solution, but that involves a moral choice liberals aren't prepared to touch.

>I've come across people who seriously wanted pornography banned, which is impossible to enforce, let alone insane.
Lol what? Is child pornography impossible to enforce. Should we just let it out into the open?

>Do you really believe that porn is so terrible and that masturbating is bad too?
Masturbating isn't really bad. Pornography is.

>but porn has existed since humans have made art in some form, and it never seemed to destroy or harm people until now, when we name illnesses to describe our lack of self-control.
Pornography was limited to just pictures until the 20th century with the rise of vhs. Even then it wasn't easy to get your hands on porn videos. With the rise of the internet. All you need is an internet connection and people of all ages can access a huge amount of porn for free.

>Do you really believe that porn causes horrible health problems or something, or that they at least couldn't be avoided by restricting your use reasonably, and masturbating normally, not an insane amount watching porn all of the time?
Do you know what addiction is?

>And do you actually believe NoFap works? Because I think that's stupider and more pointless than about any 'cure' method I think I've ever heard.
I'm on day 15 right now. Haven't been longer than 30 days without watching porn since I started watching porn around 6 years ago. This is one my most important goals for this year. To finally be rid of it It's something I can actually be proud of.

>Restricting access to porn based on age I think would be a good idea for the mental and sexual health of our future population. Maybe porn sites should require ID to access, like every other age-restricted product.
This. It's pretty insane that with just typing in 4 letters and 2 mouse clicks a 9 year old is on a path toward frying his brain with all sorts of degenerate crap.

>I'm 23 and I have ED. I also have a terrible porn habit. Maybe they're not connected

There is easy way to try if you have Porn induced ED.

Open up your favorite porno. If you get hard, long erections without stimulation while watching it, but cannot get them without porn / in real life situations = You have porn induced erectile dysfunction.

Most sites don't even do that. There's maybe a popup that says "You must be 18 to be on this site" and then you click it off like every other kid does and get on with your business.
I'd rather they be getting drunk or smoking really. At least that's social.
I get half-ass erections from porn and then have to masturbate to get it fully up. I gave up internet and ended up only fapping 5 or so times last month, which I think caused some healing and better erections. I started getting morning erections sometimes too, which had also stopped, although it was only like a couple times a week. I have no sexual partner to test the real life thing with.

I think porn causes a lot of psychological problems like seeing women being friendly as being sexual. I also think it'll cause erectile dysfunction as well. But I ultimately believe in personal responsibility and I don't see a problem if it's in small occasional doses but yeah addiction is bad but it's the person's responsibility to decide when enough is enough.

maybe my exposure to porno helped me go full autist sperg and lose my chance with the few girls that i could've made a loyal wife out of

but now it's the closest i can get to having a woman smile at me with that look in her eyes, it's the closest i can get to human interaction outside of a hot shower

so it's a bit of a double sided coin

> t. r9k refugee

Tbh, the one time I did NoFap I went on for nearly four months and then stopped getting erections altogether, also no libido at all. It is not healthy.

Probably only worth it for those weak willed retards who always stop after a few days or for those who are not single.

Addicts of all types belong in mental hospitals desu.

Porn didn't do this to you. Most people watch porn and they fuck girls on weekends or have gfs, etc. The problem isn't porn, it's you.
>t. r9k refugee
You have to go back.

3 months nofap/noporn is the apparent rule of thumb fix for this fyi.

Related to this more than I want to

hey it ain't my business until it starts bothering me but I see your point

I want to have sex with a hot woman

I hope I can do that some day

I know. I've been on and off the Leddit for a year. It's fucking shit though, mostly, and ultimately getting rid of the internet altogether was the most effective way for me (but I have to have a cell phone for my job and even the most primitive one I could get can still access porn, so I ended up just getting internet).

totally agree

i dont think jerking off is bad, like once in a blue moon, you should focus your energy on actually getting a gf and or getting married

but porn in itself is straight bad. like just stoping using the internet period to jerk off, it is soul crushingly bad for you, trust me. i was there at the start of the internet and here we are

wise leaf

After living through hellish porn addiction and now being clean from it and nofap I can firmly testify that pornography is an epidemic and one of the leading causes of the destruction of men

Congratulations for entering the flatline

You really think people 200 years ago lost their ability to have erections because they did not have daily constant pornographic stimulation?

Or what about some animals that have sex only once a year during the heat? Why don´t they lose their ability to have sex considering how long periods of time they go without sex?

Most of these arguments "Use it or lose it" are just ridiculous and based on total broscience.

You don´t need Porn to anything. Your ancestors did not need it, it is extremely modern phenomena.

What a pathetic post, you should honestly an hero senpai

Fap only on weekends and limit yourself to twice a day
NOFAP is a meme but seriously don't use your bare hands when you masturbate, get yourself a $50 onahole and some lubrication
If you cant go M-F without jacking off then ya got a serious problem and should seek counseling

god bless brazil

>limit yourself to twice a day
>limit yourself
>twice a day
>twice

wtf? keep it to the weekends ONLY, once. twice a day? no wonder you have problem

i didn't posit anything as fact, you did. i said, "maybe", but you're pretending to have a full diagnostics analysis on everyone you reply to. you don't.

i'll leave when the cuck posters and communists and shit leave first. which is never going to happen. r9k is not safe for people like me anymore so you're going to have to clean it up before i leave, too.

i should

sorry to hear that friend

I'm a Sup Forumslack but i recently started browsing /r9k/ for the first time because I'm addicted to the feels. I've been in numerous relationships. Once with a virtuous conservative woman the rest with degenerates.

>I've come across people who seriously wanted pornography banned, which is impossible to enforce
No it isn't. You just have to be practical about it. Prohibit the production and distribution of it. Possession or use should be decriminalized.
The production would be banned on the basis that it's basically prostitution with a camera and prostitution is illegal.

>let alone insane
That's not an argument. You could spin your whole argument around to support child porn as well

Nofap is a bro science placebo for fags that are too lazy to lift. It's easier to blame teh joos and make yourself horny enough to fuck some fat trailer trash slut than to strengthen your mind and body through exercise. These threads aren't politics, saged.

>since I started watching porn around 6 years ago
wtf are you 13?

People don't start watching porn until they're 13
At 13 is when you first masturbate

>If you don't use sex toys on set days of the week you have a problem
Says the dude with legitimate autism.

18.

Is anyone in the nofap community an actual expert on this shit? Seems like a made up phenomenon.

I unironically want porn banned because I think it's retarded how people can make up to six figures by literally getting fucked all day. Side effect of capitalism i guess

It's for literal retards with no will power

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Day 43 here, just go for a run or do some pushups if your willpower starts to lose to your dick.

I just hope the reduced risk of prostate cancer is another Jewish trick.

works at doing what?
this. They think they're dick is some sort of nexus of happiness. They jerk it off a lot theyre happy but why are they so sad??? oh it must be they jerk off too much! i guess if you have a porn addiction (not sure howd u diagnose that) then its good? Idk who gives a fuck. theres 0 science backing up whatever superpowers nofap fags claims.

No fap is more then just a meme it is a way of life for men of moral fiber and testicular fortitude.

Porn is good for you and actually healthy.

/r9k/ is the one board I'm totally fine with hating us.

It probably helps ugly women cause guys get horny enough to do anything for them

Dont forget 1-7

I've been on noporn for about 6 months now, my only problem is about every 1-2 weeks I need to binge and drain my balls.

The only reason I started abstaining is bc I feel I'm addicted, so I guess 1 every 2 weeks is an improvement.

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Lmao amazing flag and post

I think porn is bad for your brain, but jacking off occasionally to pics of titties or something is okay and healthy for your prostate or something

How much were you viewing that you felt addicted?

6 months huh? any improvement in your sex life or any aspect?,

>flag

I first became aware of deleterious effects of fapping during the physical act of love.

A profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed.

Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence due to constant & intense fapping.

I can assure you it has not recurred since committing to NoFap.

Women now sense my power level and they seek the life essence.

I do not avoid women, Pol/
But I do deny them my essence.

>Flag
Haha I don't even know if your serious or memeing, but I laughed anyway.

It should be avoided. Porn is impossible to ban because of the internet but it should not be watched as it is addictive. Also it affects your sexuality gradually by giving you strange fetishes.

(((You)))

Well let's just say I've been watching porn for 15 yrs or so and I'm only 29...

When I was in a relationship I didn't need to jerkoff more than every couple weeks, eventually when I couldn't get laid as frequently I fell back on it out of boredom, etc.

It's nice to take a couple weeks off and suddenly the most vanilla videos or webms turn me on again.

Only improvements I've noticed is that my mind is less saturated with filth, I still think of girls in a sexual way but it's less shameful. I can look them in the eyes at least, but ime the best way to feel more confidence is to eat better and exercise.

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anyone ever get a happy ending at a massage parlor?

lol what constitutes a 'porn addiction'?

I doubt it's much of a problem unless you're already a neckbeard NEET with time to jerk off to roidheads fucking whores allday.

/nofap/ isn't anti-masturbation (or anti-porn, really). It's simply about self control and redirecting sexual priorities.
It's unreasonable to think people can go without sexual release entirely. Nofap works as a way of improving self confidence ("I will not masturbate for X days; wow I did it"), encouraging people to find meaning in life beyond the release ("I just jerked off and I still feel empty. This is what I was dying to do this whole time?"), and nudging the shy to pursue gratifying companionship in lieu of short cut that is masturbation ("I need to find someone I care about to enjoy my sexuality with.")

2017 year of /nofap/

Yes. It was a waste of money, considering I could've done a better job myself. The shallow post-masturbatory shame is especially palatable when you still need to get dressed and drive home, as opposed to just exiting some windows and rolling over on your bed.

No, but this one time I was getting a frappuccino and the barista was an Asian girl and I asked for a happy ending.

What is all of this bullshit about the healthy side effects of not fapping?
When I go longer for a week without fapping, I can feel myself actually getting dumber (which explains a lot about the faggot retards on this board).
Not only that, but it feels like my brain is storing cortisol, causing my to get flustered and chimp out easily. Once I fap, it all goes away and I feel normal again.
This all sounds like more roastie bullshit just like MGTOW bashers and good goys who want to knock some chick up to pay child support for the rest of their lives.
Dumb fucks.

Wow. You just might actually be a nigger.

>Posting the wrong picture

Shieeet, I better get started

>says dumb shit
>accuses others of being a nigger
Brilliant deduction Jamal. Have a banana.

I fap like, 2 times a week.
I think porn can easily become addicting and is inherently degenerate but I don't believe it should be banned.

If people with the sex drives if teenagers don't want to be able to even get it up in 20 years, let them.

You'll go to hell if you masturbate. And don't give me that "it's ok in moderation". Masturbating even once is a mortal sin and you should go to confession.