Raise the minimum wage because people are degenerates

>Be me, work in retail
>Co-workers always bitching about having no money
>Co-workers buy lunch everyday, spend like $20
>Co-workers smoke, drink and buy frivolous shit
>"I'm a poorfag because the man is keeping me down"

These faggots want a $15 minimum wage. No wonder you fucks are poor. You make very poor financial decisions. Didn't anyone teach you how to bring a sandwich and an apple to work? Did your parents teach you how to save money? These faggots deserve to become homeless and end up on the side of freeway asking for gibs.

>boomers
>teaching their children how to save money

Literally my brother

>I'm a lowtest bitch that thinks life is all about making shekels for your jew boss, like a good little goy

-OP, prolific sucker of cocks, 2017

Actually the $15 wagers are the ones that care about being good little guys.

They want other people to do all the hard work and take all the risks, then they just want to bitch that they deserve more because they can follow a flow chart of instructions and show up for however many hours they are scheduled for.

Then they want to cry that they deserve even more and how all rich greedy people are hoarding it for themselves. They on't even understand how an incentivized capitalistic system functions.

Ok sweetie now go back to work so your jew boss can afford his 6th yacht while you live a cucked /nofun/ life

These people came from families where the mom dug in her purse for lunch money as the kid is walking out to door. Grew up in a big fancy house but barely making the payments on time. No savings, leased car(s), vacations twice a year across the country. Their parents taught them to live this way.

Mine on the other hand are hardcore penny pinchers, I'd have guessed I was part jewish, if it wasn't for the part were theyre too stupid/afraid to invest the massive pile of cash they've accumulated

I help run a family owned business and pay more taxes in than most wage crybabies and don't get any benefits like health insurance.
I work longer hours sometimes unpaid because if we fail the business fails.

People crying for higher minimum wage are essentially just attacking more successful people who started out like me. Just because people vote to beat people like me up and take our money doesn't make it moral and just, even if it's legal in the eyes of the law.

If you want more money than minimum wage actually put effort into doing something well instead of crying about how much everyone else owes you.

Look I'm happy that you are a superhuman self-made man living out Atlas Shrugged IRL but if it was up to greedy kikes like yourself then half your country would be starving. How is exploiting people for 5$ an hour moral? Ameriniggers....

I quit drinking several weeks ago for a number of reasons, but mainly I was concerned about money. The thing is, once I quit the party culture almost everything else seems to have just fallen into my lap. Instead of party I go to the gym, instead of hangover food I'll spend my off days actually shopping at the grocery story. With the added cognitive ability I have available to me now I've started refreshing skills I haven't used in years. Recently I made a website for my friends landscaping company. A buddy of his saw it and wants me to make one for his tree trimming company.

I didn't have to try, I didn't have to save, it just happened from trying to be a responsible adult. On top of that I got a small raise and a bump in hours at work for essentially not being hung over all day

fuck, once I typed that out and read it I realized how easy everyone else makes this shit for me. Know what, keep doing your dumb shit so that I look like a better person by comparison.

If you are poor in America and you stay poor all your life, it's your own fault.
Poor people are terrible with money and especially with time management and being responsible.

It's easier for them to just blame others for their problems and vote for higher taxes and more government handouts than accept responsibility and try to improve themselves.

Glad to hear you got yourself turned around, doing a good job and being proud of your work is fulfilling.

How would higher minimum wage for people working in retail affect your business though?

If you're stuck making minimum wage as adult you fucked up somewhere big-time along the way, at that point you might as well treat yourself to a hot lunch and a pack of smokes every three days because you have literally nothing else going for yourself. I bet you're one of those faggots who wants to cut welfare too because occasionally some poor schlub treats himself to a latte at Starbucks too.

Because minimum wage is minimum wage. So we would have to fire people and hire less in the future.
Anything that hurts big businesses hurts small businesses the most.

At some point you have to stop and question is the government supposed to guarantee your success at the expense of someone elses hard work?

Just started my a job today earn over 21 an hour feels gr8 m8

If your business fails because it cannot pay minimum wage employees then unfortunately it was not viable in the first place. People deserve reasonable compensation for their time.

doing so may be easier or difficult depending on how high the minimum wage is

why does this have to be explained

I did not say the business fails if minimum wage increases. I said it hurts businesses. We take a higher risk. If you just go work for a big corporation you take 0 risk your job and benefits are GUARANTIED. If you run your own business you take the risk you reap the reward. Why should I assume the risk, and then take the same or less pay as if I just decided to work for someone else?

How is it fair to punish me for working harder, longer hours, creating jobs for others, and paying more taxes than others? Because people "deserve" higher wages?

What the hell is raising it going to do? What good will come from it? You are incentivising people to NOT create jobs, innovate, and work hard. You are rewarding people to be average by giving them handouts and punishing those that work hard to enrich themselves and others.

It's not greedy if you win the lottery and post tax keep the winnings for yourself, but if you work your ass off and employ others you are greedy as shit if you don't give away all your winnings. I'm sad to see record low work ethic and full generations of people on welfare who have never worked a job in their life. With the mentality someone else is responsible for holding them back. Learned helplessness, the only solution is to have the government fix this broken system because you are helpless to do anything on your own.

People make themselves miserable and blame others for their own misfortune. They want to tell me how I owe them everything and I have all this privilege. Aparently working hard to be self sufficient and not pissing your money away or trying hard at anything and voting for more government intervention that can shut down free enterprise just for a few cheap shitty handouts is a privilege.

>>Co-workers always bitching about having no money

Pretty much the same experience for me. My coworkers have an insanely high luxury to necessity spending ratio and yet always bitch that they don't have money.

If they'd just make their own coffee rather than going to Starcucks every day that would already be an easy 50-100 bucks saved per month.

>People deserve reasonable compensation for their time.

They are. You can hardly expect to finance a middle class life with a job that requires you to do 3-4 simple things at most.
These people expect to finance a car, house and family with a job that is better suited for students who want to get some extra allowance by working during the holidays.

no leafboi you are the faggot.
off yourself now

Most poor people are stupid and no amount of government assistance will improve their lives because they make poor decisions. It's why they're poor in the first place. I hate commies for enabling these literally worthless people so much. It's an unfixable problem they want to continuously throw other people's money at till there no longer is a middle class.

You're a retard OP, some people are bad with money but that doesn't mean everyone who works those shit jobs is. Stop obfuscating and realize the reason more people are becoming poor in America and the middle class is shrinking every day is because the dollar has been inflated literally 99 percent since 1913, and wages for the lower and middle classes have completely stagnated except for inflation since the 1970s. The minimum wage right now should actually be around 23 dollars an hour if wages kept up, and they obviously haven't.

Honestly none of it matters, our garbage system is going to collapse because it must. Massive wealth inequality and foreign wars that only benefit the elite of an empire cause collapse every single time, we're not the exception.

This happens to every powerful country. There is a golden age and a massive decline from power, the golden age in the US was from 1946-64. Have a nice day.

I used to spend money like water too before I started getting sensible about meal planning.

If you have to do what I did and use a meal planning app, eat the same shit every day for a week or so at least and save $$$

If you do this you can even keep nice shit in your diet because you aren't wasting food all the time

Pic related it's breddy good

Pretty much.
I mean the basic idea behind welfare is simple and fully acknowledges this problem:

These people are too retarded to ever make it anywhere in life. Since they'll eventually revolt you only have the options between killing them all or providing them with the basic necessities to keep them quiet.

The problem is that welfare (constantly raising minimum wage is hardly anything but welfare either) is not seen as a gift from society anymore but instead as a human right, so they just want to keep draining the middle class more and more because
>hurr durr I deserve it for existing

The only thing they'll achieve in the long run is that everyone who can afford it fucks off to somewhere else and the standard of living of those who are left behind (including the leeches) drops below what they have now.

You're absolute trash. Good luck starting any small business as you have to compete with larger businesses with a bigger pocket, all the while the government is breathing down your neck about the wages you can barely pay yourself with.

We don't even have a minimum wage here in Sweden because it's fucking disastrous for small businesses.

if you want to look at it like a retard then sure, however the truth is that all of the good manufacturing and factory jobs don't exist in america anymore, there are only service jobs. the economy would instantly break if minimum wage was 23 dollars an hour.

>1800 calories
>pepperoni pizza soup
>no greens

lmao

Sad but true. The only thing that I hate more is that the poor are manipulated by the rich and attack the very life they could have themselves if they stopped blaming others, improved their spending habits, and put in some effort.

Are we doomed to fail? It seems like this is no accident that people support everything that hurts self sufficiency and the middle class. It seems people are so conditioned they will deny facts to justify their beliefs. Out biggest enemy is ignorance and dismissal. Somehow we are the bad guys they fight against, while the real ones are pulling the strings pitting us as the fall guy because we have more than nothing.

How do we fight back against cultural marxism?

>You're absolute trash. Good luck starting any small business as you have to compete with larger businesses with a bigger pocket, all the while the government is breathing down your neck about the wages you can barely pay yourself with.

What the other guy said further up is something most people seem to disregard:
Running your own business has to be more profitable than being employed, or else no one does it.

When I have the choice between running my own business and making ~40k a year for the foreseeable future (not just the first years), or being employed by a larger company and also making 40k a year, the choice is easy because one of them carries a significant risk while the other is risk free.

You don't have a minimum wage in Sweden because your benefits system is so generous that people don't actually have to survive on their wage

That soup has vegetables in it. Combine that with the avocado and fruit and it's a better diet that probably 80% of Americans.

You can make one of those meals for like $3

You can adjust the desired calorie count according to your requirements. I'm on a low calorie diet because I need to lose weight

>80% of the US popualtion

>Are we doomed to fail?

I think you just eventually break and decide that it's not worth it to try and help someone who doesn't want your help when you might as well just take advantage of them and live an easy life. I sure as fuck know I am close to that breaking point.

It always surprises me how the Americucks have accepted their literal poverty tier wages and inferior QOL.

The redmenace really did a good job of convincing a country that complaining is socialist.

>BE ME
>WORK IN RETAIL

HEY OP GUESS WHAT

YOU FUCKED UP

YOU WORK IN RETAIL

YOU'RE JUST AS RETARDED AS THESE FUCKED UP FAGGOTS.

STOP HAVING MORAL SUPERIORITY.

I'M 25 AND MADE $130,000 LAST YEAR WORKING IN TECH YET I STILL FEEL LIKE A NIGGER.

THERE ARE LEVELS TO THIS SHIT. INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT THESE PEOPLE, WHY DON'T YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR DAD WHO TOOK OUT A MORTGAGE.

YOU CAN KEEP COMPLAINING OR YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR LIFE.

HOW ARE YOU WORKING IN RETAIL?

FUCK OFF YOU DUMB, UNGRATEFUL FAGGOT.

nice macros there, you are cutting/losing weighT?

>inferior QOL
It was just yesterday that we had a 400-post thread of Australians complaining that they can't afford to rent a shitbox apartment, much less buy a house.

He needs more protons

Isn't around 90g/day enough? I'm not going crazy at the gym or anything

>If you are poor in America and stay poor all your life, it's your own fault
Very true, barring some sort of traumatic event or genetic condition that leaves you lame, it is ALWAYS possible to not be poor. You're not going to necessarily be upper middle class, but even wage-slaving with proper money management you can live comfortably if you're willing to put in the effort.

90g is easily enough for someone who isn't doing heavy lifting.

A single person can survive easily on minimum wage.

Learn how to cook, live with roommates, ride public transportation.

Shit a 10lb bag of rice is like $8 and it's tens of thousands of calories.

A lot of poors are just straight up retards.

You're not a single person if you're splitting costs with roommates.

Wages haven't kept up.
Inflation, Immigration ruining housing, Prodution never been higher/wages never been lower.

It's alright if you aren't lifting. But why aren't you lifting?

>minimum wage goes up to $15
>"finally I get to be rich!"
>spend twice as much money on frivolous shit, don't develop good financial habits
>still be poor
>FIGHT FOR 20!
Face it, you fuckers will always be poor

>richest country in the world.
>roughly a third of the population has to live like a nigger in africa buying rice in bulk and use public transportation

KEK

Yes people are complaining that they cannot afford to buy a house in the literal financial centers of some of the worlds most expensive cities i.e. syndey/melbourne.

But you forget that those houses are literally in the millions of dollars, and in comparison they earn only 200k.

It's basically the rich complaining they aren't super rich.

>barring some sort of traumatic event or genetic condition that leaves you lame

There's always an exception to the rule. For politics you have to disregard that though, because you are trying to lead a nation of millions. If you investigate every single case on an individual basis you become a bureaucratic nightmare that will kill itself soon.

Most Western nations easily allow you to move at least a couple of steps on the ladder per generation. People are just living only for themselves nowadays so the thought of making it to the middle class and giving your children the chance to maybe move beyond that is not good enough anymore. Everyone wants to jump from the bottom of the barrel to the upper class in 5-10 years. You won't see many people buying a house because, even though they'll have to make sacrifices throughout their life to pay it down, they know that this house will stay in family possession for multiple generations and their children will have a massive advantage due to inheriting it at some point.

>successful people like me

Why hire workers then? I love buisness people who disdain workers. You literally need them.

>wahhhh workers stop disdaining me while i do the same to you
>why won't you work for a cent an hour with no benefits!

The houses they're striving for are only 150k-250k un USbux, if they were to move to an American city (Houston, for example. A metro area with about 6 million people in it)

min wage needs to be $25 in NYC.

dead serious. we can't live, we're all on welfare. FUCKING PAY US OR RIOT.

Why don't you move?

I already make nearly $15/hr. I spend $9 on food daily at work and probably another $10 throughout the day. I sure do wish I made this wage starting and not through 11 heard of small hourly raises.

I had to throw that caveat in there because if I didn't then someone would bitch about the exceptions. That's a good extrapolation on the core problem: people live in the now, which is not new at all, people even have more access to help this than ever before.

Richest country in the world because we don't tax our best and smartest people at 40% to subsidize the lifestyles of poors, unemployed, and Muslim migrants, kraut

cause nyc is where the money is.

but i dont like living in a closet for $1.400 a month, and i dont like paying $5 for a loaf of bread every few days. PAY ME. OR THE 20 MILLION PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM RISING UP AND KILLING ANYONE IN OUR WAY.

just saying. just saying. i need to be able to fucking live. either you start giving me gibs up the ass or peple are gonna start dying on the street. pick one.

10* million.... probaky close to 20M cause illegals anyway.

Cool story chaim. Now get the fuck back to work goy, I don't pay you to post on your shitty Mongolian basket weaving forum.

>cause nyc is where the money is.
It doesn't look like you're getting any of it.

>Switzerland
>Money obsessed
heh

Yeah, I'm fully aware why you added that bit, I just wanted to expand on why you have to disregard it when it comes to national politics.
Because it's way too easy to fall into the lefty trap of talking about exceptional cases which just means eternal stagnation.

>nyc is where the money is.
>living in a closet

I'm in the military and I think the pay is pretty good, but I know people who are living pay check to pay check getting the same wages I get, yet I've managed to save just shy of 30k and people get completely dumbfounded that I chunk a few hundred into investment accounts every month instead of getting a yearly car, or going to the bar four times a week.

but the arguement that minimum wage has not increased at the proportional rate that coat of living has is a valid one, would you argue that minimum wage growth has -not- stagnated the last 40 years?

>Waaaagh pay me more because I'm a dumb fuck hipster who decided to live in the big bright city
From upstate Jew York, suck my dick sincerely. People like you need to die.

YOU AGAIN

WHY DO YOU DO THIS?

Stop working at walmart and posting pictures from that fucking break room again and again and again.

>cause nyc is where the money is.
Evidently not for you though if you "literally cannot survive"

Poor people have poor ways. If you gave everyone 1 million dollars I bet mostly everyone who started out poor would be poor again within a year. Shit like that happens when someone wins 50 million in the lottery, within 3-5 years they are broke as fuck with nothing to show for it. Some people just have no concept of saving money.

To be completely fair the military enjoys many perks allowing you to save a bit better with things like BAH and access to a DFAC.

i'm not. gimmie all of what you have.

die in a fire, i'm still here, you're not. i might be poor buck i fuck bitches on the regular. suck my dick.

Hey could you give me the name to your meal planning app? I've thought about more carefully watching what I eat recently. Is it any good? Are there any other meal planning apps that are any good?

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

I HAVE SOME HEDGIE FRIENDS THAT MAKE THIS FAGGOT'S SALARY IN A DAY'S WORK.

HE'S PATHETIC. HE THINKS HE'S SO FUCKING COOL. HE DESERVES MORE MONEY.

HE CAN'T EVEN RUN A SQL QUERY. HE CAN'T EVEN WRITE A SINGLE PYTHON SCRIPT.

IT'S FUCKING PATHETIC. IF YOU DON'T MAKE AT LEAST $100K IN NYC YOU ARE A DUMB FAGGOT.

END OF FUCKING STORY.

HIS ONLY RESPONSE? HURRR DURR IM GOING TO KILL PEOPLE

Not the guy you are replying to but I work in retail, yeah ti sucks but bitching won't change anything, I gotta get out and find a job such as yours, i'm glad you have the opportunity to get a great job like that and I hope to reach up there soon

If plebs didn't mindlessly consume the economy would shut down for starters.

>poor people stop doing what we want you to do

When I was in the military I worked with a guy who was the same rank and in for the same amount of time, so I know we were payed the same. He would always bitch about not having money while I had no problem putting away $500+ a month in savings.

i'm a contributor. i'm a creator. i'm someone who makes all of the shit you look at and see every day. i'm not a hipster. i dont sit in coffee shops. i'm not a trust fund kid like these loser retards. fuck off.

or you know, -maybe- the man should stop keeping them down? baka

Judging by his other replies to the thread, he might simply be some fag roleplaying as ghetto nigger

workers with no prior experience or education in the 60s-80s could do exactly what you just said on minimum wage jobs, why is it suddenly unfair to expect the same now?

>extravagant lunch.jpg
>literally a picture of salad
kek
>shitty retail job because no marketable skills
cry moar faggot

>sql query

fuck off loser linux nerd. i would beat the shit out of you on the street for being a fucking nerd. hookers won't even fuck you, you sad sack of shit, go away.

>stop working at Walmart
Can't stop working here as no one will be able to support me. I don't know how easy it is to get gibs in the UK compared to the US, but since I'm an able bodied childless cishet male, I ain't getting shit.

You sure are crying like you do, suck my dick you humongous pussy. How about I come down there and beat you to an inch of your life? Then you'll really have something to bitch about you entitled fuck.

The cost of living is vastly different state to state and area to area inside those states.
It's not the federal governments job to intervene in state affairs.

shut up germancuck. go stop hot blonde german girls from getting gang raped by refugees before you talk shit about me, faggot.

I was talking about people IN the military though. It's somehow an amazing feat to save any money as an airmen even though we comparatively get paid pretty well. People have no control, and just increase spending when they get more money.

i will pay for a plane ticket for you to come here. i will periscope/livestream the entire event so everyone can see what a pussy unskilled faggoy you are. by all means, please come and fight me.

yes, this is Damien. come by, faggot. please fucking come by and see me you worthelss sack of shit. you won't though, you're a coward and a pussy and full of nothing but talk. PUSSY BITCH. SUCK MY DICK.

>able bodied childless cishet male
>no one will support me
>male
you might be male but you're not a man
grow a pair and get a real job or quit bitching you fucking loser

>help run a family business

HAHAHAHAHA this faggot is only able to make money because of nepotism and yet looks down on people not born into a rich family. get hit by a truck faggot

Okay Damien Bateman, sent the details. I'll enjoy throwing you off the roof of your fucking building.

GOOD BUDDY. DO IT. FUCK THE FAGGOTS HOLDING YOU DOWN. DISASSOCIATE FROM FAILURE. PEOPLE DON'T WANT YOU TO SUCCEED.

NETWORK. SEND COLD EMAILS TO PEOPLE YOU KNOW WHO ARE SUCCESSFUL. WHO CARES IF THEY DON'T RESPOND? ALL IT TAKES IS 1 PERSON TO RESPOND.

I JUST TOOK A JOB IN LA AND THE SALARY IS $180K PLUS BONUS AND OPTIONS. EVERY YEAR SINCE GRADUATION IN 2012, I'VE UPPED MY SHIT. I MOVED TO SAN FRANCISCO WITH NOTHING TO MY NAME EXCEPT MY SUITCASE AND $8,000 I SAVED UP. I FOUND A JOB IN 2 WEEKS MAKING $50,000. PEASANT MONEY. WITHIN 6 MONTHS I HAD RECRUITERS FROM THE MAJOR TECH COMPANIES ASKING ME TO INTERVIEW ON LINKEDIN. NEXT STOP, $80,000 BEFORE THE YEAR WAS OVER. THEN 2 YEARS LATER, $130,000. NOW 180K.

THE ROAD IS LONG AND HARD. FUCK THESE SELF-DEFEATIST CUNTS. I HATE THEM, I HATE RICH FUCKS, I HATE SMUG FUCKS, I HATE ALL THESE FAGGOTS. I AM ANONYMOUS. BEEN HERE SINCE 05. THE FIRST HABBO RAIDS, THE LIVEJASMIN RAIDS, THE STICKAM RAIDS. I AM AN OLDFAG. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK. I PRETEND I'M A LIBTARD, I PRETEND I LOVE SJWS. I AM HUMBLE, I'VE DONE ACID, I'VE DONE MOLLY AT CRYSTAL CASTLES. I WENT TO COACHELLA. I MET ELON MUSK AT BURNING MAN.

YOU'RE SUCH A FUCKING BAITING LOSER I HOPE YOU'RE JUST TROLLING. I HONESTLY FEEL BAD FOR YOU. THAT YOU'RE UP AT 5 AM, FEELING DEPRESSED. WATCHING SOME SHIT ON YOUR SHITTY FUCKING LAPTOP.

WHAT'S YOUR PURPOSE? HONESTLY BRO, MUHH NERD MUHH BUZZWORD. I LIKE SPORTS. I LIKE MOVIES. I LIKE NORMIE SHIT. I LIKE ANIME. I AM AN (((INFORMED CONSUMER))), I TRADE OPTIONS ON THE SIDE, I FUCK INSTAGRAM MODELS, I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND WHO IS A JEWISH AMERICAN PRINCESS. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOU FAGGOT.

my grandma and grandfather hat both no education (ww2 and shit) whatsoever and just walked into a factory asking the boss if he would hire them to work

both had their own house, car and more then enough money by doing grunt-tier work their whole lives (and no they were not working 60 hours or shit a week)

It's borderline impossible to stay on gibs as a white man. You have to continually jump through hoops and they'll just make something up to take them away from you asap even if you do everything perfectly.

I've known middle aged men unable to get them, despite paying into the system at a high rate for 30 years before losing their job.

Gibs are for stay at home paki brides with 18 chilluns and a criminal husband.

And if they were willing to live in suburbs or any of the other capital cities they wouldn't have this problem.

You should be more like your co-workers. They make the world go around by spending their cash like they do.

>Life and job sucks.
>Some faggot expects me to not enjoy what I can.

On the brighter side I don't complain about low wage, but don't expect more than low effort, you get what you pay for.