Pagan Revival = National Revival?

There are a lot of apologists for Christianity on Sup Forums but there's no way around the fact that Christianity is a Jewish invention of the Middle-East. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all involve worship of the same God, an alien god.

Christianity, with it's endless preaching of "turning the other cheek" and "loving one's neighbour" (where neighbour is defined as EVERYONE) smell suspiciously of the suicidal altruism of social justice.

>Luke 6:29
>If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone takes your cloak, do not withhold your tunic as well.


Before you flood this thread with muh crusade memes, be aware that Christianity had to be painfully twisted in able to be accepted by those who already lived in Western Europe. Christ was militarised in order to appeal to Anglo-Saxons and probably Scandinavians (I know most about the conversion of England unfortunately).

To me (no expert, just a searcher after knowledge), it looks like the modern, fluffy Christianity is actually closest to the words Jesus spoke.

Which leads me to the conclusion that if we have to cure ourselves of our "help the world" agenda and renew western civilisation, we have to abandon this weak cuck religion and return to worshiping our own gods, with our own moral lessons. (I also think that returning to a pagan reconstructed religion would help promote traditional gender roles and improve fertility).

Let me know what you think Sup Forums. I'm interested in hearing both your opinions on western paganism/heathenism and also defences of Christianity.

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newstatesman.com/politics/religion/2016/09/tom-holland-why-i-was-wrong-about-christianity
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Christianity as practiced by the ancients reflected the barbarism of the Old World. That's just the way the world was back then. You are quite correct that modern Christianity is closest to what 'true' Christianity would be.

I'm not sure how Sup Forums can maneuver their way around Christianity being a Jewish invention. This should be interesting to see.

>The Book of Ira Shekelstein: 6:0
If you nurse on the blood of an infant through the penis after circumcision, offer your penis to the Rabi.

modern paganism is a fucking LARP. if you don't want to be christian, fine, but don't pretend you actually believe in thor or whatever. and don't pretend your prancing in the woods has any basis on historical paganism beyond tortured extrapolation from post-christian texts.

Christians LARP as Jews. You got your head up your ass. I cant LARP about something i am by birth, you fucking mental defective

>I also think that returning to a pagan reconstructed religion would help promote traditional gender roles and improve fertility
also this is fucking retarded. fetility is inversely linked to wealth, education, and standard of living. white christians had tons of kids when their average living standards were poor. same thing happens in every society that goes from largely agrarian and poor to urban and wealthy.

actually if you break it down by denomination, it's the hyperchristians who have large families and enforce traditional gender roles. your average "pagan" these days is some pansexual, genderqueer with a tree shaped dildo.

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Appeals to false authority. Was Hitler a German... Or just LARPing?

Moron. You did no research on heathen communities. You merely posted a meme you digested from jew tv.

he was an autistic österreicher LARPing as a german.

>Pagan Revival = National Revival?
yes, the two are linked. i'm already making plans to kill christians. the great kike-on-a-stick purge is soon to come.

this

Leave religion to the church, we are concerned with the Earth not Heaven.

youtube.com/watch?v=u_LHwKxcOIM

Paganism as you almost certainly imagine it IS jewish propaganda. It is a construct made up by Jewish-dominated past-Enlightenment academia that has almost fucking nothing in common with what even ancient Greeks, never mind practicers of paganisms from which very little survived to our day, like that of the Norse, actually believed. It was made up to seem anything more than a collection of bloody and incosistent superstitions specifically to undermine Christianity.

Take a look at the most advanced paganism in history, Hinduism. A small bunch of Christian adventurers BTFOed a whole sub-continent its adherents and their descendants only failed to kept India under their thumb due to events that flowed from the Europe abandoning Christianity. Hinduism also was not very successful at teaching people to poo in loo of course.

Yes, changing morals theology and structure will save the race not actually saving the race but targeting people of different ideologies and faiths.

So, wait, you want to lose Christianity, the one real moral driver of the west, and return to paganism because of degeneracy?

Paganism such as

Greco/roman paganism: summary execution, enslavement, rampant homosexuality, rape of slaves by animals for amusement

Viking: sold whites to arabs as slaves, women could have multiple husbands (literally cucks), execution of slaves when masters died, killing for amusement

Druids: human sacrifice, slavery, constantly at war with neighbouring tribes

Are you literally retarded? The reason these faggot converted so quickly was because they didn't want to be fucking animals anymore and saw that Christianity offered them a way to me more than they were.

LARPagans literally don't know their own history. It would be sad if it wasn't so funny.

I hear the hippie argument from liberals/atheists who try to make Jesus a socialist/marxist. He wasn't. Jesus obviously didn't fight and conquer countries. That wasn't his purpose. The main purpose of Christ was to bring grace, faith and salvation to people. However, next time he comes, there will be a great reckoning.

"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure." Psal. 2

'Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken... Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle." Zec. 14

"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch... And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts." Mal. 4

"And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords." Rev. 19

It's impossible to revive paganism, because we have virtually no knowledge of how it was practised. The material we do have is extremely scarce and mostly focuses on the mythology. A lot of it was also written down by Christians (like Snorre) centuries after the culture had died out.

Saying Christianity is jewdized is retarded. Under pagan Rome, Jews enjoyed full citizen rights, as in most of the pagan world, including Greece, Syria, etc. However, once Christianity became a political power, around the 4-5th centuries, Rome made it illegal for Christian citizens to practice Jewish customs, and even turned many pagan practices into Christian traditions.

By the turn of the 11th century, most European nations were already Christian and totally different from rabbinic or Talmudic Judaism. In fact, no christian nation has ever historically adapted anything from Judaism. (Which is why I use the term Christian values, not Judeo-Christian, as that never existed). There was no commonality in the practice of these two religions. Even the interpretation of biblical laws were different. In fact, even Jesus himself condemned the Jews of his day and all their unbiblical or extrabiblical laws. Jesus was one of the biggest opponents of "Jews", which is why they passionately hated him.

By the 16th century, many European countries already had a history of expelling Jews or making them pay extra fines/taxes to live there. Most Jews didn't enjoy full citizenship rights either.

The only reason why "Jews" have been able to get such power, wealth, etc, in these recent past centuries is because they hate Christians. Their whole purpose of gaining global power and influence is to destroy Christianity and Christendom (the Western world), or White people, who are the ones who spread Christianity to other peoples.

Jews were able to live with pagans because they mutually did not pose a threat to each other. They stayed separate for the most part, e.g. kept to themselves (in designated communities, e.g. Greece, Syria, etc). When Christianity came to the forefront, the world was turned upside down, and Christianity gained the most influence in every aspect of life. This turned certain "Jews" in power to become anti-christ, just as when Jesus himself came.

no dude there is an american here who was pagan from birth so we know he has the true record of pagan belief and practices. just ask him.

>modern LARPagan surprised that Christianity, the force that unified Europe and allowed their manifest destiny across the world, has several splinter groups

Think of it this way. At its absolute maximum the population of the world in 0AD was thought to be 230 million people.

The population of Europe was thought to be about 80-110 million.

itbulk.org/population/world-population-history/

Depending on region and county the would have had opposing religions and prayed to different Gods/nature spirits, trees/ whatever.

You can't seriously be surprised that any particular branch of paganism, which probably had no more that a few hundred thousand people following it at any one time, and has no real historical data (as they were illiterate morons) than a global religion with currently a BILLION members (and growing).

Just to put into perspective how fucking irrelevant Norse paganism is there are more Scientolgists in the US today than there were ever people who genuinely believed Odin really existed and sucked dead men's cocks for sperm.

No go and play Skyrim and pretend you're a real Nord. Faggot.

>Greco/roman paganism: summary execution, enslavement, rampant homosexuality, rape of slaves by animals for amusement
>Druids: human sacrifice, slavery, constantly at war with neighbouring tribes
Christian Europe had all of those things for most of its history, are you retarded?

Pagan theology is baseless

>You can't seriously be surprised that any particular branch of paganism, which probably had no more that a few hundred thousand people following it at any one time,
Germanic paganism was practised throughout northern Europe, and had millions of adherents. It's not just a Scandinavian thing, but is usually associated with Scandinavia because that's where most of the surviving records come from.

>and sucked dead men's cocks for sperm.
You're not making a good case for yourself when you're literally quoting a discredited Jew.

Many here are polytheists in practice, given the Kek meme. Even if they're being ironic, they engage in ritual = religion.

>Roman paganism = Homosexuality

No, Republican Rome was very fucking based. IIRC some fag was trashing Caesar's mother, and the crowd responded that he was jealous bc she got more cock than him.

Imperial Rome is where the degeneracy and welfare state kicked up.

Vikings: Also very likely human sacrifice.

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I would prefer polytheism, but then again teaching people to commit to one thing probably has its benefits.

I don't like Jesus Christ, and i don't like the universalism of christianity, i don't like Jehovah, i don't like the trinity and i don't like the "turn the other cheek" idea

I don't think that christianity is worth saving, i think it's a very specific "Saviour" religion that initially won ground in the decaying Roman empire because it promised salvation in the next life, as the people could not have salvation in the earthly life, when it seemed that everything that they had known to be stable in the form of the Empire was collapsing around them.

I think that Christianity prevailed in the elite because they saw it as a useful tool to adopt as their own, obviously as a way to control and steer the masses. I think that abandoning traditional european cults and practices was a big mistake that caused much of the upheaval in Europe after the division and fall of the Empire in the west.
I think the West is stagnating right now with our current pseudo-religion of Human Rights, which took the place of christendom. A mere secularisation, disenchantment of christianity, but most of the universalist, egalitarian, proselytizing manias still live on, without the traditional morality that christianity still had.

If theres any way to get my gf to dance around naked with an antler crown covered in blue paint this is my best shot.

There is only one true God
The gods who did not make this world shall perish with it

>Human sacrifice
>Christian Europe

Show me.


I agree with the rest. Pic unrelated.

People here sincerely believe in "kek"
What makes you think they won't seriously believe in whatever gods they chose to worship?

Interesting point. Greek gods were not immortal in the same way Yahweh is.

The "human failings" of the Greek Gods may have been responsible for the man-centric outlook of the Greeks. As opposed to say, the Egyptians.

Monotheism fucks people's heads though. The Catholic Church did the right thing by promoting the cult of saints, otherwise Europeans would be no different from Muslims today.

The Spanish Inquisition.

thank you for saving me the trouble of setting this fucking moron straight. zitface literally has no idea wtf he is on about.

Your argument is immediately destroyed when you realize the Catholics basically were the Jews biggest enemy for almost 2,000 years

Pagans were basically white niggers

Your pseudo-traditionnal (aka Protestant and broom up your ass' way of life) mind can't conceive what a true ancient pagan weltanschauung was.

100% jew-planned.
> Let's flood the modern world with progressive and luxury ideas so the goyim will react by being over conservative and bigot, and never found what a middle ground position can be.
> profit

Christianity, while not being our ennemy, should be droped as soon as possible, because it's the primal source of our post-modern society.

Pagan "gods" are just powerful demons who are the lords of the earth. The one true God is the lord of all creation. He is eternal and will not die at the end of the cycle like the pagan ones. They are not true gods, just spirits who are happy to gobble up your sacrifices.

Heathenism is not a religion. Only universalist systems can be religions. There is no way to LARP if I am already German.

Problem is, our Paganism, the version with Þunor, was all about dying in battle. That's it. How can you build a society where that is the end game?

Plague and medicine

You're not, you're a Jew, ain't ya schlomo

Its not theology or religion. It is cultural heritage. It is awesome and great!

Too late for that, the disillusionment with Christianity can't be reversed.

>God is Dead; but given the way of men, there may still be caves for thousands of years in which his shadow will be shown. And we — we still have to vanquish his shadow, too.

Only a jew is a white nigger

More idiot christians. You are pathetic. Go back to your cucked jesus the jew

euphoric

>tree shaped dildo.

LOL. Just woke my wife up I was laughing so hard at this.

Kike

Its not a religion and your understanding of it shallow

Christianity has been transplanted violently in Europe.
Christian civilisation only existe because there were people (the white nigger you insult) to make it live.
Michelangelo, Mozart, Wagner, Shakespear, Baudelaire are not particulary christian.

Actually he was Australian

Not jew and not larping as one like you. Keep sucking the king of the jews dick, bitch

I'm not religious, but I think Christianity is worth preserving, because it's been our cultural cornerstone for the past 1600-1000 years, depending on where you're from. It's part of our culture, our history and who we are, regardless of whether we like it or not.

Most European countries also developed their own unique folk lore around Christianity that has nothing to do with the Bible, and which incorporates a lot of paganist beliefs. Norwegian folk lore is filled with trolls, gnomes, hulders, giants, draugs, necks, undead, the devil himself and a physical representation of the black plague as an old crone, and all of these are local beliefs that are intermingled with the Christian faith.

I wouldn't call Christianity a Jewish religion, given that it's a religion developed almost entirely by Europeans.

>christian monks on the holy isle preserve precious learning and latin (king alfred the great lamenting the decline in monastic traditions in england after centuries of war)
>christian anglo-saxons constantly have to fend off pagan vikings who burn down monasteries, slaughter priests and rob coastal villages
>1,200 years later their descendents badmouth the faith and fawn over the religion of the foreign rapists and pirates who were making their lives hell

Monotheism god, is a god among other god. He is only the selfy-est. He is a fraud

Interesting post.

All of you pissed off Christfucks are missing the subtle point here. Your anger and will to fight is that which is left over from your heathen heritage. You are all heathen if white and you are proving it.

Its not your culture. You are merely ignorant of what christianity is.

Underrated post.

>Hey guys, let's go back to the thing that brought us to this same exact point.

>he doesn't worship at the temple of herculaneum

I just found this:

newstatesman.com/politics/religion/2016/09/tom-holland-why-i-was-wrong-about-christianity

>Today, even as belief in God fades across the West, the countries that were once collectively known as Christendom continue to bear the stamp of the two-millennia-old revolution that Christianity represents.
>It is the principal reason why, by and large, most of us who live in post-Christian societies still take for granted that it is nobler to suffer than to inflict suffering.
>It is why we generally assume that every human life is of equal value.
>In my morals and ethics, I have learned to accept that I am not Greek or Roman at all, but thoroughly and proudly Christian.

Exactly this bullshit. There is a nobility in suffering, if that suffering is self-inflicted for a greater purpose (ie. exercising to keep trim, suffering to protect your home/family etc.) I would point to Odin, sacrificing himself to himself in order to gain wisdom.

Bu that's not what Christianity is about. Christianity is about lauding suffering when INFLICTED BY OTHERS. "Turning the other cheek" means saying "thank you sir, may I have another" in the face of the home invader.

I DON'T hold that every life has equal value because some people are thieves and some are murderers and a society should cleanse itself of those people.

Heracles wasn't exactly a moral paragon, but still a better role model for men than a dead kike, that's for sure.

There was no 0AD so i stopped reading post

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So the last 1000 years of my country's history should just be ignored? The life and culture of all of my ancestors back to the viking age is irrelevant?

Yes. Christian lemmings reject their heritage. Its sad because christianity WAS NOT GREAT BEFORE EUROPEANS ADOPTED IT

"christian anglo-saxons constantly have to fend off pagan vikings who burn down monasteries, slaughter priests and rob coastal villages"

Doesn't sound like Christianity. Doesn't sound like turning the other cheek. Sounds distinctly Anglo-Saxon DESPITE the conversion to Christianity.

The cleric fucking told you to ignore this

>The life and culture of all of my ancestors back to the viking age is irrelevant?

Yes it is

And so is the phase when we were cavemen.

Fuck of you larping idiot.Stuff your pagan shit where varg got stuffed in the showers and fuck off/

And so is the phase with gas chamber

but could those people exist in a non-christian society that itself was in-the-making as part of a christian civilization for 1500 years?

it's hard to say one way or the other. i do think that the role of christianity as an anti-entropic force that allows civilizations to reach such great heights is understated.

No, you need to work to seperate judaism from your heritage and purge christianity as the nasty suicidal cult it is.

Eternal anglo

>Fuck of you larping idiot.Stuff your pagan shit where varg got stuffed in the showers and fuck off/
Make up your mind, you fucking idiot. You attack a post where I defend Christian culture, then call me a paganist?

Some if not most of the old pagan values are in the orthodox faith. Shame faggots decided to keep the parts where you stuff yourself full on slavas and forget the other nice things (honor, hospitality, hard work). Oh well, at least the new generation has crosses and saints on their biceps and forearms.

What would you think if islam became part of Denmark for one thousand years, would you accept it as legitimate and part of danish culture then?

Strange bedfellows you got, christian.

It's that angry drunken priest grovelling mick cunt again

This. Clearly put.

Judaism has no history in Norway. They have no historical presence here, and were literally banned in our constitution. They only started to trickle in at the end of the 19th century, but the Germans effectively wiped them out back during the war.
I find it odd that you claim that a religion started by a man who sought to destroy Judaism, and that has shit on Jews for thousands of years is considered Jewish.

yeah dude, fighting invaders is DISTINCTLY ANGLO-SAXON and not a constant feature of all human history.

are you retarded?

I find it hard to accept that Christianity could have any real part to play in the success of middle-ages Europe or even later imperialism.

Western europeans built world spanning empires based on slavery, plunder and conquering DESPITE being indoctrinated into a faith that says love everyone equally.

Imperialism sounds more like very organised viking raiding than anything in the gospels.

Christianity is jewish culture. Why are you so willingly blind?

It doesn't sound like it to you because you don't really know anything about the Anglo-Saxons nor about Christian history.
>The saddest thing about any man is that he be ignorant, and the most exciting thing is that he knows.
>-King Alfred

My understanding is shallow because the subject matter is shallow. I've read just about everything out there about the pre Christian Anglo Saxons. I should have just listened to some Zeppelin and saved myself a bunch of time.

We would not debate over abortion, gay right or immigration if our society was not reeked of christianity.
You can't be yourself, when your religion is universalist.

>tfw no vargina gf

Christ never uttered a word against slavery though.

At best he said that you shouldn't be too harsh with your slaves.

Again, illuminist propaganda, the french republic killed more people in 1 day than the Spanish Inquisition did in 300 years.

End of thread

You are why i hate most of my country. Walmart is probably open. Go fuck off!

You're absolutely right. I take that point. Well made sir.

And yet, allowing any invader into your land, then giving him clothes and food and your women > that;s exactly what Christianity forces you to do. If you resist, you're not enacting Christian principles.

I'm not Christian, moron.

I'm Norwegian, not Danish. And yes, if it was Islam that spread across Europe a thousand years ago, then it would be part of our culture and history whether I like it or not. That's the case in Spain, which was partially occupied by muslims for 800 years. They managed to drive them out, but the muslim culture is still part of their history and culture.

I'm not comparing numbers, the autos-da-fé literally involved human sacrifices motivated by religious teachings. One person or a million, it doesn't really matter.

But the French Revolution should definitely be included in the "summary executions" that bong mentioned.

>Christianity is jewish culture.
Maybe among the neocons in the US.

Why dont you understand that universalist religions are not culture. NOT CULTURE!

Paganism fell for a reason. It won't save you. People back then actually believed it 100% and it was still destroyed. You think today's nihilistic, apathetic ADD generation could bring it back? lol. Learn from history.

Tell me then, is Odin on your crosses or a jew?

What you hate most about your country is yourself.

Who the fuck cares what Hitler thought? He failed and he is dead.

>It doesn't sound like it to you because you don't really know anything about the Anglo-Saxons nor about Christian history.

Here's the rub. "Christian" history has largely nothing to do with Christianity. The nations who became overwhelmingly Christian didn't practice the gospel principles until the 20th century!

So either western Europe prospered DESPITE Christianity, or it changed the definition of Christianity to such an extent that the new testament it irrelevant now.