American Stumabteilung

Let's take a look at history. The Nazi "Storm Detachment" or "Sturmabteilung" arose out of a need to protect Nazi party meetings from violent Communists.

In the early days of the Nazi party and Hitler's rise, they were heckled as old-fashion, racists, traditionalists, etc. Largely by the KPD or Rotfront, the communists of 1920s/30s Germany. Even in the early 30s, Hitler was talked about as a buffoon and a political novice who could be manipulated by the more traditional conservatives (even after the Nazi party had grown to be the largest party in Germany). Communist attacks on Nazis grew in intensity, and streetfighting soon commenced (going from barroom brawls to fighting with clubs to finally shooting at each other). Many Nazis were assassinated by Communists and Horst Wessel Lied, the Nazi anthem, was a song written by one of the men turned into a martyr by Goebbels' propaganda.

Watching what happened at the Battle of Berkeley and the way the police completely refused to intervene, I am beginning to think that conservatives/alt-right need better organization and an outfit like the Sturmabteilung to protect people and make sure Communists can no longer attack old people or try to kick people to death on the floor.... or throw fucking explosives.

I'm gonna quote some stuff from (((wikipedia))), and tell me if it doesn't sound familiar.

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The DAP (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or German Workers' Party) was formed in Munich in January 1919 and Adolf Hitler joined it in September of that year. His talents for speaking, publicity and propaganda were quickly recognized,[3] and by early 1920 he had gained authority in the party, which changed its name to the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or National Socialist German Workers' Party) in February 1920.[4]

The precursor to the SA had acted informally and on an ad hoc basis for some time before this. Hitler, with an eye always to helping the party to grow through propaganda, convinced the leadership committee to invest in an advertisement in the Münchener Beobachter (later renamed the Völkischer Beobachter) for a mass meeting in the Hofbräuhaus, to be held on 16 October 1919. Some 70 people attended, and a second such meeting was advertised for 13 November in the Eberlbrau beer hall. Some 130 people attended; there were hecklers, but Hitler's military friends promptly ejected them by force, and the agitators "flew down the stairs with gashed heads." The next year, on 24 February, he announced the party's Twenty-Five Point program at a mass meeting of some 2000 people at the Hofbräuhaus. Protesters tried to shout Hitler down, but his former army companions, armed with rubber truncheons, ejected the dissenters. The basis for the SA had been formed.

A permanent group of party members who would serve as the ruffian Saalschutzabteilung (meeting hall protection detachment) for the DAP gathered around Emil Maurice after the February 1920 incident at the Hofbräuhaus. There was little organization or structure to this group. The group was also called the Ordnertruppen around this time.[6] More than a year later, on 3 August 1921, Hitler redefined the group as the "Gymnastic and Sports Division" of the party (Turn- und Sportabteilung), perhaps to avoid trouble with the government.[7] It was by now well recognized as an appropriate, even necessary, function or organ of the party. The future SA developed by organizing and formalizing the groups of ex-soldiers and beer hall brawlers who were to protect gatherings of the Nazi Party from disruptions from Social Democrats (SPD) and Communists (KPD) and to disrupt meetings of the other political parties. By September 1921 the name Sturmabteilung was being used informally for the group.[8] Hitler was the official head of the Nazi Party by this time.[9]

On 4 November 1921 the Nazi Party held a large public meeting in the Munich Hofbräuhaus, which also attracted many Reds and other enemies of the Nazis. After Hitler had spoken for some time, the meeting erupted into a melee in which a small company of SA thrashed the opposition. The Nazis called this event the Saalschlacht ("meeting hall battle"), and it assumed legendary proportions in SA lore with the passage of time. Thereafter, the group was officially known as the Sturmabteilung.[8]

Remind you of something? Battle of Berkeley maybe?

In order to organize against commie street jews they had to create an organization. We have the internet. We can experience the battle of berkeley without actually being there.

I would argue (for now) the best thing natsocs can do is promote 'free speech' rallies so antifa is forced to attack normie blue pilled people. Nobody cares when Richard Spencer was smoked in the face, but when old veterans are being harassed and freeze peach advocates are being bottled/bike locked it wakes up the normies.

I'd argue the whole narrative of 'organized/paid antifa' vs. 'constitutional republicans' should be kept going as long as possible.

I don't think there were enough jews in Germany to make up the Rotfront's ranks. You just need leftist, idiot children.

There's a reason why so many "working class" dudes made up the SA (while the SS was middle class). The SA were where the real fighting 'socialists' went. Though, the Gestapo estimated that 70% of the SA, at the end, were former Communists.

And what I'm talking about should be AT the free speech rallies. I'm tired of letting Antifa attack old men and women WITH FUCKING EXPLOSIVES. People aren't even allowed to peacefully assemble. I'm not all about NatSoc (it's too leftist for me, desu), but I think we need an organized group of men to start defending red-blooded americans from these fucking terrorists.

This infographic forgets that he also had a football helmet chinstrap to keep the helmet on.

Upwards of 90% of the leadership was Jewish.

Horst Wessel was a martyr and his death led to mass public support.

There half a million in the SA before it was disbanded. 95% of the German people were working class. I doubt the 70% claim and i've never heard it before. I'd review other sources as well.

Yeah so this comment was wrong. I always thought it was disbanded in 1934-5 but apparently it was just decapitated (70%+ transferred out) and ~100k were still in the SA when the war ended.

this is an awesome thread good work, BUMP

people trying to insert race into this are missing the point which is freedom of speech should be defended at all costs

to use this parlance the freedom of speech rallies are implicitly white, and moreover, the antifa are explicitly anti-white

I'm with you on this. I would much rather take a black man who acts like a Citizen as opposed to some fucking white idiot leftist. It just tends to be a maxim that most blacks are violent takers looking for an excuse for their underperformance (da white manz).

Men like Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, and Sheriff David Clarke should be welcomed because of the way they comport themselves. Their skin color has nothing to do with it.

"Moldylocks" is fucking white and she's literal gutter trash. As are most of these antifa goons.

Check this out:

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I still think these patriots need to be protected. If we don't do anything, Antifa will continue abusing them. And while that's good for optics... they'll be doing it even after we give them protection, because their whole shtick is isolating and then trying to kick people to death. They'll still try that. So long as a new SA doesn't couch itself in Nazi iconography but American symbolism, I think it would work.

Shields with the American eagle, stars and stripes. Wearing red white and blue. Using a name like the Minutemen or the Patriots.

Horst Wessel was also a member of the SA and the SA had already been protecting the NSDAP. Horst Wessel was killed after the fighting between Rotfront and SA had begun in earnest.

The based black men are the high IQ ones.

Be fucking real at least. The 30s depression and republican fall created a power vacuum, which was exploited by two parties of genocidal assholes whom slaughtered eachother for power.

"Who struck first." Is the most retarded question you coukd EVER ask in politics; you are just confirming bias.

Actually we've been working on this at the Dailystormer. We're gonna be the Blueshirts. Expect a general thread about it tomorrow.

>Dailystormer
Please fuck off. We don't need your fed-bait violent shitheads fucking up the movement

This.
Throwing Roman salutes at rallies is very counter productive as well. Even if you are NatSoc be aware that the normies are not and they will hate us for it.

No, this is actually well thought out. The shitheads didn't like the idea because it wasn't the SS part 2. We're mostly working on it in a discord right now. It isn't the normal shit that comes from that site. Most of the guys who do IRL stuff from there are actually good guys.

Yeah, we've discussed NatSoc symbolism and the JQ aren't good things to go hard on.

The only reason the Nazis gained popularity is because they were fighting the commies...

Holy shit this is retarded. Naziboos are literally retarded. "Blueshirts."

I use Nazi history as an example to learn from, not because I fucking fetishize it. If you're going to do something like this, you base it in American history and you name it something relevant. "The Militia" is even simple enough.

You guys are alright.

Okay, maybe I shouldn't be so mean to you. But seriously "blueshirts?"

No. Hell, I'd say if you really need identifying clothing, go with red helmets and buy a bunch of $25 nike baseball helmets off Amazon (like Based Stickman). But don't call yourself "Red Helmets" for... obvious reasons.

You mean SA, right? SS was swag, SA were useful idiots

We can't throw normalfags into the pool with this. Introducing them to concepts such as globalism, racial differences (do not advocate supremacy and IQ differences), mass media being controlled by a select few, and problems with immigration will help us greatly.

As they explore these concepts they'll eventually wind up here and they'll learn everything else that they couldn't swallow in the beginning.

The idea is already rolling. There's going to be no stahlhelms, sonnerads, swastikas, sam browne belts, or jackboots. It is going to be a uniform that anyone can buy at walmart.

look at this retard.

No. The SA was the one that did all of the fighting in the rise of the Nazi party. Far more important the SS. The SS began their history as a life guard for Hitler (and then later other major party members).

The SA was only eventually replaced because of two reasons:

1. The SA were more radical than Hitler. They wanted full revolution and more socialist policies which Hitler was not willing to do, especially because it would piss off the generals and industrialists who had become his allies.

2. Ernst Rohm was becoming politically unpalateable. Despite being one of Hitler's closest friends, Rohm was openly homosexual and not afraid to talk about his ambitions for the SA. He wanted to absorb the german army into the SA and said so -- pissing off the generals even more.

No, I mean SS because some faggots there are retarded
We're leaning towards a much softer approach on these subjects. It's not gonna be stormfaggotry.

Don't do blue shirts unless they're blue dress shirts and you're all wearing slacks or something. Blue t-shirts will looks like shit. Looks sharp and professional. Don't bring weapons, only at most shields.

Wow, nice reading comprehension you stupid faggot

well obviously. the SA wore a sharp uniform (with gay little hats).

People should get Based Stickman and other Berkeley warriors involved.

That's literally what the current uniform is..I'll post some pics of what we're thinking if you want. We're leaning towards flagpoles or walking sticks.

The overwhelmingly majority of fighting was done between communists and police/regular people. Until 1933 both the SS and SA were protection units that largely functioned as such. Most of the NSDAP was in the south/east and most of the commies were in the west.

The SA literally wore surplus WWI colonial army uniforms.

>well obviously. the SA wore a sharp uniform (with gay little hats).
The SA uniforms were gay as fuck nigga. I'm just talking, at most, business casual.
Post pics. Hopefully people actually wear clothes that fit. Also no walking sticks, those would look retarded.

SA uniforms were literally surplus colonial uniforms from WWI.

I recommend everyone here read che and mao's books they want to learn how leftists fight

If they*

It's an info war. One of the few honest things Alex Jones has said over the years.

This is what we're thinking right now.

HAHAHAHAHAAH

I'd recommend reading Alinksy if you're an American because that's what your enemies read. I doubt many read mao or any 20th century commie leader except perhaps Trotsky.

That's a flag pole.

Night of long knives when? I will gladly volunteer to butcher subhuman communists.

If people are going to take the uniform route they best follow nordfront.

That was one of our thoughts, but that's also why we didn't do white.

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Then do that blue. Don't wear fucking cargo pants/bdu pants and boots.

This. It's the difference between looking like autists and loing sharp. Nordfront looks sharp as fuck.

Not that bad. Needs steel-toed boots, though. Shield should be bigger. No cargo pants, though. Dress pants.

Also a problem with flag poles is the flag overbalances the whole thing. Possibly useful as spears.

However, if you want clubs, what you do is you create a sign where the "sign" screws into the "pole." And the sign has handles on the back. Then, once the brawl is starting, unscrew the sign from the top of the pole: club and shield combo.

Night of the Long Knives is what killed the SA. lol. Was Hitler's sad compromise when he realized Ernst Rohm was becoming politically unviable. (Saddest, too, because Rohm was the only member of the Nazi party who referred to Hitler in familiar terms. "du" for you. Called him "Adolf" and "Adi.")

That's literally what Nordfront has.

So just drop the cargo pants? I think we'll just look like office workers then. The idea is to roll up the flag, like Golden Dawn.

Yeah the shield is a bit small, but you can make it from shit at home depot for under 20 bucks.

Looking like office workers is better than looking autistic. The most important thing of all of it is to make sure that you have people that are in shape and that their clothes fit.

I still have a couple more pics if anyone wants to see them.

Obviously! Post them faggot

The cargo pants are pretty important because you can hold shit like pepper spray, zip ties, medical supplies, and water. Do you think untucked boots are the way to go?

Lol. I understand the risk. I guess you don't NEED to drop the cargo pants, but I wouldn't mandate them. Start with black pants of any kind until you're big enough to get funding for a uniform. But the SA and SS wore snappy clothing -- but military clothing was also snappy back then. Cargo pants are now kinda... loserish. But maybe black ones won't look so bad.

And make sure to FUCKING REEL IN any naziboos. This is about America. We don't need roman salutes and teutonic symbols.

Has anybody thought about the possibility of total passivity and non violent tactics?

It seems to me that instead of generating violent clash in the street which can always be spinned so as to hide who initiated the violence, it would not be a bad idea to simply sit down in order to listen to some speech, and let the leftist do whatever it is that they are gonna do, while setting up cameras so as to catch them committing assault against the peaceful crowd.

By sitting down, there is a strong visual representation of the fact that the crowd was non threatening, at which point any attack against it generates extremely bad optic for the attackers.

Once a reliable narrative of unprovoked attacks has been established, defensive groups can be organized.

Do you suppose ant of those faggots with che shirts ever read guerilla warfare?

(Doubtful, to be honest, but made me think of it)

I've never read (((Alinsky))), but don't Sup Forums consider themselves radicals? Would the means Alinsky describes be similar even if the ends are different?

If you're going to carry that stuff, have people carry it in matching briefcase/satchel type bags. Having all that shit in your pockets looks weird.

I still need to touch up the paint on the shield.

It's a nice attempt, I'll give you that.

The SA uniform was purposefully cheap and not snappy whatsoever. They were essentially mass produced surplus colonial uniforms with an armband, boots and cap. I can imagine most Germans probably thought they were very ugly but very practical.

No helmet or gloves.

Reading Alinsky is simple "know your enemy" stuff.

Right now, I would argue that the right is both weak on the knowledge of thyself and that of the enemy.

This is America fellow leaf, it's not how it works there...

I know this is cliche but molyneux did a fairly decent video on rules for radicals, his most widely studied book.

youtube.com/watch?v=SQtlgXqe4aU

Every antifa leader has read this book and many will try to put it into practice.

Also, I'd suggest more armor on top of it. Just get some football pads and it's enough.

Become the SA + Caesar's Legion. Rule the the streets.

>letting communist bash your head it.
Naziboos have been reeled in pretty well. No armband or jackboots or anything larpy.

Oh, I think they're snappy. Maybe I just have bad taste.

You should read Alinsky. It's mostly about how to organise and attack institutions, yes it's very applicable to what "we" want to do but it also shows you how leftists were able to bring about so much societal change in such a short time

Well you could be right, I guess everything modern is just so god damn shitty.

This makes the cargo pants look really bad. I'd go with just dress pants/slacks/dockers.

I'm happy to see this thread because it means all of you are now organizing on your own, but you should know that this is not a new idea. I have been promoting a Storm Battalion (the more accurate translation) for more than a year. Pic related.

Give me a minute, I'm going to put something together.

America is not a place of optic and public relation in which guerilla media tactics can be used to discredit a political opponent?

You show up armed, you show up with gears, you show up with an association to "the far right", and then people see images of people fighting, and I think we all know where the public relation capital is going to go.

Right now, the only reason the right has any support at all is that the left is utterly insane, and display their insanity every day on the campuses of America.

The long term health of the right passes through the building of superior optic and of the exercise of more restraint in our public demonstration. The desire for a show of force at this stage is premature and would quickly establish the fact, in the mind of the public, that both sides of the debates are actually crazy, and that they must equally be destroyed so as to restore the pre Trump status quo, which is to say soft liberal oriented leftist and individualism based multiculturalism, which would destroy any hope the right has of building a demographic policy.

Also consider that if you are a unified group they try much harder to break your ranks and make you rout. Nothing looks worse than a bunch of uniformed people running in different directions from little antifa.

Use a uniform and you'll see more explosives, people yelling gun, etc. Also elected officials will start to get nervous and that will open up other troubles.

Peaceful protest is a tactic for when you're severely outgunned but public opinion is with you.

Public opinion, in my estimation, is currently ambivalent, and could easily turn radically against the right if it perceives it to be undisciplined, aggressive and bellicose.

Based Stickman's gaining popularity and going viral. People love it. What the fuck are you talking about?

The same thing happened in the 20s and 30s and we won. Are you a fucking pussy or something? They made the SA illegal. The Nazis renamed it (or called it the "athletic and gymnastic division").

I also might suggest painting the helmets with red, white, and blue stripes.

Good post. I'd say the number one lesson the 'far-right' in North America should take from Europe, particularly France, is to get the police/military on your side and keep them there. Overtly peaceful protest and other obvious signs of weakness won't convince the people that matter imo.

I have American flag stickers on it.

5/8 babies are born to non-Europeans. The internet exists. etc. etc. America isn't 1930's Germany.

None of that matters. lol. It's about human psychology. People ridiculed Hitler and called him a political novice and a goofball and tried heckling the Nazis, shouting them down. It's all the same shit.

Although some things sure as fuck look familiar. The kikes managed to subjugate 80%+ Russian Russia with a multicult/kike/useful idiot army let's not forget.

>Based Stickman's gaining popularity and going viral. People love it. What the fuck are you talking about?

The only way in which these kinds can work is if you generate a convincing narrative in which it is established that you were acting in self defense.

Everything measure should be taken to insure that this particular outcome is always guaranteed. The public perception must be such that it has to be very clear that violence was only use in self defense.

Consider the case of that dreadlock girl and the manlet white supremacist. Thank God, I suppose, people managed to snap a picture of this girl holding a glass bottle in her hand.

Damn straight the alt right needs a uniformed bloc of strapping fascists for street action.

I want to see it created, and I want in.

Blueshirts. See my above posts.

If you allow yourself to get beat down by your political enemies no one's going to show up, there has to be the threat of retaliation, with peaceful protest the retaliation is the public, it worked in India because if the Poms started shooting at a hunger strike you'd see a mass uprising of fucked off Indians, the public aren't going to give two shits either way if some "Nazis" get the arseholes blown out by Antifa so the retaliation has to be immediate and physical

I would suggest brown shirts...

You're gonna have a lot of Libertarians in there. It's not about fascism (at least right now). It's about nationalism. And defending yourself from communists who feel at liberty to attack your friends and grandparents when the police don't do anything.

This is why you need a Goebbels. And somehow... Youtube is almost entirely pro-conservative? At least the big ones -- and all social justice shit gets downvoted into the seventh level of hell.

Don't call them "Blueshirts" in public, man. Come up with some name based in revolutionary history.

That's probably a good idea.

It doesn't have to be so for at least a substantial amount of rallies. Sometimes you don't even have to show up. When Milo was scheduled to talk at Berkeley, his event was cancelled but the bad publicity generated by the chimpout on the part of the left was worth more than any talk Milo could have given.

And that's what a propaganda war is. The point is not the rally. The point is not the speaker. The point is not the uniforms. The point is the delegitimization and the progressive discredit of the left at all levels of society, coupled with their progressive enragement for the purpose of having them irrationally and against their best interests, and with careful research on the part of the right so that it can build a comprehensive vision of what the future might be like if some of its ideas were to be adopted.

The totality of this exercise is propagandistic in nature. It consists in the fashioning of people's opinions and, as far as I can see, nothing else.

Seems like many people want to fight more than than want to win. We need less Rohm and more Goebbels.

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I would also add this: bring music played by something loud. A big portable speaker towed in a wagon behind or within the formation. Blast patriotic music like Battle Hymn, Marine Corps Hymn, Song of the Green Berets, even Dixie. Trigger Antifa and talk about how great America is. You'll have many libertarians wanting to fight alongside you (maybe even join), so I'd base the name around self-defense and liberty. For example, the Minutemen (though that's what the border patrol dudes call themselves, too).

But the colonial minutemen were a militia meant to show up within minutes to respond to British aggression.

You can train musically inclined people to learn drums within a few hours. Always an option.

>A lot of Libertarians

Since you bring that up...

Libertarians are essentially /ourguys/ who've been rused into sitting in the corner and pouting.

Classic controlled opposition.

Bullycide the kike/shabbos goy leadership into submission. Push out undesirable elements. Usurp the party wholesale, offices, mailing lists, the whole shabang.