Can we please have one of the Rhodesian threads again? Haven't seen any of them in a few days and I'd be very interested if we could have an intelligent conversation about the Rhodies.
Do you think that if for any reason the U.D.I. was declared legal Rhodesia would still remain the proud Jewel and bread basket of Africa as it was or would collapse?
Do you think Ian Smith did right by declaring the U.D.I. and how he handled the political landscape of Rhodesia?
How do you think those Rhodesians must have felt when they lost their land displaced by the enemy so hardly they fought?
Rhodesia is the most extreme cautionary tale both from the Ancap perspective, and from the NatSoc perspective.
Evan Bailey
It wasn't an-cap though. It was capitalist authoritarian and overtaken by Marxists.
Leo Young
Even though Capitalist Authoritarian, the country did move forward, economically it was pretty well even put through with the sanctions, yes with the help of South Africa, but the country, considering this was the 60's and racism was at the peak, it wasn't as hard as the U.S. or South Africa's apart heid was. How could such a country collapse with the excuse of "Racial discrimination" ?
Joseph Campbell
The capitalist aspect is what I'm talking about. Additionally, Hoppean Ancapism is all about keeping disperate populations separated and non-aggressive, which is what Rhodesia excelled at.
Logan James
But I thought Sup Forums was all about kicking out foreigners?
David Bailey
>the white man in black africa
Rhodesia is a great memory and all, but I'm more worried about securing the white man in (decreasingly) white Europe and America.
Matthew Sanchez
Yes, sure telling the nignogs to not break the NAP would have solved all of Rhodesias problems overnight.
Adam Bell
Fuck (((TIME)))
Julian Ward
True, it's important to protect our own homelands, to be able to stop the invaders, but if you think about it, isn't this "Global Political Correctness" what killed the Rhodesians? Isn't Europe, America and any other region just Rhodesia repeating itself, countries collapsing and losing their identity to the false song of globalism and political correctness?
I couldn't agree more, the "Segregation" worked pretty good over there, considering that the economy was booming and yes, the blacks had a smaller paycheck, but they had a place to live, a job and a good living standard, what exactly do the lot in Zimbabwe have, nothing. It's a fact, segregation, DOES work for dangerous races and population.
We are, because foreigners fail to remain civilized, respect the way of life and maintain the country as is socially, culturally and economically, once they get in the way of those things, they are the enemy.
>We are So you're for Mugabe kicking out the foreigners?
Samuel Bennett
Rhodesia wasn't foreigners. Boers and Englishmen inhabited the Southern African region before Bantus moved in.
Angel Gray
Certainly not, if you can remember, Mugabe was for not keeping order in the country, he was for executing white farmers, who by the way raised the economy of the country, because they did not want to flee their country or, "willingly" hand over their farms to black folks. See, Mugabe was stopping progress, he was a communist, in a sense, willing to stop progress and create the mess that Rhodesia, excuses, "Zimbabwe" is, today.
Noah Jones
I wasn't shilling for an-cap.
Levi Ward
Sup Forums is all about fighting for Europeans/whites
Justin Roberts
>rhodesia
Evan Taylor
There's some nice jazz music on.
Aaron Diaz
How many generations does someone have to live in an area to no longer be a foreigner or an immigrant? So as long as a foreigner is behaving well and being productive, he can stay? Sounds reasonable to me. >Sup Forums is all about fighting for Europeans/whites So Sup Forums's not actually against immigration per se?
Ryan Perry
Sorry, the islamist reading comprehension hit mee hard.
Lucas Gray
>proxy >
Nathan Jenkins
Rhodesia was basically an investment project by the "Cecil Rhodes Corporation" so to speak. They got a charter from the Queen to go to Africa and in essence set up a private business owned colony in the middle of nowhere. Very quickly, they became the most well situated country in Africa.
Once agriculture took off, there were efforts to reduce black birth rates, which (by means of polygamy) had been high to cope with low survival rates. They built houses for the natives and gave them jobs. Black Rhodesians were incredibly non-violent due to a mixture of good law enforcement and high purchasing power (thanks to white money).
Today, Zimbabwe has >90% reported unemployment. Mugabe instituted all sorts of shortsighted wealth redistributions and was generally a thug. They chased out all the white money, and now they have to beg for foreign (white) aid.
Sven once again talks shit without having a clue what he even means.
Noah Butler
>Mugabe was stopping progress I think he passed a law allowing him to rule posthumously.
Jackson King
Bump
Elijah Perez
Was born in Zimbabwe in the 90s.
According to accounts from my relatives, Mugabe taking over was a total disaster. Initially, it was okay, but things took a huge turn for the worst when Mugabe stripped whites of their land. Plenty of friends of my relatives died during that time, and I believe whites who'd previously fought for Rhodesia were also killed. After that, it was a mass exodus of whites. All of my relatives moved into South Africa, and we left in the 00s. I think the only reason we survived was because we were on a small plot of land near the capital, which likely wasn't of much interest to Mugabe's govenrment. The few times the police did come over, I believe my father spent a lot of the time with his gun pointed at the door.
It's also worth noting that things were so terrible for everyone there that even blacks were happy to be maids simply to have food, shelter, and a tiny bit of money to spend. We managed to have five, all funded by a small harvest of crops, and a crafts business.
Can't remember many more details than that.
Andrew Butler
Rhodesians weren't immigrants. And yes, european immigrants are far better than any other type of immigrant
William Jones
>How many generations does someone have to live in an area to no longer be a foreigner or an immigrant? Usually however many it took to build a nation there
If you're the first people in an area you're not an immigrant.
Julian Lopez
Hey the Lambeth walk is on! I recognize it.
Isaac Collins
>even blacks were happy to be maids simply to have food, shelter, and a tiny bit of money to spend
So fucking sad and avoidable.
>Can't remember many more details than that. What's the general feeling among former Rhodesians about what went wrong? How many are you in contact with? Is it more a racial feeling or a political one?
Joseph Powell
I met a former Rhodesian at the pub once in college, he was studying there. Was just a normal guy didn't really want to talk about it or be seen as racist. Sup Forums has got the wrong the idea.
Check out David pocock videos on YouTube, rugby star who moved to Australia from Zimbabwe. He even goes back and helps them in charity and shit, the people who forced him from his home at a young age.
Austin Diaz
People supporting ZANU: China, the Warsaw Pact, Cuba, western liberals and social democrats and basically western governments
People supporting UDI: Most white Rhodesians, the Monday Club
Even South Africa was diffident about UDI.
It was for the best though. We saw the END of Rhodesia and the RISE of Zimbabwe with Mugabe at the helm.
It's great when the far right goes beyond the bounds of what western liberal democracies want, because it ALWAYS results in a victory for the left. Look at the end of World War II, we took over eastern Europe, and western Europe was under a heavy communist influence.
Luke Anderson
>90% unemployment
This can't be true. Yes I bet it's pretty high but you've gotta have a lot of people making money in the informal market and not reporting on it because of the taxation there
Wyatt Stewart
I was careful to say >90% *reported* unemployment And yes you are correct.
Leo Thomas
>european immigrants are far better than any other type of immigrant I never considered Europeans immigrants just foreigners. That's how I felt about Brazilians too, I used to manage a Wendy's in Hyannis Ma and I worked with a lot of both. The only guy I couldn't stand was a South African guy.
