Why did the Romans convert to Christianity?

Why did the Romans convert to Christianity?

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Constantine

You probably had to be there. The pagan system was a mess full of hundreds of different gods and rituals, festivals, holidays. Constantine wanted order. 1 god, 1 emperor. No more horsing around!

Muh God helped me win a battle. It was a sign! Plz convert.

Same thing with the Vikings. They conquer all the Christians in the British Isles/enslave them then convert to the same religion and intermarry with them? Wtf. Its like the culture that won the battle ends up being integrated into the losers.

because of jewish takeover. as usual.

Jesusworks

"The meek shall inherit the Earth."

the zionists crushed other types of Christianism and used Rome to spred their washed down version of it through Europes tribes. That´s why Jesus is white, and the christian culture is based on pagan rituals and special dates. It was the way to ease the brainwashing into the european people. Then through the Templars, Crusaders and such, the christian kingdoms spread like wildfire with Rome at center of it all, as intended. The Vatican. The root of all evil. youtube.com/watch?v=70YiOXiGw6g

Because christianity is the perfect tool to keep slaves in their chains

Friendly reminder that Israel/CIA/Shariablue create religious threads in an attempt to cause infighting among us. It's classic D&C (divide and conquer). Ignore religion threads: the OP is NEVER sincere with his questions or points. It all just to start a fight.

Remember how degenerate the roman empire was?

because they saw the light that the Lord has brought them

This.
Jewish globalism plan was at work already

Mithraïsme was a male only religion favored by warriors.
Christianism used women to seduce those warriors, end of the line.

East Rome was very Christianized due to a much better infrastructure and greater population density and a higher population. This is one reason why Constatine moved East to rule, because pagans still lived in Rome, several notable influential families did. West Rome as shown on maps shows "fully Christian"

While the missionaries had made settlements out west all the way to northern Gaul and western Spain, there still many places in the countryside that had not been reached simply because it was out of the way and these things take time, although the cities that were large out west had successful churches.
It was considered sorta backwater compared to Egypt and Greece, and Anatolia.

Not after Constantine did things change. Firstly we start having lots of stories about Christian Martyrs right around the decades during and after Constantine's rule. Saint Agnes is one example off the top of my head.But there are many others, altar boys had to be given bodyguards because they were in danger of being killed by local pagans, even in urban areas in the east.

Stories of martyrdom in these days continue until the Emperors after Constantine ban each one or two types of pagan practices. Not paganism outright but like a certain type of divination or ritual to Venus ect.

Martyrs and violence continue until Theodosius the Great comes along. Another Christian Emperor. He massacres in a heated rage 3000 Thessalonians after they were rioting in the streets. Bishop of Milan Ambrose commands him to stop being so violent and Theodosius goes to him for confession. He is forgiven and dies right afterwards. But right before he died he ordered to ban all forms of Paganism outright.

Paganism is 90% public city worship and 10% praying at the dinner table in private, unlike Christianity which is mostly private. This means all temples are reused as Churches, idols are destroyed and all remaining Pagan rituals are made holidays without degeneracy , like day of the dead

Interesting, thanks for posting.

Let me try to explain it. The Romans and the vikings didn't really "convert" to christianity. By this i mean they didn't have one particular system that they abandoned in favor of another system. That's how we see it in the modern age. Before christianity arrived, Romans and vikings did not call themselves "heathens" or "pagans", if you asked them about their faith they would probably tell you "I follow tradition." or "I worship the gods". Now when the jesus cult arrived in Rome, that was merely another god for the romans to worship. They added new gods into their daily worship all the time and they would build shrines to all kinds of different gods so they probably didn't see anything weird with worshipping Jesus just like they worshipped Sol, Jupiter, Hercules, The Emperor, Mithras, Lares, Mercury, and such.

The pre-christian "system", was simply reverence of the gods, it is the Jesus cult that deviates in the sense that it does not respect other gods.

I always assumed it had more to do with Christians having books and being able to read. Two things the viking culture could benefit from enormously from even if they could kick the shit out of the Christians.

Christians were the first Jews of Europe.

Christianity was a Flavian invention to gaslight the kikes. It worked so well, they eventually decided to adopt it for themselves.

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The Romans wrote books long before christianity came.

Easy to manage a multiculturalism empire with one religion.

Also, a culmination in the struggle between Senate vs Emperor. The senate was mostly pagan all the way up until the Gothic Wars and its dissolution, according to some relatively new scholarship. Most of the acts against Paganism by the late Roman Emperors were moves against the Senate.

Conquered, we conquer

Also I am not saying Easter aka Passover or Christmas are from paganism or their celebrations are from paganism.

The christmas tree comes from Saint Boniface cutting down Thor's tree to convert the Germans to Catholicism, and so it's a mockery of their worship and a celebration of their conversion.
These are Germans putting up the tree for Christmas to remember that their grandfathers converted, and the practice spread far and wide.

Saint Nickolas of course gave presents for Christmas.

What I am saying is that Roman Catholics would go to a new area and convert. Any holidays that they really loved that were pagan, like Day of the Dead with the Aztecs, was cleaned of it's moral filth, by banning the sacred prostitution and human sacrifice that came with it and the idolatry.

This is because the Church's mission is to not ban culture or it's practices but to fix it.

Literally all Celtic, Aztec, Mayan, German, Scandinavian, Greek and Roman pagan texts were preseved SOLEY by Roman Catholics in the Middle ages

Vikings had runes, and runestones generally did the job most books would have done. Writing really didn't take off in Scandinavia until the very late medieval era, before that there was just a limited amount of work. Keep in mind, the vast majority for most of history, until the industrial revolution (and even beyond), were illiterate and did not benefit from having a small literary elite and/or monks.

I always imagined it was a lot more fluid in the old days. Lots of viking burial stones with Christian/pagan carvings. Sort of hedging their bets. Eventually vikings wanted to settle and realize they dealing with a lot of angry Christian kings. It's no good if you cant get in on the action

To undermine the Zoroastrian-believing Persians by taking advantage of the Christian contingent that was causing ground-up discord in the East.

Catholics aren't Christian

Yes, they're Scandinavian, believe it or not.

What are you on about? The vikings got their shit pushed in by Alfred the great and by the time the normans invaded, they had already been assimilated by the franks

>Eventually vikings wanted to settle and realize they dealing with a lot of angry Christian kings. It's no good if you cant get in on the action

That seems to be true, the icelanders decided in year 1000 that everyone on Iceland should become christian, i'm guessing probably out of a fear of foreign christian kings, more than out of a fear of any god.

haha no Christianity was invented to serve the kikes, everyone is invited to the church to give their money, only Jews become Jewish. Goy.

>without degeneracy

Was agreeing until that. What do you mean by degeneracy?

Also it's worth to note that there were still pagans in the former Roman empire, even in Italy and Greece all the way until 9th-10th centuries. We know this because the Christians often complained about them. Pope Gregory, for example, had to turn Castor and Pollox into saints because there were people that refused to stop worshiping them. Apollo was another deity that survived in the Italian countryside until the 9th-10th centuries.

The Laconians in Greece were the last population of the former Roman Empire to convert, being fully Pagan until the 9th century and the Byzantines undergoing a military a campaign to convert them.

Decadence. Too willing to listen to Semitic nonsense.

Christianity was spreading too much to control. Religion was a part of the state for Rome. It tied Roman values, society, and government together. Unlike with other religions, Christianity couldn't just be added to the pantheon. So that had to try to control Christianity and incorporate it into the state.

It ended up being a poor religion for a bureaucratic state, and giving it state powers also corrupted the church. Everyone lost.

Archaeology agrees with this. Whenever a population is converted, there's usually a 3-4 century period where both beliefs are living side by side. Paganism was just kind of blended in with Christianity and culture largely remained the same. There is a very long period of Pagan-Christian synchronizing. Some scholars (like Squire in the early 20th) argued that Paganism was never fully eradicated and that deities were still being worshiped by name and referred to as Gods or spirits all the way until the 19th century in Wales, Scotland, NW England, and Cornwall.

Even today the pagan gods are worshipped.

The Justification that the Magisterium of Rome used for this protection of Pagan practices, even when Theodosius Banned Paganism is

In 2 Corinthains Paul himself tells the Christians that they may eat Meat offered to Idols.

Ok what does this mean?

Meat offered to Idols was the meat of the Sacrifice to a greek deity. Like Apollo, on the altar in front of the Temple steps they kill to cow and the idol is given the bones and fat, and sometimes the thighs. The rest of the meat everyone who attends the service is given as a meal for frree, like bread and wine at communion.

This meat was ONLY available during the pagan ritual/worship service. It is only available in the temple grounds, within it's walls and in the garden, patio, and in the temple building itself. Any leftover meat taken outside the sacred grounds becomes "profane" meat meaning the gods will no longer except it, it's sold inthe market

Paul is talking about eating free steak in the middle of a pagan ritual.
he tells them that they may eat the meat, just not to "give thanks" to the idol but instead to jesus Christ. This means that Paul is allowing them to go to the ritual. This would be like an atheist going to a church service or something and not praying to Jesus.

Because of this pagan rituals in of themselves are not explicitly banned, it depends on how degenerate the ritual is

I am saying this because Varg larpers say Christians took away Paganism with Theodosius. This is simply not true, they salvaged it

Do you have any examples I may not know about?

Paganism is pretty degenerate because it has no unchanging moral code, and historically it has popular rituals that are pretty destructive

The same way Germans will convert to Islam in a couple of years.

Constantine was the Merkel for the Roman Empire.
>captcha: stop revolucion

Yeah that's why I said it was very Christianized, I do recognize that there pagans that went underground or simply moved out of the city

It's a part of degeneration.


Did you ever wish you didn't have to go to church or do some XY activity like going to a wedding or a funeral?


That's exactly what happened, they thought it to be a waste of time/meaningless, maybe they even FORGOT the meaning behind their rituals, procedures and in the end replaced it with a much simpler, more convenient one.

>The christmas tree comes from Saint Boniface cutting down Thor's tree to convert the Germans to Catholicism, and so it's a mockery of their worship and a celebration of their conversion. These are Germans putting up the tree for Christmas to remember that their grandfathers converted, and the practice spread far and wide.

Sauce on that?

First I've ever heard of that, modern scholarship is more agnostic on the origin of the Christmas tree, except it probably originated among Germans.

Thanks to Christianity the strong nord pagans aren't working in plantations for Romans.

He's probably talking about neopagan larpers like Varg.

Christianity required less sacrifice to the gods, the Christian God wasn't so uncaring as the others were.

The reason why is because there literally no written records, and the Church had A LOT of records of how to do holidays the correct way ect ect. It's all codified with the Roman Catholics. We have no sources until AFTER Saint Boniface cutting down that tree of anyone using the Christmas tree.

As far as I am aware of. Some people say that Martin Luther invented it but we have records of people doing it long before him.

Genetic cucks. Atheism is the best religion

>That image

Meh, weird grammar and seems like a kid wrote it. Paganism is too broad to define or generalize, as you can see the author of your image struggling with "well the Romans didn't but then they did and they didn't".

Yes, there is no overall Orthodoxy but there are many different traditions and beliefs that differ region to region, country to country, and time period to time period, just like modern Christianity.

Yes, there were odd cults in Paganism, but there were also odd Christian cults where two people would fuck and dedicate semen as the body of Christ, and menstrual blood as the blood of Christ. Obviously, these cults were wiped out and reformed, as would have paganism.

I'd compare the practice of human sacrifice to witch burnings. Both are illogical, both are barbaric, and both would have never survived the industrial era, and didn't.

As for Aztecs and Mayans, there is no comparison, they were isolated from the rest of the world and developed on an entirely different plane of existence.

I want a source that says the German Christmas tree originated as a mockery of Thor's oak. It just seems like you're speculating. You have an interesting imagination, but I want an actual source, primary or secondary.

are you still buttmad about hadrian?

You are missing his point.

Paganism is has no Orthodoxy
Christianity does

Paganism doesn't have a wrong way of worshiping Apollo. You may do the ritual the wrong way but then you can just call it your version of the ritual. City to city would vary in ritual,one city Worships Athena's Panathenaea, the other doesn't but still gives offerings to Athena.

If you have different beleifs about Apollo or Athena then that's ok in Paganism you can beleive whatever you want, and have whatever type of morality that you want.

It's total freedom

Not so With Christianity and Ancient Judaism where everything is codifeid ther is a right way and wrong way to worship God and there is a right and wrong Theology.

Pagan degeneracy was rarely punished, it varied city to city and generation to generation. Christianity with some exceptions because of Political Corruption, evenly distributed justice because they had UNCHANGING MORALITY.

Get it.

Romans were actually an admirable exception. they had wicked rituals like all the other Pagan faiths, BUT they would literally Purge in the name of their God Emperor. For this reason I believe Rome was a more succesful society.

Look up the Mass Executions of Bacchanalia

Don't get me wrong, you can't do Panathenaea the wrong way, that's really bad for you if you think Athena is real, You are so fucked. But you can make up your own separate set of rituals

If you are an Athenian you were expected to correctly worship Athena, like Said Panathenaea, bc you and your blood ahve a literal legal contract with her.

It's like Taxes. You better do it or your community won't get it's collective benefits.

Paganism is orthopraxy without Orthodoxy

Creating Moral Relativity

Early Christianity defended itself against not paganism but philosophy, Greek and Roman thinkers. That is why it developed a great deal of intellectual work. There is no equivalent of St. Augustine in Judaism or Islam. With Neoplatonism kicks in,which influenced church fathers, Christianity became a coherent and more or less understandable creed.
and people accepted it. don't forget widespread acceptance of a single god (not semitic one) in late antiquity by pagans.
It was more or less natural transition.

>Atheism
>best religion
What even are you saying

Also Witch"burnings" is not an exclusive Christian pracitce

Athens was famous for it's witch burnings as was Rome.

And they had the same exact Reasons the Christians did

because most of the curses invloved Women dominating men and cucking them, literally cursing them into wanting to cut off their balls, or it involved in feminizing men so theyll do what ever they want

The other reason why is because the men who would get involved in magic would create violent feuds lasting generatiosn because it involved cursing other men and their wives out of mad love

Magic was considered a separate religion from classic paganism, because it involved worshiping separate gods, and it involved FORCING/ Compelling and deceiving that god into doing what you want

The pagans thought this was not inherently wrong perse but simply too dangerous for mere mortals
Plutarch on magic
>Fishing with poison is a quick way to catch fish, but it makes them inedible and worthless. In the same way, wives who scheme by administering philtres to and putting spells on their husbands, and gain mastery over them through sexual pleasure, find themselves living with dull-witted, degenerate fools.

They have saint names like Saint George (who kills dragons and fly to the moon, pretty pagan tbqh)
Virgin Mary as the pagan Earth Godess

If you are catholic you can choose to venerate a variety of pagan gods like saints

Roman society became degenerate and people stopped having kids (low fertility rate), also the pagans were pretty atheistic by then and the last pagan emperor was laughed at for his piety. Christian Romans on the other hand had a high fertility rate and managed to preserve the old bloodlines all through the Germanic invasions.

The situation is pretty similar in Europe, except like in classic Islamic invasion tactics the native population is being replaced and an Arabization is occurring. In Christian and Buddhist conquest it's a lot better as the native culture and customs are usually preserved

Because christian religion was superior from a rational-moral point of view than all the magical pagan-shit cults. Romans always adapted to superior cultures.

Faggot
Don't go around spreading Zeitgeist

Pretty much senpai

>muh proofs
Plebbit

You literally just have to find a article or video on Christmas trees and boniface and youll have plenty.

No. Because it's spread like cancer among the poor people. At that time christianity was a revolutionary cult. Basically like communism.
Roman empire accept it to control the church. They completely rewrite it.

1 Cor. ch 7
20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

21 Art thou called being a slave? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.

22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a slave, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.

23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.

And of course Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar and render unto God the things that are God's.

Massive degeneracy everyone was tired of and no faith in current religion. For a better understanding of what I'm saying read "Quo Vadis"

Cucks who love to use Rome as an example of le european civilization always forget the vast majority of the citizens lived absolutely miserable lives. Their despair couldn't even be mitigated by mainstream religion because they weren't even equal in death (An Emperor could become a god, but a pleb never, they all went to hades anyway). It's not surprising Christianity took over with its message of justice and yes, equality. You can ramble against it all you want and some of it it might even be justified, but when Constantine finally gave in, essentially all the Empire's poor and disposessed were Christian already.

to control their territory

This. The slaves would be the first to commit to a lifestyle of equality

Cuck and jew memes aside, it's a really beautiful and aesthetic religion. The allure is obvious, at least it was at some time.

Because they killed Jesus and they were scared shitless of what God was gonna do to them

>reading about Byzantine-Sassanid wars
>Byzantines and Turks used to be bros
what happened

Feast Of Fools in Medieval France was a failed attempt to salvage Saturnalia because it was so popular. They could end the widespread degeneracy but damnit they tried

I am not saying that Christianity came from Paganism, it never did, but Christianis allowed people to continue their old holidays but with moral reformation. Because they're not here to ban European Culture, or any culture.

They're here to save people from themselves and they love them

Gian Lorenzo Bernin


He carved this statue in 1621
The height of Roman Catholic, and overall the height of Christian power and Culture

AND YET

He made this statue

would fap to it

F

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Psalm 51

Commissioned by Lorenzo the Magnificent de Medici made by Botticelli. Devout Roman Catholics.

The model for Mars was Giuliano de Medici

Dante Alighieri wrote the Divine Comedy, which constantly portrays Greek and Roman Mythology.

A Roman Catholic

If the "evil" Vatican truly despised ancient European Culture, then their own city would fail to produce it centuries afterwards. And yet for centuries and millennia afterwards, you have droves and droves of paintings in the Renaissance of the old culture

That's the rape of persephone. Seen it in person, was in the British Museum.

Yeah, breh. Paganism never died. It just became a culture rather than a religion. A Christian could read and hear about the old gods and learn from them, but he couldn't pray to them or worship them.


Here is Apollo and his Sun chariot at Versailles, built by devout French Catholics.

Apollo and the Nymphs in Versailles as well.

Apollo is a Christ-like figure because he represents the son of Zeus and the sun that is resurrected every morning.

What an incredible place

Because it was better.

Here is the Roman Diana, or Greek Artemis, brother to Apollo and goddess of hunting.

Versailles.

because they knew being a jew will get you into big trouble.

Sister to Apollo*

It made the idea of a heaven and after life more reachable. Christianity was already very much aligned with Greek philosophy. The golden rule is the cornerstone of both.

When you conquer us, we win.

A fan of Saint Louis

Monotheistic religions give the powers that be a greater tool of control over the people than polytheism.

One god
One book
One set of rules

As opposed to many gods with different rules that encourage different life style choices.

Also the abrahamic religions are particularly good at inducing undeserving guilt in peasants and a guilty man is easier to manipulate.

Its as simple as that.

it's a shame that patronage has died, especially now that we are more wealthy than ever. If we wanted to, imagine the works of art we could accomplish today with our wealth and ability to educate.

Classical art has been killed by (((them))) so instead of these beautiful sculptures we get period blood paintings.

Constantine

The Pantheon was used as a Catholic Church for a very long time.

The history of religion has something that has always interested me

How can some holy jewish man that was executed for being problematic by the romans be elevated to God status in like 3 centuries? What the fuck happened? What did he do?

And what about Islam? How can a bunch of backwards arabs from the desert suddenly rise up, defeat the most powerful empires and conquer much of the known world? And force everybody to convert?

What the fuck? Why the hell does sometimes history just decide that everybody just goes insane and starts killing and conquering?

Can something like this happen today too?

Nice muddled non-argument you butthurt mestizo faggot

Christianity spread from Minor Asia westwards. The city of Rome allowed a kind of "free market of religions". First the Christians were criminalized, persecuted and killed. They kept growing and people kept converting though until Christianity conquered the minds of the Roman upper class as well. The Germanic tribe of the Franks and Constantinople had disagreements about being the official successor of the Roman Empire. But both of them became full-blown Christians as well.

This doesn't make much sense considering the Roman empire considered the roman emperor itself as being basically a god and unquestionable.

Shouldn't invoking God into a person give even more control?