Tesla conceived of a system of rail transportation in space, free from air resistance. The Orbital Ring that he conceived of can be built today, with existing technology. In addition to terrestrial transportation, the Orbital Ring would drastically reduce the cost of sending payloads to space, from $2000/kg to $1/kg.
This would enable your childhood dreams to become real. Terraforming and colonies on the Moon and Mars. Middle class families could take vacations on another planet. An end to climate change through space-based solar power. The project would pay for itself many times over by mining asteroids, and selling space-based solar power to the world.
The governmental Jew will never approve the budget to build this unfortunately.
Adam Wood
You're gay
Hunter Russell
I see this fucking thread everyday.
Why hasn't the elite just privatized the space ring for themselves to leave us on Earth to rot.
>inb4 Elysium
Noah Miller
Cool shit goy.
Josiah Barnes
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Connor Johnson
And how badly are the oligarchs outnumbered? 1000 to 1? They will bend the knee, like they did at Yorktown.
>I see this fucking thread everyday.
Start posting it yourself. Get the word out. We're coming.
>Why hasn't the elite just privatized the space ring for themselves to leave us on Earth to rot.
It would wake up the normies to the possibilities they have been robbed of.
Adrian Diaz
>he believes in social status but not economic science and engineering Oh boy where to begin. I really don't know so I'm not gonna spoonfeed you.
Carson Jones
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Adam Gray
Every fucking time someone tries to talk about space elevators, Operation Earnest Voice has to come in here and put gay porn up to try to discredit us.
Xavier Moore
My boat waifu approves
Blake Morales
wut?...
Tyler Morales
Our technology already sucks ass, imagine trying to build this fucking thing, the costs of that alone would discourage people
Blake Thompson
It would also take like 5 hours to go up and down
Dominic Foster
How does making insanely profitable investments make things worse? It increases your capital stock much more quickly, which gives you a surplus for whatever else needs to be done.
Depends how fast they make it. But initially, it might be an hour or two.
Robert Davis
I think this is retarded because we cant even fucking build an elevator in a building
Carter Kelly
>Profitable
Prove to me we have the capacity to get a return on investment from this thing. I don't want estimates, I want a celestial body or some resources.
Isaac James
This is why only science and engineering matter, not the retarded ass humanities and arts fields.
Christian Reed
I'm literally speechless.
Space-based solar power. And asteroid mining.
Give it 10 years, and engineers will be rockstars again, like they were when American was Great.
Charles Diaz
Speechless about what?
Jacob Richardson
>The Orbital Ring that he conceived of can be built today, with existing technology.
If this was economically viable a company would be doing this already. It's not. You have no fucking clue what a ring around the Earth would cost, let alone the engineering problems that make it impossible to do so.
> Tesla conceived of
You're making an appeal to authority, except that authority was as much a fraud and huckster as an actual inventor. People will believe any nonsense when you attach his name to it, yet none of those magical technologies he could invent a hundred years ago are even plausible today. But wait, don't tell me, the government is the only ones who know about and use this tech? Even though the same government can't even head a space program that works.
> Orbital Ring would drastically reduce the cost of sending payloads to space
Is it another space elevator episode? It's not viable, it's a theoretical idea and there are no materials that can stand up to the engineering problem. Carbon nanotubes don't work like that.
>This would enable your childhood dreams to become real. Terraforming and colonies on the Moon and Mars. Middle class families could take vacations on another planet.
Even granting your idiotic project, none of this follows.
This is so god damn retarded and evangelical. It's like you people think science is magic and a path to salvation but you can't be arsed to figure out anything beyond popsci magazine headlines level of understanding.
David Moore
the government already has much more advanced technology than we know. Im not just talking about cancer cures... they can grow infinite food underground and fix any type of health problem. the reason we dont have these things is because supplying infinite power and food to the masses would allow them to revolt and give them time to do so. having limited resources gives them something to do. Its very similar to BNW. Jobs and sex are merely distractions for the 99%
Kayden Foster
Orbital Ring or Space elevators will never be build.
Besides, why build an orbital ring if you can build a tunnel, Circumference is way smaller, Air resistance can be solved by creating a vacuum.
Space elevators are also impossible, the weight of a 1 AWG (American Wire Gauge) copper cable is 250 lbs per 1000 ft. Distance to ISS is 250 Miles or 400 Km. So the total weight of that magical super conductive Cable would be 330 000 pounds.
Do i have to explain now what that wouldn't work or can you SIFI morons figure it out?
Brandon Myers
As a person with an engineering degree, this won't happen anytime this century. The cost is too large and we don't have half the materials required to make this a thing.
Not to mention the colossal radiation shielding and vacuum protections we'd need. There's a reason NASA does dozens of checks for everything.
Austin Jenkins
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Brandon Gonzalez
You think elevators don't exist.
>If this was economically viable a company would be doing this already.
Tell me a company that has a ~$400 billion credit line, rockets, and an air force, and we'll talk. Otherwise, you're making things up because confirmation bias.
>You have no fucking clue what a ring around the Earth would cost
Might help you to read the OP
>You're making an appeal to authority, except that authority was as much a fraud and huckster
>there are no materials that can stand up to the engineering problem.
This is why you read the OP, instead of talking about engineering problems that don't exist because you think it's an elevator to geosynchronous. Stop embarassing yourself, and read the TOP.
>This is so god damn retarded and evangelical.
Jesus wills it.
Brandon Harris
>Money is all that matters you silly plebs
Off yourself
Carson Hall
>Orbital Ring or Space elevators will never be build.
Not with that kind of attitude.
>Besides, why build an orbital ring if you can build a tunnel, Circumference is way smaller, Air resistance can be solved by creating a vacuum.
It also functions as a space elevator and launch vehicle from low earth orbit to higher orbits.
>Space elevators are also impossible, the weight of a 1 AWG (American Wire Gauge) copper cable is 250 lbs per 1000 ft. Distance to ISS is 250 Miles or 400 Km. So the total weight of that magical super conductive Cable would be 330 000 pounds.
Are you talking about the tether? Of course that wouldn't be copper. Did you read the OP?
>As a person with an engineering degree, this won't happen anytime this century.
Well, then certainly you can articulate some problem with it, instead of speaking in vague bullshitisms that make you look like an ignorant paid shill. Right?
>The cost is too large and we don't have half the materials required to make this a thing.
READ THE FUCKING OP! YOU ARE STUPID AND GAY!
Luke Moore
Btw, how about terraforming earth? All the deserts could be green jungles or cities. The Antarctic is perfect for skyscrapers and full of minerals, precious metals, gas and oil, Greenland could be green again. Just remember that earth had a sea level of 400meters+ and temperatures and humidity beyond anything we know during the Jura.
Zachary Ross
Buckypaper isn't real. And whenever I read "Basic income" I'm thinking about hellholes like northkorea or Soviet Russia.
Samuel King
>Btw, how about terraforming earth?
The Space Elevator Party fully supports efforts like NAWAPA.
BS, you can't make it out of any material we have. Its not that we don't have enough materials, we surely have "enough" material. But we don't have the right kind. We need something super strong that practically weights nothing. Remember the moon is made out of Frozen Water so thats off the table. There is no way.
Also could you please explain me how the fuck that Orbital Ring is gonna pay my fucking basic income??
Easton Morgan
High Level Insider?
Tyler Taylor
>The only effect of a retarded post like this will be to make people dismiss the notion of 20% economic growth.
Tell me, how does drastically reducing input costs while removing taxation entirely not lead to massive economic growth?
>20% economic growth is possible, just not while the central banks sapping the economy and messing with interest rates.
Best case long-term scenario with your monetarist-fag assumptions is like 7%. Read Austrians, even their best-case scenarios fall far short of the American School.
>Big ideas like this will never ever come to exist while we still have an inflationary economy and while short-term spending is so incentivized.
You're a monetarist and you don't know that increased economic growth is deflationary? If you want to reverse inflation sharply, 20% economic growth is basically the best way you can possibly imagine.
Cameron Perry
>The Orbital Ring that he conceived of can be built today, with existing technology. Only for 20 billion trillion shekels
Seroiusly....sustaining a construction like this is impossible...on both resource and physical constraints. Absolutely retarded...
Wyatt Smith
>BS, you can't make it out of any material we have
"Steel and kevlar don't exist! Peer-reviewed science is fake because a guy on Sup Forums said so!"
>Also could you please explain me how the fuck that Orbital Ring is gonna pay my fucking basic income??
Space-based solar power and asteroid mining, to start with.
Yes, but not the same one. Question Session is open.
Hudson Collins
Don't go to space Goy! Explore the Oceans instead
Michael Campbell
So here's a question. You like talking about this and I have trouble finding this information quickly.
How would it be oriented? Straight across the equator? It seems like a bit of a waste, there.
Like, could you just center it on one point and orient it however you want as long as it was a flat, globe-traversing circle, even if it just hit like Seattle, somewhere in Russia or Chine, and Antarctica or some shit?
Does the rotation and tilt of the Earth prevent something like that? If so, can there be space elevators to smaller stations that, if not directly connected to the ring, could easily shuttle materiel and people back and forth to locations? Put one in each capital, basically. Something like that.
If you can't, I can only see so much "transportational" use of it, for oil or whatever else.
Robert Powell
>Well, then certainly you can articulate some problem with it, instead of speaking in vague bullshitisms that make you look like an ignorant paid shill. Right?
List of things we can't do: Mass transportation of materials into space as we still use chemical propellant Make a material which may survive extend periods in vacuum to anchor the system. Provide enough power over long distances to power the system as you'd need superconducting magnets to make this work. Good luck cooling those over a giant as tube around the planet, especially with minimal maintenance. No radiation shielding
These are just the readily apparent problems. You know how much money it'd cost to build this. Sure will be easier when we have better space travel systems, but you'd need to master mass drivers for use in exo-atmospheric launches, something we haven't even begun to test. This is not to mention the decades it'd take to get everything done.
Maybe next century, but it's just a dream in this one.
Camden Murphy
Orbital ring a shit.
O'Neill Cylinder my shit up and Rendezvous with Rama brehs.
Cooper Lewis
~$400 billion. You can read the journal article and get updated numbers based on our cheaper launch costs today.
>Seroiusly....sustaining a construction like this is impossible
Is it big, or impossible? They're different things.
Equator is optimal, but you can actually have virtually any orientation:
> Like, could you just center it on one point and orient it however you want as long as it was a flat, globe-traversing circle, even if it just hit like Seattle, somewhere in Russia or Chine, and Antarctica or some shit?
If I understand correctly, yes, it can have any alignment around the planet.
>Does the rotation and tilt of the Earth prevent something like that?
No.
> If so, can there be space elevators to smaller stations that, if not directly connected to the ring, could easily shuttle materiel and people back and forth to locations?
We would have lots of different tethers.
Matthew Robinson
>Mass transportation of materials into space as we still use chemical propellant
All the more reason to do the project. We can build the orbital ring with rockets, although building a launch loop or skyhook or something similar first might make it more economical and faster.
>Make a material which may survive extend periods in vacuum to anchor the system.
Then how do satellites and space stations exist?
>Provide enough power over long distances to power the system as you'd need superconducting magnets to make this work. Good luck cooling those over a giant as tube around the planet, especially with minimal maintenance.
Attach solar arrays to the ring.
>No radiation shielding
In places where it is needed it can be provided. We've gone to the moon several times.
> but you'd need to master mass drivers
Why do you insist on making up absolute barriers that simply do not exist in reality? I find that when people do this, they're not thinking for themselves, they're merely reflecting memes they've heard from others.
Do what?
Isaac Ramirez
>Tell me, how does drastically reducing input costs while removing taxation entirely not lead to massive economic growth? I agree with you on these points, but I think basic income is indefensible and retarded. Any (pre-singularity) utopian scheme with basic income should be dismissed out of hand. >monetarist-fag I'm not a monetarist. I'm an Austrain. >you don't know that increased economic growth is deflationary? That's my entire point. >If you want to reverse inflation sharply, 20% economic growth is basically the best way you can possibly imagine. This is the best example I've ever seen of putting the cart before the horse.
Dylan Phillips
>Any (pre-singularity) utopian scheme with basic income should be dismissed out of hand.
THAT's what you want to focus on? A society with outright cradle-to-grave socialism with a space elevator is vastly preferable to a Misesian "Night Watchman" government with only 7% economic growth (being optimistic)
>I'm not a monetarist. I'm an Austrian
Cool, my school of economics can grow the capital stock 3 times faster than yours, even on your very best day with Ron Paul as dictator for life. Stop being an idealogue, think about the idea being proposed.
>That's my entire point.
You just said we need to stop inflation before we grow the economy...
>This is the best example I've ever seen of putting the cart before the horse
The whole point of economics is to grow the economy, not do some thing that should lead to economic growth. You're confusing an incremental goal with the final goal.
Lincoln Turner
>Space-based solar power. And asteroid mining. These will be trillion dollar enterprises.
>be utility-scale provider of electricity anywhere in the solar system or >be selling rocket fuel, air and minerals to others
Andrew Nguyen
>These will be trillion dollar enterprises.
You can verify for yourself that isn't true by reading the OP, instead of making up numbers. The biggest factor is launch costs.
Aaron Howard
Okay I think I see where you're coming from and we'll just have to disagree. Let me sum up my perspective:
1. We have inflation caused by the Fed. 2. Inflation makes the economy more consumption oriented. 3. Being consumption oriented means less investment and saving. 4. Less investment and saving means fewer resources going towards R&D and world-changing technologies. 5. This slows down actual growth.
Additionally, basic income would hurt the economy WAY worse than the Fed currently is.
I believe you underestimate how badly gimped our economy is, maybe by a factor of 25. You can have low unemployment and still not be creating real, low time-preference value. If you ungimped our economy, the orbital ring and so much more would happen on its own in 15 years, depending on how quickly people's time-preferences adjusted.
Cheers.
Jeremiah James
there is no economic incentive to go to space
Gabriel Garcia
>We have inflation caused by the Fed.
Granted.
> Inflation makes the economy more consumption oriented.
Not sure about that one, except in the sense of harming the purchasing power of the dollar which might force wage earners to spend more of their income on necessary goods.
> Less investment and saving means fewer resources going towards R&D and world-changing technologies.
The specific investments matter a lot more than the source of capital. Or the fact that the cost of capital might go down 1% for private businesses if a lot more savings were available.
The big question is, what kind of returns is your economy getting? If the government can get higher returns, they should make the investments.
>I believe you underestimate how badly gimped our economy is, maybe by a factor of 25
No, and I don't disagree with your analysis, only your prescription. If you guys get your Misesian Utopia off the ground, I'll come over. But a Friedrich Listian utopia would be much better.
>If you ungimped our economy, the orbital ring and so much more would happen on its own in 15 years, depending on how quickly people's time-preferences adjusted.
So your proposal holds back a project with an internal rate of return well over 100%. That's heinously suboptimal allocation of capital based solely on an ideological objection not based in economic facts.
Mine's bigger (capital stock).
Solar power for 1/10 the cost of coal, and trillions from asteroid mining.
Connor Watson
I like the idea and have no problem with it, but there are things that need to be done before we attempt this. We must solve the nigger/Muslim/women problem first. This is a very expensive and very fragile product we are producing so we must be sure it can't be cocked up. >remove niggers from gov aid in order to help pay cost and to secure the elections for politicians who will be favorable for development contractors/companies and green-light the development. >remove islam from existence because the last thing we need is a crazy and unpredictable ideology and rabbid goat fuckers anywhere near the development this thing. >remove women from decision making positions because of very obvious reasons.
I wouldn't want this project started unless we are certain it can be finished without incident. This is a potential economic disaster if it is fucked up before its finished. Humanity may not get another shot at it.
Owen Myers
>Basic income
Thomas Foster
YES, DAHNALD
THE FABLED GALACTIGATES ARE AT HAND!
Isaac Brown
>colonize Mars >when we can't even colonize Africa correctly Time to grow up and stop pretending that space is anything but a brainsink and playground for elites while they try to sell it to us as "the future."
Owen Long
fucking idiot thinks there's a "space". fucking retards and their love affair with retard in chief elon musk. guy cant even turn a profit or launch a rocket 10 feet off the ground.
Brandon Morales
I don't want basic income if it affects children, you absolutely CAN NOT have a lasting society where non productive people have their children paid for.
If basic income kicked in once people were either 16 18 or 21 id be fine with it.
Logan Myers
Public infrastructure is sand in the gears. Public roads have caused cities to be laid out inefficiently for example. They make mass transit rare and expensive. They make everyone dependent on owning a car because your business can be far away and yet profitable. >mises.org/library/privatization-roads-and-highways A private, joint-stock company would do a better and cheaper job at the orbital ring. You can't motivate a Government to economize well. Google White-Baltic Canal for a spectacular example of this.
