CATHOLIC GENERAL >DEDICATED CATHOLIC GENERALS EVERY SUNDAY
Everyone is welcome. Discuss news, ask question, give answers, be kind to one another, and above all assist one another in living the virtuous life. Did your priest cover the crucifix & statues in violet, anons?
>catholics >creating shrines and worshipping and praying to false gods (muh saints, muh mother mary) isnt an affront to Christ and a vehement violation of the 2nd Commandment but Father Whogivesafuck said i didnt have to read the bible so its ok
Matthew 23:9 >And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
You should right your wrongs now you hethens, your institution has been infiltrated and subverted by Jews and Jesuits
Gabriel Bell
>2017 >Protestants still don't understand that prayers to mary and the saints are asking for intercession
Carter Lopez
happy easter friend
take this bump
also nice digits, kek vult
Logan Hernandez
We ask saints in prayer to lift our intentions to God. The statement of worshipping any saint and even the greatest saint, Mary is false.
Catholics don't read a lot of the bible because we have a lot of canon doctrine as well. The catholicism and canon letters for example.
Aaron Carter
>digits DEUS VULT
Owen Evans
>quads NO NOBIS DOMINE
Grayson Wright
Checked
Carson Long
Terra Tremuit!
Chase Myers
>MaryWorship >The Hail Mary literally says 'PRAY FOR US sinners now'
Why do Prods focus on:
>5 For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus
But ignore the 4 verses before: >I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men:
>2 For kings, and for all that are in high station: that we may lead a quiet and a peaceable life in all piety and chastity.
>3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour,
>4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
If it is 'good' for us to pray for others, surely it stands to reason that those who've pleased God so much as to be granted eternal salvation, & are therefore in his favour, should be asked to pray for us?
David Ross
To make sure this thread doesn't die, I'll try and get a conversation started: Has any user ever experienced an encounter with the supernatural, be it demonic possessions, visits by angels, visions of Christ or mary, etc? I obviously agree with the Church that those are all very real, but have never actually encountered them myself, and would love to know about any encounters you all have had. The more detail the better
Gabriel Howard
Happy Easter user
He IS risen!
Jeremiah Clark
Happy Easter Sup Forums
Have a blessed day
Colton Reyes
>I have a question for Catholics.
I have recently started to study Roman Catholicism and after studying one of the core beliefs, a question arised in my head. One big difference between Roman Catholicism and Protestantism is the value of faith alone as opposed to works, faith and God's grace working together in a synergistic way to bring about your salvation, which would be the Catholic view. This then brings me to my question. What was Christ's purpose when dying on the cross. As a protestant I believe that he died for my sins, all of them and for once and for all and so there is nothing I can possibly do to add on to that perfect sacrifice. So then I ask you if you believe that we must do good works to stay saved and committing mortal sins, which Christ died for, can make us lose that salvation then what did Christ accomplish on the cross then if there are things that we can do to lose salvation and there are sins that we must repent for. Didn't Christ die for all sins?
Elijah Perry
Well why dont you fucking niggers ask JESUS...um idk the man who gave you salvation in the first place?! you are worshipping false gods and creating graven images of these humans and elevating their status. we're all saints for those who believe in Christ Jesus, stop praying to and worshipping demons!
and especially you, dude I just sent you a shrine which people bow down and worship and its Mary, there's a few lines of which Jesus himself rebukes his own mother Mary. Not only that, but you pray on rosary beads and say Hail Mary's...it's nice to know history and elevate humans above yourself, but sometimes you dumb fucks elevate them above Jesus and it's heretical.
And what do you do when you accept sacrament? Do you not bow down to man specifically named Father? Try to find anyone who bows down to someone in the new testament (you'll find lots) but the only one who lets them is Jesus.
Anthony Russell
>This then brings me to my question. What was Christ's purpose when dying on the cross. As a protestant I believe that he died for my sins, all of them and for once and for all and so there is nothing I can possibly do to add on to that perfect sacrifice. So then I ask you if you believe that we must do good works to stay saved and committing mortal sins, which Christ died for, can make us lose that salvation then what did Christ accomplish on the cross then if there are things that we can do to lose salvation and there are sins that we must repent for. Didn't Christ die for all sins? He did, and through that salvation is given to mankind.
However, as you rightly say you ned faith, but Christ makes clear that you need works with that faith:
Matthew 7:21: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Matthew 7:24-27: "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash." Matthew 21:28-31: "‘But what do you think? A certain man had two sons, and he came to the first and said: "Son, go work today in my vineyard." He answered: "I will not," but afterwards he repented and went. So he came to the second and said likewise, and he answered and said: "I go, sir," but did not go. Which of the two has done the will of his father?’ They said to him: ‘The first.’ Jesus said to them: ‘Verily, I say to you: The publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.’" 1/2
Austin Robinson
Many Prods often fram this as an either/or question >Faith or Works
But Catholics frame it another way: >Faith AND Works
And the Catholic viewpoint is Biblical James 2:17 > So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
Eli Reyes
Luke 8:21: "But He answered and said to them, 'My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.' " John 5:29: "And will come out, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." And we can look to the words of the apostles and confirm this: Acts 26:20: "First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds."
Romans 2:6-16: For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury. There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, but glory and honor and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality. All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus." And of course, there is James chepter 2. From this, we can see Jesus and the apostles put emphasis on not just believing, but acting on that belief, as james puts it, faith without works is "dead" 2/?
Samuel Cruz
This is why the church maintains that you need not just faith, but Grace, Faith and Works for salvation, for if you do not have works, then you have "dead" faith, and if you have dead faith, then how can you expect to get into the kingdom of heaven?
Oliver Sanchez
>Christ makes clear that you need works with that faith You do not need works but rather the works are the fruits of the faith. If your faith does not produce good fruits then it is false and not true faith.
>Matthew 7:21: Yeah, but if you read john 14:15 then you will see that us loving christ is the motivator, not us trying to get right with god but rather showing our love to him the way a father shows his love to his son. Not to get something out of him but rather just to show love.
>Faith or Works That is how I frame it.
>Faith AND Works I disagree. You cannot go the way of the law and of faith because they are two different paths. One who is trying to achieve righteousness by works has to keep all the law, which is impossible and but with faith we are free from the curse of the law and ride along using the righteousness of out lord not our own, which are called filthy rags in Isaiah 64:6
Chase Walker
Happy Easter, brothers in Christ!
Nathaniel Cook
>This is why the church maintains that you need not just faith, but Grace, Faith is a gift given to us through grace.
>if you do not have works, then you have "dead" faith yes but faith alone, if it is true, will produce good works. read my response here:
Jaxson Campbell
And what pisses me off most about Catholics is you fuckers call everybody else who actually reads the bible and isnt spoonfed shit by virgins in a dress "Protestants". Fuck off
so you're praying to someone to pray for you? Really makes you think!
Matthew 7:23 >And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
If Jesus can say "I never knew you" to the non-saved, then it must mean he knows all who is saved. So why would you pray to anyone but him?
Angel Lee
That's necromancy though. And what Catholics do is far beyond just asking for intercession. I mean you build statues rock back and forth while praying to marry.
Andrew Adams
History repeats itself over and over. There was/were (a) previous empire(s) that look much like the current ones. It and others too were steeped with religious practices of a God/God(s). Of saints, messiahs, priest class, trinities, and followers. Every empire for all of history proclaims their and only their God (Gods) are the true creators.
As the people toil under the banister of faith and belief administered by a clergy and order. As they march to the drum beat in hopes that their actions afford them a rewarding after-life.
> But but my God and belief system is true.. > But but the others were savages.. pagans.. false worshippers and Gods > But but history isn't connected
Camden Gutierrez
>If your faith does not produce good fruits then it is false and not true faith. So then you agree, that good works are needed for true faith? I don't understand what you disagree with then. If you need good works for true faith, then you need good works. If you lump it into faith or not is pure semantics.
Joshua Evans
digits checked and bump for Christianity. We are all on the defence now.
Jacob Ross
Don't mean to tell you your faith user, but as a protestant, you're supposed to believe in sola scriptura. So when I quote a verse that clearl says faith & works go together, you're not supposed to say 'I disagree'
Joshua King
>Watched zeitgeist >Because there are lots of religions, all must be false
The existence of fake bank notes do not disprove the existence of genuine bank notes user; they prove it
Leo Perry
>So then you agree, that good works are needed for true faith? What I meant is works are not needed at all but are rather proofs of faith. When someone is declared in the heavenly council that you are made just before god, there is nothing you can do to revoke that righteousness. Theoretically, you could go on a mass killing spree and still be saved but due to the love of god, god has put into us we would never do that. In the bible, David was known as a man after god's own heart but then he committed mortal sins IE adultery and fornication. But despite this, he still was saved due to god. Later on, thanks to god, he returns to his godly state and carried on the path to righteousness.
Dylan Williams
>'I disagree' Pardon me. I was meant to say I disagree with your conclusion. Here's a piece of scripture.
>For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Romans 3:28
Also, I agree with sola scriptura. Pardon my rudeness.
Angel Kelly
I'm a Pentecostal, but you guys are alright by me. You definitely need to get rid of your current Pope, though.
Owen Thompson
No need for apologies here user, there are far more offensive things on Sup Forums than disagreement.
So judging by your statements , you believe in predestination? So how then do you square that with Christ's decision to give Peter the power to loose or retain sins?
>And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
It would seem clear that, even if you insist a heavenly council has some say, Peter, & as a result his successor, also has a say in the decision whether someone is worthy of heaven?
Hudson Brown
I haven't been feeling very well with my faith, fellow Catholicbros. I've had some struggles in the past few years, but these last weeks have been terrible for me. I've been feeling depressed and with lots of doubts. It has to do with my artistic skills. I've loved anime all my life (in part, that's a reason why I'm here in Sup Forums), and I've been teaching myself to draw, and I've become decent at it. I've been posting my art on some boards here and I've got an artblog too, and people seem to really like it. But I've noticed that pretty much every artist on this site has drawn or currently draws porn alongside their SFW works, and the folks at /ic/ seem to agree that drawing porn is something that a lot of excellent artists do. I made a post about this on /adv/ a few weeks ago on this, asking for suggestions on what to do. I stated there that I was only "moderately religious", but truth is that my religion is actually quite important for me. I can't just forget about everything I've learnt from my parents, who are indeed, much more religious than I am, and everything I've experienced in my life in the Church. My big problem is that I want to make a living out of drawing, and that drawing NSFW is a possible way to get a high amount of it. One of my flaws is that I've become somewhat materialistic, and as such, I want money to buy things such as PC upgrades, video games and manga. However, at the same time, I think that learning to win money by myself will help me in my future as a professional and will be good for my parents (with whom I still live with), as they won't have to pay for everything I actually need (food, internet, phone...). Ever since I met with this condundrum, I've been having doubts about my faith. "Is it really that bad? Is it bad at all?" I've asked to myself, and as I mentioned on that thread, I've done "mental gymnastics" rather than talking to someone with knowledge about the topic.
Noah Rodriguez
TL;DR: I've been tempted to draw porn for a living, and it's making me feel nasty.
Jonathan Kelly
You sir, just gave me something to research. I will admit defeat but one hypothesis I have would be that it was to be taken as a hyperboly. Meaning that since peter was the rock the foundation the church was to be built upon he was the person letting people enter into the church ad for early converts.
>text does not teach Peter being the rock means he is unique supreme leader of the church as a whole or that his keys signify his successors and he govern the church as chief stewards with Eliakim’s key of the house of David from Isaiah 22:22. This greentext is not mine but rather from this link: reformedapologeticsministries.com/2014/03/does-matthew-16-teach-peter-is-rock.html
Asher Adams
user, that sounds like something you should talk to a priest about user. While drawing porn is never something the Church would condone, there surely must be other ways to make a living drawing, right?
Unfortunately, I'm not really an expert on the subject of making money through art, so I won't be much help, but I'll pray for God to guide you
Gavin Nguyen
> Reads one religious text > Gets the feels about it > Believes in one religious text's claim to be the correct religion > Everybody else is wrong > Have tons of other monotheistic religious that speak accordingly
> Ignores Similarities to other religious > Ignore Similarities to previous religious that existed before it > Ignores the 10 commandments existed in written law of a previous religion > Ignores history essentially .. 1000s of years of it > Ignores the history of the root language of hebrew > Makes basic b*tch comment in defense of it.
Ayden Allen
>I will admit defeat
No need for that user. Debate can be a mutually benefical experience. For example, it's rare to come across a Brit who ardently believes in predestination these days.
I find that green text strained though user. He didn't just send Peter out to spread the faith. If it was merely meant as 'here are the keys, go open up the faith for these people', it seems likely to Christ would have said that to all of the disciples; not merely singled out Peter
Isaac Gray
Decent discussions? Have I gone accidentally to /po/ again?
Carter Hill
I don't believe that that verse goes against predestination but what I will say is that in the church there is a ranking of who's higher up and who's below e.g woman are not to speak in the church. In the family, the father is the leader. Perhaps that is the reason christ chose him. As a representation of this hierarchy. But I believe that the catholic church takes this to the extreme. Despite there being a hierarchy we are still all equal. also, are you a roman catholic or reformed baptist?
Dylan Lopez
I'm a Catholic, but I'm afraid the debate about Papal supremacy will have to wait for another thread. It's late and I need sleep. Pleasure debating with you, user.
God bless
Dylan Powell
How to talk to someone from church?
Been going by myself to the same church for 5 months but haven't really talked to anyone
Ryder Miller
>How to talk to someone from church? What exactly do you mean? Do you have someone in mind in paticular that you want to talk to, or just in general?
Dylan Roberts
fuck off calvinists. if you believe in Christ Jesus you are saved. how hard is this to understand?
Kayden Williams
Happy Easter everyone.
I haven't come to these generals often but I've been more and more questioning faith and it's role in my life recently, and I'm finding myself drawn to the teachings of Jesus more and more. I don't own any bibles, just a Psalms pocketbook my fiancee gave me. I'd like to own a Bible I can truly dedicate time to.
Right now I'm leaning towards Douay-Rheims + Clementina Vulgata English/Latin version as I studied Latin and wouldn't mind reading some of the original text. I attended some Presbyterian churches with my mother as a child and read the KJV long ago. Otherwise I've heard the ESVSB has some good historical materials.
Would love any recommendations you have to give!
Gavin Bell
Again the devil took him up into a very high mountain, and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, and said to him: All these will I give thee, if falling down thou wilt adore me. Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and him only shalt thou serve.
Brody Taylor
What would you recommend for a total atheist materialist to get started on studying the Catholic faith with? Do you think there's any way to convert a materialist logically?
John Stewart
preferably a priest or someone who would have an interest in bringing me into the church. I want to explain where I'm coming from and see if I have what it takes
>Would love any recommendations you have to give! I'd always suggest NAB, but that's because that's the Catholic one.
May I ask what has drawn you into the faith? You said your fiancé gave you a psalm book so I assume she's religous, did she play a role in your turning to Christ? And what denomination. I'd assume Catholic because this is the Catholic general, but it's always best to ask I find
Aiden Powell
Happy Easter!
Juan Collins
I can appreciate that sentiment I suppose. I'm not really interested in going to heaven more than anything else though. I'd like to know how to live a righteous life.
Isaiah Myers
By going to confessions you put your sins on Jesus
Jason Allen
>I want to explain where I'm coming from and see if I have what it takes Everyone has what it takes user, it's what we were made for after all.
For talking to a priest, I'd suggest either going to confession and talking to them there and then asking them if they'd be able to talk more (they will, they're priests) or calling/emailing your priest and setting up a time to talk to them.
May I ask what has drawn you into the faith
Michael James
Alright I'll look into that, thank you user. My fiancee is a he, and he was raised Southern Baptist but has since fallen out of practice. I asked if he had his Bible still and it turned out he lost it while moving a few years ago, all he had left was the pocketbook.
I'm not sure if Catholicism or Protestantism is right for me, but to be honest my values seem to line up more with Catholicism, socially at least.
Grayson Kelly
Happy Easter, Catholibros.
Isaiah Reed
well Jesus lived the most righteous life you could live, so believing on him will get you there even if you don't care about it. just live as he lived and accept your salvation, dont worry too much about idolators and wicked men telling you false information, read for yourself and live as He did
Brandon Hernandez
>My fiancee is a he, and he was raised Southern Baptist but has since fallen out of practice. I asked if he had his Bible still and it turned out he lost it while moving a few years ago, all he had left was the pocketbook. Ah, I see. >I'm not sure if Catholicism or Protestantism is right for me, but to be honest my values seem to line up more with Catholicism, socially at least. I'd always say Catholisim is the right answer, but I'd be glad to answer any questions/concerns to help you discern God's call to you back to the faith. I'd also suggest going to mass just to listen and talking to a priest. They'll always have time to listen and be more than happy to help you come to God.
Cameron Garcia
Happy easter user
Brayden Roberts
Is it possible for God to withdraw his Grace from someone so that even if they want to be saved it's impossible because he doesn't know them anymore?
Cooper Thompson
No. God happily accepts all men no matter what they've done, so long as they are truly repentent.
Why do you ask? Have you done something bad user?
Luis Cook
Saw this cute catholic girl at mass today
Brayden Garcia
Both of you offer some keen advice. I'm glad I asked here.
I think I'm going to need to read the word a bit and think on it before I have many questions or concerns to ask. Right now I just don't really know enough to start determining where I belong - at least I haven't heard that call just yet. But I will and I'll come back and ask, and I'm sure I'll be shown the right path.
Parker Hall
what about these guys
Ian Jackson
i didn't think to email the priest. I will try that. He's a little bit more conservative than I am but I'm sure it will suffice.
i have practiced asatru for 5 years and have become disillusioned with the religion because it is
1. Not an authentic reproduction of paganism and can never be 2. Doesn't really offer anything in the way of life improvement, community, etc
I am opening up to Christianity because I think Catholicism contains/has absorbed almost everything that was good about pre-Christian religion. further, it's the religion of my ancestors for 1000 years and it is a part of who I am whether I like it or not. So I'm trying to humble myself and open myself to it and so far the Church has really surprised and impressed me.
Jeremiah Richardson
>But I will and I'll come back and ask, and I'm sure I'll be shown the right path. I'll be happy to answer any questions user, and to do the best I can to guide you to Christ. I'll pray that God guide you on this journey to Him, and that He may bless you and keep you for all time.
Joseph Reyes
hey man im not the dude who this convo started with but you can call the church/parish rectory and ask to set up a meeting with a priest. theres not usually a waiting list, just an hour of time during the week that's good for both of you. they'll be more than willing to discuss things with you; he's a priest thats his job.
Carter Wright
I don't know what being truly repentant means. I don't think a person can repent if they continue doing bad things.
I try to have hope, but I know that my prayers are displeasing to God and that everything I do brings his anger upon my head, if he even hears because I believe he said that he never knew the unfaithful, so maybe he doesn't even know me.
Either way, I am sure that Hell awaits me. I accept that, I just don't want him to forget my name. But I think he already has.
Owen Gray
No. Jezus said to Saint Dismas (one of the criminals on the other crosses) 'today I will see you in heaven'.
Jeremiah Cooper
If they were truly repentent then yes, even them. Christ makes clear that God is happy to forgive anyone, because He only desires to be with us. God loves us unconditionally and infinitely, and is always waiting for us to come to Him. We just have to say Yes Lord and do what He asks of us.
>i didn't think to email the priest. I will try that. He's a little bit more conservative than I am but I'm sure it will suffice. You should do it user, I'm certian He'll be happy to talk
Robert Murphy
We are redpilled back then?
Carter White
God loves you user. He is not angry, rather He is immensely sad that you are separated from Him by the gulf of sin. He wants to have a relationship to you, wants you to know Him. He loves you and desires you so much that He sent His Son to earth as a means to bridge that very gulf. All you have to do is accept that fact and God will begin to move in you and bring you closer to Him.
Noah Jackson
>I am opening up to Christianity because I think Catholicism contains/has absorbed almost everything that was good about pre-Christian religion You shouldn't be Catholic for any reason other than because you believe it's the truth (which it is)
Ian Murphy
>getting this mad its all make-believe anyways
Landon Torres
Can we go back?
Logan Thompson
>I don't know what being truly repentant means. I don't think a person can repent if they continue doing bad things. >I try to have hope, but I know that my prayers are displeasing to God and that everything I do brings his anger upon my head, if he even hears because I believe he said that he never knew the unfaithful, so maybe he doesn't even know me. >Either way, I am sure that Hell awaits me. I accept that, I just don't want him to forget my name. But I think he already has. Woah user, slow down there. I think it's best I start by sharing with you something Christ said. It's a big long, and you may have heard it before, but I think it's best you here it now: The Parable of the Lost Son. 11 Then he said, “A man had two sons, 12 and the younger son said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of your estate that should come to me.’ So the father divided the property between them. 13 After a few days, the younger son collected all his belongings and set off to a distant country where he squandered his inheritance on a life of dissipation. 14 When he had freely spent everything, a severe famine struck that country, and he found himself in dire need. 15 So he hired himself out to one of the local citizens who sent him to his farm to tend the swine. 16 And he longed to eat his fill of the pods on which the swine fed, but nobody gave him any. 17 Coming to his senses he thought, ‘How many of my father’s hired workers have more than enough food to eat, but here am I, dying from hunger.
Robert Adams
I live in a middle class home in the United States. So its easy for me to have faith. I'm smart. I work hard. And I've been rewarded for my intelligence.
I have family. I have a great wife. I have beautiful children. I have friends. And they help me when I need help.
I am blessed. Life is good.
I am grateful for what I have. And I cherish it.
May the grace of God keep you. And give you peace.
Gabriel Sanchez
18 I shall get up and go to my father and I shall say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I no longer deserve to be called your son; treat me as you would treat one of your hired workers.”’ 20 So he got up and went back to his father. While he was still a long way off, his father caught sight of him, and was filled with compassion. He ran to his son, embraced him and kissed him. 21 His son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you; I no longer deserve to be called your son.’ 22 But his father ordered his servants, ‘Quickly bring the finest robe and put it on him; put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Take the fattened calf and slaughter it. Then let us celebrate with a feast, 24 because this son of mine was dead, and has come to life again; he was lost, and has been found.’ Then the celebration began. 25 Now the older son had been out in the field and, on his way back, as he neared the house, he heard the sound of music and dancing. 26 He called one of the servants and asked what this might mean. 27 The servant said to him, ‘Your brother has returned and your father has slaughtered the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’ 28 He became angry, and when he refused to enter the house, his father came out and pleaded with him. 29 He said to his father in reply, ‘Look, all these years I served you and not once did I disobey your orders; yet you never gave me even a young goat to feast on with my friends. 30 But when your son returns who swallowed up your property with prostitutes, for him you slaughter the fattened calf.’ 31 He said to him, ‘My son, you are here with me always; everything I have is yours. 32 But now we must celebrate and rejoice, because your brother was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’” As you can see user, God isn't just willing to always forgive you, He's overjoyed to. 2/?
Carson Bennett
Why?
Xavier Hall
Christ wants you to be with Him user, for all time. Now, you do need to try and stop sinning, but the Church community will be happy to do the best they can to help you with.
But God is never so angry with you that He won't accept you back.
Please user, if you don't mind telling, what have you done that makes you think God doesn't want you?
Isaiah Bell
>materialist Bumping my own question because I'm genuinely curious and not here to be standoffish.
Julian Brooks
Traditional Latin Mass gives the closest soul of Catholicism.
Gabriel Edwards
I think it contains much truth. Even the church itself doesn't claim to have all truth or to have a monopoly on god.
Nolan James
To the best of my knowledge, Jesus doesn't count as just a "man" in Christianity. So obviously he doesn't fall under that.
Rather, it's saying you cannot ask God to transfer someone else's responsibility to yourself. For example, if someone were an unrepentant murderer, you cannot ask God to let him off and have you take the penalty of his sin.
Eli Walker
Well, I'd start by asking why you want to become Catholic? And why do you believe as you currently do? And what do you mean by materialist? As in, you do anything for stuff, or your obessed with the riches of this world, or what?
Gavin Bell
jesus was no man
Kevin Adams
Bump for this
Sebastian Cruz
Ezekiel didn't say anything about the son of god.
Juan Clark
As long as you understand what "the gates of hell shall not prevail" means.
Hudson Lopez
Reminder that Catholics do, in fact, believe in Sola Fide.
If one is bedridden, yet has faith in Christ, he will be saved. The "difference" is that Catholics call attention to the fact that those of good faith and able body will do good works by their own initiative.
Josiah Gonzalez
Well, Christ is God as well as man. While those passages say (though some of them are quite a bit of a stretch) that another man can not die for your sins, God can do whatever He wants. Moreover, those verses are talking about 2 very different things for example.
Dueteronmy 24:16 for instance, is talking about someone being put to death as a punishment, and saying that you can only do that to the actual criminal. You can't kill a man because his father was a murderer
Aiden Jenkins
You've got to open yourself up to the possibility that materialism can't tell you everything you need or want to know about life. There is a dimension of life that has nothing to do with science or empiricism.
Nicholas Turner
>i have practiced asatru for 5 years and have become disillusioned with the religion because it is Were you the hippie type or Sup Forums type?
Ryder Kelly
Somewhat? I might be using the term materialist incorrectly, but I more so mean that -- disregarding quantum physics at the moment -- we live in a pretty much strictly newtonian universe and there's no anything beyond Earth to the best of our knowledge, and nothing matters/there's no afterlife or higher power of any sort.
I guess part of my interest comes from sheer existential terror management, but that makes me even less likely to take in any religion with an open heart. I feel like I'm just lying to myself to take the sting away from my own mortality, which subconsciously makes me aware that I'm doing it and unable to take any faith seriously.
Also, just the sheer volume of different religions and the histories some share make me doubtful. I've never been a person of strong faith, so hard "what can be scientifically proven RIGHT NOW is all there is" has been the way I've lived for about half of my life.
David Sullivan
I suppose I'm curious about how does one do that? Is there some sort of method for authenticating the veracity of spiritual claims? But then I suppose spirituality bypasses empiricism completely, but that leaves it incomprehensible to me.
James Walker
Neither really. I leaned toward right wing paganism because I think blood matters and I think traditionalism is important in religion. But I think nazi paganism and wotanism is largely larping. I came to it because I was a philosophy, religion, and history student in college and I was pretty moved by the Eddas, was also reading Heidegger and German romanticism at the time. Also was studying Shinto and other polytheistic/ancestor worshipping faiths
