Communism is a good idea on paper

>communism is a good idea on paper

In small groups and on paper communism doesn't sound like an outrageous idea.

But people have preferences and they make different choices. They enjoy being individuals. These ideas are not compatible with communism and communism's only approach to eliminate this is mass murder

that is not why kulaks were killed

Anything can sound like a good idea on paper, its retards who dont realize things are completely different in practice that argue for it. From paper to practice are like night and day differences, its pretty shitty in practice, hence why it always fails

>Communism does not look good on paper*

If you understand economics and mathematics.

I was being facetious, but it is amusing watching people argue that communism doesn't stifle the individual. (I'm not saying you did)

I unironically think that communism seems like an ok idea on paper. The major flaw in communism is having humans involved.

Technosocialism is inevitable.

I say this as someone who hates commies with a passion.

it's pretty good if you're an artist or researcher

I got into a drunken debate with someone over this once. It's definitely not. We as biological creatures are hardwired to be competitive. In any system where competitive behaviour is disincentivised or outright punished is not a good system, even on paper.

You mean if you don't produce things people actually want.

you mean need

Yeah, how do you incentivise people to work harder if you don't dangle the carrot stick of money in front of their faces?

Also, perpetual competition creates a never ending race to the bottom. It's a great way to shovel shit down the mouths of the masses.

most of the money and effort would go towards automation by machines so people can relax

How can something be a good idea on paper if it is impossible to implement in practice because it defies nature?

That's like saying Da Vinci's flying machine as a good idea on paper. No, it wasn't. It just looked cool. It still defies physics, just as communism defies human nature.

I also think it's great how capitalism ensures that the rich 1% get richer and the poor 99% get poorer. Squeezed until they pop! LOL

What ideas specifically? No one ever states details when they make this claim

It totally makes sense that the people who actually do the work get fuck all and the cunts who just own the plant and sitting around doing NOTHING get to keep all the profits! Such a fair system! There's nothing wrong with this at all!

You can't even get to that point without people working in a state of competition to get there.

there is such a thing as market socialism, user

"most of the money" would just hidden away in tax havens so fucking Tarquin can get a Ferrari whilst hard working people see their rents go up and pay checks go down. What a great system!

Common misconception.

I mean, in finalized communism there will be no money.

funny how the poor live progressively better lives as the rich start to get richer because wealth is more than just currency

what is?

>all these union jacks
We are really colonising Sup Forums, aren't we, lads?

That there is such a thing as "market socialism."

maybe if you have an iq below 3

The Eternal Anglo strikes again.

something that resembles that is currently happening in Rojava, so I don't get your point

Let's be honest, a thread inviting actual discussion of political theory isn't going to attract Americans. They're too stupid for proper discussions, all they do is shit up this board by spouting memes.

Anything resembling Market socialism is meant to lead to communism. Anyone left of Ron Paul might as well be a communist, DESU.

rojava might as well be communist at this point. When they are fully self sufficient, and there is no war going on, then mabe

> Everyone shares equally and leader humans will be enforcers of this system
> Humans are potentially opportunist, cruel greedy bastards
> Only stable/domesticated when comfy, fat with better living standard then someone else down the status hierarchy
> cont. History

Either ((they)) chew you up and take all the juices from you, or give you an illusion that you are a part of something but still chew you up.

For the greater good, goym!

such is life for most of us. Rich country? Yeah. Are the people rich? No.

Here's what I suspect about purported communists: the day they create a new item, such as a computer for example, that is potentially worth billions, they would immediately cease being a communist and would argue they are entitled to their profits and wealth because it was their idea.

Communism only works in communes, communities of less than 100 people, well homogenized, usually a family group.

Communism only works with families.

>implying communists are capable of creating anything worth buying.

it should be democratic. ie leave if you don't like it

>people are rewarded simply for their existence and not for the effort they put into anything
>all people are of equal capability and ambition
No

>I also think it's great that communism ensures that the card holding party members get richer while the proletariat starve to death.

Communism works with nothing it's an ideal that makes no sense. Capitalism is based on an ideal that does exist, called math. However, the idea of an ideal where everybody gets equal happiness and stuff, who decides that? How is it measured and decided? Who makes these decisions? Some greedy asshole everytime.

Technocracies (a form of communism) are the best form of government hands down. Everyone works less hours for the circumvent of free housing, medical and construction done by machines. The only people who would deny this are Jews who don't want actual technology getting through their money grubbing kike hands. Also medicine being used to cure diseases instead of alleviating symptoms. It's all bullshit.

>implying mathematics do not objectively exist
>implying capitalism is based on mathematics and not biology.

I don't know man, there's emojis for everything.

Maybe a currency based on emojis.

That's the best I got, lol!

So was the holocaust. Logically, cleaning our gene pool of crippled and autistic people helps to stop them from spreading.

It absolutely does sound like a good idea. On paper you have a society with no greed, no exploitation, no need for people to even work to live.

In practice you have a society governed by the type of people that enjoy pop music.

>communism
>party
>government at all

>how do you incentivise people to work harder if you don't dangle the carrot stick
Work on a farm, struggle to meet the government quota, the government reposseses all you hard earned vegetation and redistribute it thinly enough so that thousands of nonworkers + yourself are able to just barely not starve. Sounds fun. It's more of a problem with deincentivizing hard work. Why break your back if you will still get the same as everyone else? Energy and resources. If you can't eat, you can't work. If you can't work, you get shot.

>perpetual competition creates a never ending race to the bottom
Right, because competition hasn't produced an endless bounty of resources at your fingertips at good prices-- and they never continue to fall in an effort to provide the best resources at the lowest value to attract more customers. This includes fast food, technology, medicine to an extent, automobiles, literally everything you currently take advantage of.

But hey, I wouldn't expect much from a somali migrant. When are you planning your road-rage knife attack, you filthy communist nigger faggot?

It is. It would be an effective system for a society of robots. Communism failed to take into account human nature however

Oops. I confused communism with socialism.

Somebody lynch me.

It is.
Lots of concepts look great on paper until they are confronted to reality.
I've always said it when I was in highschool
>communism looks good on paper. Too bad it's only on paper.

There's more job security in a barter economy than one that uses a fiat currency.

>implying there is a difference

>bartering when the government owns everything you produce
Lmao nice meme

... and they'll still legally have to knock first.

Realestate is evil as fuck.

On the paper in my bird's cage.