Believe in God

They guy who created pain out of nowhere for no reason and then created a planet full of creatures susceptible to pain who's only method of surviving is eating eachother alive.

>sounds like a rad guy

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Mosquitos have a purpose though. Bats eat them, the bats shit out guano, and guano is used as fertilizer.

>be God
>create Satan
>God can't control Satan
>Satan has godlike powers
>Satan is still not a God
praise jebus

He sounds metal as fuck.

satan created trees

are you implying trees are evil?

trees grow fruit
adam and eve ate the fruit
trees are evil

>be God
>7 deadly sins
>be wrathful
>be envious
>send the local homeless man to hell for stealing a can of soup
wew

that's pretty fucking metal OP

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Gee it's almost like the world used to be perfect until something happened. Hmm, wonder what that could be. Should I find out?
>nah F that bro I need to be spoonfed or I'll just make up my own theory.

god is actually a nigger, he created niggers (from africa), but they somehow evolved into superior beings than him and now he is jealous.

>created pain out of nowhere for no reason

there is a good reason for pain. look up what happens to people with congenital analgesia that don't experience pain.

there's probably a god and he just doesn't give a shit about us.

or god is a woman which explains why she's so incompetent.

God
>Is God
>Cant fix a broken world.

>be God
>create beings with free will

>have children
>they misbehave
>reward their disobedience
lol

>They guy
Stopped here.

WE WUZ GODZ N SHIT

Pain is a signal that there's something wrong with your body. You should be worried if you don't feel it, new get out underaged faggot

This.

I don't know about the rest off these chucklefucks, but I'm glad that He has given me the freedom to live my life as I see fit.

He lets us make our own choices. It's not His fault that we fuck things up so much.

>be god
>make jews
>??????
>SHEKELS

>only method of surviving is eating eachother alive.
You don't cook your food?
>guy who created pain out of nowhere for no reason
God created a world that his creations were happy in, and they fucked it up. He even offers salvation from it that requires very little effort on our part.

Satan is original sinner, Pride. I still don't understand how this was possible, considering God created angels to have no emotions, to be warriors and serve God without question. Angels were not given free will, only humans were. So how did Satan start to become envious of humanity? How did his pride consume him and lead him to raise an army in Heaven to go against Gods will?

Explain that to me Christfags, I'm curious.

you sound like a big limpdick
>afraid of pain
>afraid of competition
the suffering is key to wisdom, without it we would be just bunch of purposeless sheeps satisfied in eternal mediocrity. Pain gives meaning to happines and make it worthy to fight for. Grow up, fag.

create beings that have to kill other living things to sustain itself with energy, program mortality into their dna by making telomeres shorten with each cell division.

Tell them you love them, but forbid them knowledge to ease suffering, because gods a nice guy but also a busy guy.

claim the world is a perfect thing, when its obviously an evil creation with some good aspects such as colors.

Darwin said everything is at war for survival, everything is killing everyother thing to stay alive.

If god was a good person, why wouldn't he make it so that you didn't need to eat, or kill.

Because that's boring, god wanted a reality with suffering and pain for its own amusement, and we're still assuming good exists, when I look around I just see lesser forms of evil.

We don't know. We don't know the scope of an angel's will either. Maybe the different ranks or kinds have more or less willpower. Maybe I'll ask when I meet the King.

>Be God
>create Satan
>create niggers
>create Jews
>create Arabs
>create viruses, insects and animals that can kill you
>because it's funny

better lurk moar newfag

Not a bible scholar. Satan is just a fuckin dick bro, thats why he wants so many souls in hell to torture. Who knows why he does it, hes just a complete ass

Live is suffering!!!

And you're capability to handle the sufferring determines your worth as a man.

If you would just look into why everything is the way it is, you would see that this way we live now is not even close to the way God intended life to be. Go read Genesis. When you get to the part where God curses man, then you'll understand what is going on.

>create pain
>for no reason
Found the retard

I am not religious and I agree with this statement.

you make choices huh? How does that work? Do you control your brain chemistry somehow? Or do you control everything in your environment?

where did you get the idea that angels are without emotionless? supernatural? get the fuck outta here

>you make choices huh?
Go outside and jump in front of a bus. Yes, you make choices.

>Explain that to me Christfags, I'm curious.

Everything is pulled out of your ass ... angels no emotions , citation needed .

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. He wouldn't go to hell if he confessed in his heart and soul that he believed in Jesus Christ.

this is where your image is wrong
>We shall try to keep our institutions working like they used to
Not what Jesus taught, and not what (actual) Christians follow.

god is omnipotent all powerful, free will is an illusion, god can control the minds of any object or being, including satan.

Like Q from star trek, he can do what he pleases, he can prevent evil, but instead allows it.

this implies god is not a good being, god has no empathy, god is apathetic, god isn't all powerful, god is not omnipotent, god is not all knowing, god is not perfect, god isn't human, god isn't alive, god isn't aware, god isn't a creator, god isn't real.

or

god is evil

See I find the archetypal jungian application of religion fascinating and redeeming for people who have faith but this mythological fantasy shit that christcucks actually believe in literally turns me straight back into a christopher hitchens atheist edgemaster.

Good in Christian theology is to follow the eternal law, which in very simplified terms means it is to follow one's nature. Evil is to purposefully do the opposite. It has to be purposeful because evil carries the possibility of choice.

God can choose to take away our free will. but the point is, he wants us to choose him. "I give you blessings and cursings, life and death. choose life."

nope

something from the environment might stimulate my senses, a chemical change would happen in my brain from this stimulation, my brain might then signal my nerves to move my body in the direction of a bus, but I don't have any control over any of that.

You haven't put much thought into this have you?

I understand that Angels have different ranks like Watcher/Cherub/Seraphim whatever but still all of them were made by God to be warriors and soldiers that do not question God. No free will, no freedom to explore and dwell on emotions (that Angels don't feel anyway lol).

From my understanding the ultimate goal of Satan is to warp humanity and make humans fall in a similar way to himself, by corrupting them with their own sins as an ultimate fuck you to God, to show God that "hey you remember you told me to bow down and worship humanity, well look at your precious humanity now LOL". Although I'm not a scholar, there's just an inconsistency with that war in heaven story and the Angels falling from grace.

>They guy who created pain out of nowhere for no reason and then created a planet full of creatures susceptible to pain who's only method of surviving is eating eachother alive.

>Angels were not given free will.

You have no definitive way of knowing this. The church doesn't teach it and nothing in the bible suggests it. St. John of Damascus taught the angels, being bodiless, are subject to a different free will than ours. Angels are not changeable where we are most certainly changeable. God loves Satan just as much as he loves the Saint; we will all face him equally in the end, but those who refute God will find it unbearable. You're too caught up in Western cherubs and anime-tier wars in heaven, when really it is entirely outside of our comprehension.

Pains an evolutionary responce to make us flee from danger m8

you are wrong, free will isn't possible when destiny exists, revelations tells of the end of the mortal world, this is called destiny, which means our actions are predetermined, otherwise revelations would not happen if humans could use free will to prevent it.

but alas god is all knowing and just.

i still ask, are you pulling this shit from supernatural?

The smiting of Sodom, they were sent to fulfill tasks of God as emotionless warriors. The bible also, humanity has free will only, Angels do not, it's not mentioned. Free will as I said implies the ability to understand emotions and allow oneself (angel or human) to be corrupted by their own sin.

Idiot.

i can plan for a long ass road trip, but does that mean that every single thing that i do is predetermined by myself? no. revelation is the endgame plan.

God is omnipotent and omniscient by definition. Thus God necessarily permitted Satan defy him. This can only mean Satan is actually serving God by taking out the trash souls of humanity. God obviously knows the two are in on it together, while Satan may or may not.

Whether God does something that man would define as "good" or "evil" doesn't matter to me if He's the one letting me live right now. He sent a Savior with a living tutorial on how to live after death, so I'll be following it, and following God as well.

Everyone is evil to man if they aren't on his side.

No, Ezekiel talks about the different ranks.

Do you even read? I went to bible club as a child and was forced to go to church as well and have read the bible 4 times. So don't tell me I'm pulling shit out my arse. I'm not and I don't watch supernatural it's not even on in this country.

dude, they were legitimately in a town filled with people who were doing disgraceful things to themselves. its like if you had to go into russia to rescue one family bc a nuke was going to be dropped on the city. im pretty damn sure you would try and find them and get the fuck outta there

God said the world will end, and outlined how it will end, yet he also said he has chosen 4400 people to be raptured, while other will suffer in the end days with no remorse.

This implies revelations has already happened, and that the 4400 have already been saved, and he is a time travelling space wizard rubbing it in on a bunch of camel jockeys 2000 years ago.

God only set up the beginning and the end. What we do in between is up to us. Trust me, God didn't predetermine you to fap to anime porn all day.

Too much T.V. for you.

>Be puny human with an extremely limited understanding of the world
>Pretend to understand the reasons of an infinite Being who created the universe and it's physical laws as we currently understand them

Go figure

>be God
>create beings with free will
>beings choose not to believe in me
>punish them

ezekiel may talk about the different ranks, but it never says anything about the angels being emotionless or having a lack of free will

I understand that, but God had ordered angels to protect and watch humanity and then says "oooh go smite Sodom, it's full of degenerate filth". "Okay God" without question. Just obeying.

>Trust me, God didn't predetermine you to fap to anime porn all day.
top kek

Yes, without question.

What is hard to understand?

>be Dad
>have son
>tell son not to touch the stove because it will hurt him
>he does it
life is unfair.

>created pain out of nowhere for no reason

There are people who currently do not have the ability to feel pain. They rarely make it past their 40s, because it turns out that being able to feel pain and discomfort is a good tool that your body uses for survival.

It means are actions are known - not that they are determined. Revelation is God making his will known in God's terms - an influencing factor, perhaps, in any decision that we make, but not the be all and end all.We are responsible for how we deal with revelation in the scheme of our own lives.

And I just told you that there is no mention of free will or angels having emotion in the bible either.

So we're at a standstill you and me. If you want to draw comfort from Angels having emotions then by all means go for it, but it's a bit of a contradiction and an inconsistency when you've got Angels that blindly follow to the letter without hesitation that will destroy an entire city full of humans that they were once told to protect and look over (causing the war in heaven in the first place, the whole watching and protecting and bowing down to humanity) an then in the blink of an eye, "you go destroy that now". Without question.

This world is a prison, punishment for our actions in a previous life. God loves us but he does not let unrighteousness go unpunished

>christcucks will deny this
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Because these same Angels were once told to bow down to humanity that started a massive war in heaven that saw Angels have their brothers kicked out. Now if Satan can feel emotions and anger and rage and pride etc, do you not think the others would? You not think any of them would oppose this?

Luke 15:10
In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.
>angels don't have joy

>The smiting of Sodom, they were sent to fulfill tasks of God as emotionless warriors

Yes and that is why they saved lot and his family because they are emotionless warriors , free will for angels is a given or they could not have rebelled against god .

finally somebody gets it

>And I just told you that there is no mention of free will or angels having emotion in the bible either.

You are right that it does not mention it in the bible, but since we know the story of Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels being cast out, we can automatically assume it to be true.

Just stop.

>>sounds like a rad guy
>implying He isn't

Get rekt by a bear, kid.

what we do inbetween has no effect on the ending, thus our free will is meaningless because the ending has already damned us.

having a predetermined ending means our decisions up to that ending have already been made in order for the chain of events in the timeline to have reached that outcome, for instance the mark to buy and sell, aka the mark of the beast.

which human invented and forced the mark of the beast onto the population, if this was his "Free will decision" then he could also have a timeline that he doesn't create the mark and thus the chain of events in revelations do not occur.

but since a human has to create the mark of the beast, for revelations to begin, then free will is not real.

once you point out the fallacy of the idea of free will and destiny co-existing the entire bible and its believers who aren't capable of critical thinking all fall apart.

Every time I meet a jew, muslim, or christian, I have to explain the very fundamental basics of critical thinking for them to understand that religion is nothing more than a man made creation to prevent the poor from rebelling against the ruling classes.

Moron. Pain exists to teach you to stop doing stupid shit. Without it, you would continue to slam your head into cheese graters and jump off fucking cliffs.

You are that fucking stupid.

>You not think any of them would oppose this?

They didn't because God is infallible.

>causing the war in heaven int he first place

It's never mention why exactly the war started. It just states that there was one.

>getting this confused why angels would destroy a town full of degeneracy and ungodliness

The angels tbag are still with God clearly agree with him (they didn't join Lucifer) so why is it so difficult for you to consider that they agree with God?

They were ordered to protect humans. Destroying a group of self-destructive humans that will forever ruin humanity is part of protecting humans.

If you're raising dogs and a few of them start to kill the others and might encourage the same action to others then it would be your job to put those dogs down so that they do not harm any others.

what if i told you hell doesn't exist

t. Nigger believes in sky daddy

note, i am a christian here. i just don't believe in an afterlife the same

Not in that scenario at least, they did what he asked of them.

The only time angel went against God was when Lucifer talked some of them into believing they could be gods. So god cast out those ones and anyone on the fence.

So you think pain has no reason to exist?

If you knew the story of lucifer, you would realize is specifically refers to him as a human, and lucifer =/= satan

injury has no reason to exist.

Ya that's teh sciency thing.

But what about quantum uncertainty.

There might be free will, man.

That's why they'll never perfect quantum computers.

But I guess if they manage to do that, then I am wrong and there is no free will.

>our free will is meaningless because the ending has already damned us.
If you are damned it is quite literally your fault. Do you complain that the sign reading "CAUTION: HIGH VOLTAGE" on an electric fence damns you? No one is forcing you to piss on the fence and kill yourself.
>having a predetermined ending means our decisions up to that ending have already been made
You forget that with God all things are possible. Maybe you were a case of Judas and were destined to die, but guess what? God performs a miracle and spares you (ONLY THROUGH YOUR OBEDIENCE) from hell.
also about the mark of the beast, Revelation just predicts something that men will have in them allowing them to partake in the world economy. It just so happens in 2017 that mark takes the form of the RFID chip that contains all your ID and cash and bank info etc. This was man's free will decision because they are choosing to disobey what Jesus taught on money, and have slid so far away from His words and love money so much they need a quicker way to pay because they feel inconvenienced with physical money. The Mark is a product of man's freedom of choice away from God's Word.

I don't think I could ever be cruel enough to be a Christian. I don't think anyone really deserves anything, much less to be tortured forever.

>God only set up the beginning and the end
not how cause and effect works you fucking moron

Ya, I am not on board with the Lucifer being human story.

>muh pain, muh suffering
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>being a christian is now cruel
wow, this really makes me think and stuff

Revelations predicts nothing, it is there for you to understand the consequences of wickedness and the eventual triumph of jesus over sin and death.

Start trying to predict events, when the bible specifically says no one can predict them and you are just another false prophet damning yourself with the others.

Then fucking kill yourself.

except the mark isn't an rfid chip, the mark isn't paper currency or coinage.

the mark was described in detail, and for a thousand years people have claimed many things to be the mark, and that the end of the world is near.

guess what

the world is still here, don't go drinking that koolaid just yet.

We shouldn't try to make the world heaven on earth, we should try to cure disease or help eachother, because of the debbie downers who don't want us to masturbate, and who preach that its all pointless, just repent and follow gods laws.

don't invent things, or do good things, or enjoy your life, instead be miserable because god wants you to be miserable.

gods such a great guy though, except god is jesus or was jesus god, or did god fuck himself and give birth to himself because god is omnipotent, so god could have been the virgin mary and fucked himself then created himself in her womb, then gave her a new hymen to make sure that pussy was tight.


also why didn't jesus create antibiotics if he wanted to go around healing people, why doesn't the bible speak of advaned technology, instead everything is about horses, and working the land.

>reddit spacing

>don't invent things, or do good things, or enjoy your life
t. retarded fucking burger atheist who forgot about countless Christian scholars and monks copying books.

>also why didn't jesus create antibiotics if he wanted to go around healing people
Because his kingdom is in fucking heaven, not here. He doesn't give a shit about your body. He took pity on Lazarus and some other guy, that's it, he explicitly said that he's not coming here to bring peace or fix everything wrong with the world.

If I couldn't bring peace or fix the world, because I did not have the power to do so, how would I convince people that I still had the power to do it, but just didn't want to?