Every job, can be automatized.
Now! How do people earn an income if there are no jobs by default? It's all done by machines.
How do people keep the economy rolling if people can't afford to buy something?
How do people make new business, if they've got no job and no money to buy machinery to run their business?
It really seems like now is the time to setup a business and earn an income for all time as the next generation won't be able to.
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> keep the economy rolling
Why would you need to?
What are you doing for what purpose?
>Why would you need to?
>What are you doing for what purpose?
What happens when everyone has no money and is unable to cloth and feed themselves?
Who would be purchasing the products the machines make if no one has any money?
Every job can't be automatized. Only relatively straightforward manual jobs.
Name em.
Presumably it would be a gradual lowering out of output till stagnation.
Natural selection. Most will die. Get over it. Even if we pass ubi, those will not reproduce. Sex bots will keep the unnecessary enjoyed untill they die. This is all part of evolution. Get with it, or get extinct
>automatized
automated
That can be automated as well
Well, That is true. You'd only need to give em rights and so on.
Universal Basic Income for White NEETs when???
Every job that isn't skilled labor (plumber, electrician, hvac-technician...) or requires a lot of creative capabilities and improvisation (engineer, architect, doctor...).
All the rest are mostly jobs where you follow certain protocols or guidelines.
Like most factory-jobs, accountants, lawyers (for like 90 pct of all cases), translators (not for literature though), lorry-drivers, pilots...
Only a few people will be needed to intervene when something does not go as planned.
That's complete bullshit as there's people working on automating all those jobs including the job of making automation.
Engineer and architect are already fields heavily automated.
Talking about the near future senpai.
Like 10-20 years.
Sure, if you wait long enough everything will and can be automated.
But than we are talking about 50 years or so.
My jumpsuit is grey.
Grey tide station wide.
Now you're appreciating why (((Kushner))) and his apocalyptic Zionist cult believe this is their moment.
Their "Great Culling" will begin soon, though primarily through disease, starvation, and civil warfare, because that's cheaper than actually rounding people up and killing them. The goyim are just as dead, and it didn't cost a shekel.
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Will we actually have to stop sucking cock for pieces of paper (which arent even backed by gold like in the old days) and will have t change the whole system???
People will no longer need to:
1) Stay in cities
2) Work
3)Study a government imposed syllabus
4)Fall for numerous other rubbish
Our owners will never let this happen though.
Civilisation was a mistake. It leads to the progressive loss of our humanity and our freedom. The only solution is to abandon the machine and live natural family oriented lives, self-sustaining with our own labour and living in small mono ethnic communities (tribes).
The economy is irrelevant, it's just a chain around your neck. Wageslave to buy your freedom then fucking leave. The only productive labour inside the system is that which enables you to break out of it.
Stop trying to save a sinking ship, just let it sink.
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>Our owners will never let this happen though.
No one needs to work a 40 hour week but the system forces this on us, so that we can't escape, so that we have no time and energy to resist. Civilisation is enslavement for the body and mind.
go to bed fisac
I enjoyed this. Thanks
A dang ol' ss13 reference
>tfw just want to roam the lands
>Our owners will never let this happen though.
Robert Reich (the guy Bernie was gonna appoint as chief financial advisor) supports UBI
It came close to happening
horse gambling
also Richard Nixon tried to pass a form of UBI back in the 70s
Bernie was never close to happening.
We saw funds from the demovratic party bein redirected to hilary.
They were never going to let him win either way. Andeven if he did the same thing woud happen as when Trump won. Straigh 180 and hail israel and globalism.
Thanks. I appreciated your posts too.
Operator
>Operator
They don't have phone operators anymore.
Anything that has to do with arts.
Wrong. They already have music, writing and drawing bots.
Then that's not art anymore. Also it's probably shit.
You have a slight point. I was listening to a Jazz creating music bot. I thought it sounded pretty good. Expert after expert who judged it said the output was dull and unimaginative and was not even 'jazz'. But then it matters who the audience is. I still thought the damn thing sounded fine.
Did they know it was a bot when they passed their judgement?
That's kinda important
The job to oversee automation can't.
Fucking losers. I'm making ten million a day While you all lose your jobs.
Those same judges can't catch the differences in a blind test.
Yes they did, but I have no doubt their artistic analysis was wrong. They tended to agree with one another about what was 'wrong', and complimented the writer of the 'bot.
Steven King is not considered to be a great literary writer, but he writes a lot of good books that sell well (back in the day anyway). So the experts may be correct that the work is not 'good' by their peer-reviewed standards, but I'm saying those standards may not be relevant by any measure that matters if it is a lay audience that is being targeted.
And kinda by definition, most consumers of any art are going to be laymen.
I mean by the time we have job automation, we would already have a massive welfare state. For starters, the next big thing that is going to be automated is the transportation industry where the highest amount of people are going to be replaced with robots. That's going to be around 3 million out of a job. There's going to be a major populist candidate that will cater to those people in the future. Eventually government will decrease spending with innovative ways to then spend on people. Food is going to be cheap, grown in labs, machines will duplicate cells to make and process food. Housing can be made super cheap for less than 10,000 dollars and probably very cheap in the future. Future doesn't look too good with government control if you are really broke. I'm expecting higher taxes on the rich and full on socialism. Everyone is going to have an internet blog/twitch and people are going to get very educated in the wrong things but lazy.
Artificial intelligence is really hard to predict but I'm expecting a semi revolution with certain machines., but everyone has guns so nothing will really happen.
>wrong
** not wrong
Adding to this, everything will be ridiculously cheap and super efficient.
I'm sure solar power will be able to harness higher amounts of energy. Solar cars are probably the next big thing that tells creates maybe in 50 years but won't really be used widespread until 100 years from now.
The idea with full automation is that people can take parts of the automation for themselves and forge a better life.
Instead of having to be controlled by the government to reach production quotas the quotas are instead already exceeded so Joe Average can take some of the excess bots and have 15 servants in his new mansion on the Earth ring world.
>Automated mining across the galaxy bringing materials back towards Sol.
>Sol now has more minerals than biological matter by several orders of magnitude.
It's difficult to understand what 250 years of infinite expansion through automation would be like but the one thing that is for certain is that the lifestyle at the end is going to be luxurious. Even monopolization only goes so far when it's more profitable to let people do what they want.
You are incredibly delusional.
>implying those in power will ever want the masses to be their equals
With our current technology and economic power, it would already be possible to live a luxurious life of leisure. However, building regulations, a bunch of red tape and exorbitant taxation made most of this financially inaccessible to all but the very few.
Understanding that this will not be a reality in the future starts with realising that it already isn't a reality and that they are already halting your utopia and degrading our potential quality of life significantly.
They don't want you to be free. They don't want you to be wealthy. They want to rule over you. Wake the fuck up, retard.
I can't hate the US. Each time I begin to dislike the US for whatever reason it always finds a way to bring me back to harmony and to appreciate it's existence. What a great nation. I wish we could live like that over here.
More than half of current jobs are completely useless and wasteful. People, especially older people who think their paper pushing or button pressing job is useful to society, refuse to believe that a robot or computer can do their job better.
Get a gubment job if you can. Those will be the last to be destroyed and your benefits will be locked for life regardless of what happens.
We'll create new jobs,people will adapt like we always did. Also most of high-education jobs can never be replaced by robots.
Will Sup Forums become left-wing once 99% of jobs are automated?
I suppose when all Earthly things are automated, or most of them, we must look into the stars and there will be requirements for too complex jobs that can't initially be automated like mining asteroids and planets.
>we were never meant to die on Earth.
Marry an American woman. Real Americans share our DNA anyway. Our ancestors built that country.
Yes, it has its problems. There is ((( Hollywood ))) and the Fedjewrel Reserve. Surely, the government is just as fucked as our own (If not more). But the USA has one thing that we don't, a large population of patriots who love freedom and God.
Yet, but I think technology will eventually advance far enough so realtively intelligent machines can perform nigh every job humans do for a reasonable amount of money
>But the USA has one thing that we don't, a large population of patriots who love freedom and God
This. Our nation has abandoned God, and God has abandoned us. Guess that's one of the reasons why everything is going downhill here. America has its problems, but not like we've had for so many years. So much class difference and disunity. No patriotism or love of freedom. We've been played against each other since the Norman Conquest in 1066. Maybe I will go to the US to marry and settle down one day. Our women aren't worth it and this country is a mess.
Hate to say it, but this is the one area where the leftists are right. If workers owned the MoP, then the automated factories would work for us.
Socialism is simply the working class owning the MoP. Anything else tacked on to that is usually Marxist or regressive bullshit.
Planned economies, progressive tax rates, direct democracy (mob rule) federations, etc are all anti-liberty leftist drivel.
Problem is: How do when attain ownership?
>Marxist: Use the state
>Left-Anarchist: Abolish the state and kill property owners.
>Right-Libertarian: Unionize and buy out shareholders/owners.
Imagine this society:
>Completely free-market
>Third party independent associations that test, rate and set standards for products; such as the ADA for toothpaste.
>Every company is a co-opt.
from an economic stand point, a machine is nothing more that the sum of work combined to build it and maintain it
So, machine are human work
Automation engineer here
While robots can generally replace a lot of low skilled labour you still need operators to keep the fuckers in check which is not exactly skilled work in it self
As for new businesses I would say it's almost the reversed now since you can buy relativly cheap and effective robots for extremly low upkeep costs compared to regular workers.
I myself have had to work with some really old specimens that a company bought for a bargain second hand.
a machine is just an advanced tool
it doesn't change the economical doctrine
yes less and less people will be required to work
universal welfare is unevitable
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Get rekted, that's what.
Thanks for that
Not every job, but most.
Leftards see it as a wondeffull thing because they're lazy entitled pieces of shit who don't understand how things functions.
Capitalists feign to ignore it's going to wipe their consumers buying power.
And it's actuaĺly a good thing in both cases because, as these 2 groups still fight over erroneous postulates, automation will happen.
What does happdn to countries where the largest part of the population does not contribute?
They become dictatorships, because you don't have to negotiate with moochers.
Expect rampant poverty coming from a "benevolent" dictatorship larping as "redistributive" while doing the exact opposite.
China is already paying people who have been dismissed from work because of machines. I guess if people weren't that greedy, machines could work and make everything free so people can use food and basic items without paying for them. Then humanity can use it's free time for focusing on self improvement and doing their own things. But we all know that is an Utopia.
Shitposting and meme making can't be automated
We need to open programs for Sup Forums posters and normies can die from hunger
Something like universal basic income can only work lead to a successful society if there are also restrictions on reproduction.
Only the 10-20% of people that are intelligent enough to still have a highly skilled job should be allowed to have kids.
Otherwise, the unintelligent unproductive majority that lives on government welfare will just shit out kids like there's no tomorrow, until resources are too strained and the average IQ drops to the point where there's not enough smart people around to keep society functioning.
reminds me of black mirror
Ever noticed in America how you can be a professional wood chopper or tree climber or some other obscure sport? Those will be the jobs when manual labour and mindless paper shuffling are gone.
Be an original intersting and inventive person, or fuck off and die. Sounds fantastic.
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I've thought about this a lot, and honestly I don't know. I would like to think we would return to how it was before the industrial revolution and people would go back to being craftsmen who make things by hand but I don't know.
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You're wrong about the skilled labor. I'm involved incommercial construction, and we pre fab everything. This means that we build 20 foot racks holding all the HVAC, plumbing, electrical, sprinkler, days in our shop and simply connect the racks together out in the field.
Unskilled Mexicans do all the labor in fabrication, while the guys making 40$ a hour simply just bolt the racks together. They will soon be replaced by robots. Our hanger system already has.
the unemployed will be cremated