Hitchens V white nationalist

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For all the genuine white nationalists in here, care to respond..

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south africa had not proven hitchens wrong yet

This man is literally either a sperg, a shill or a Jew.

name calling does not constitute an argument.

Hitchens didn't disprove anything he said. He was just very smug and pompous, leading retards to think he won the argument.

Most people are memorized by veneer, substance be damned

south africa is the argument

fair point but it seems a lot of people on this board think a racewar is bound to happen, and are preparing for it. Isn't it always preferable to just stop it with the ID-politics and stop dividing people in groups based on race? I'd much rather keep fighting for that then having a racewar. Everything is preferable to a racewar, bar nuclear annihilation.

true he was pretty smug, but at least he treated him with enough respect to let him speak his mind. Thats a lot more than what the Left is doing nowadays.

There is already a race war in America. Look at the black on white crime stats.

Also if you can't tell that most people on here are joking when they talk about race wars you probably shouldn't be posting

especially at 8:00 he points out his hypocrisy.

thats why is said genuine white nationalists. I'll say it sometimes gets blurry as to how many people are joking and how many are serious.

do you have any sources for those stats? cant find any on google

FBI crime stats. Look it up

But do you think the majority of those killings were motivated by racial hatred? Or do you think the black communities commit more crime anyways, and thats why blacks kill more whites than the other way around?

Yes. A lot of blacks absolutely hate white people. They are also openly racist towards anyone who isn't black

Ive seen it firsthand. I used to live and go to school in a majority black area

Look at stats, even after you adjust for income levels of both victims and perpetrators they are specifically targeting whites.

i still doubt the majority is racially motivated. No doubt blacks are more racist against whites than vice versa, but there'd have to be an investigation as to the motivations of black on white crime to be sure.

no doubt the average poor black man commits more crime than the average poor white man. So if a poor black person lives in a poor majority white community he will on average commit more crimes against whites than if the opposite were the case.

Personally I don't really care why their doing it, I just want people to acknowledge that it's happening.

There is this weird thing in America where everyone knows blacks are violent, and even your most leftist sjw knows not to walk through the ghetto, but at the same time no one will acknowledge what we all know to be true

Poor blacks live around other poor blacks. They specifically target white areas in many cases

There's already a race war. You've just been heavily indoctrinated. You've been programmed to feel negative emotion triggers when anyone talks about the differences between races.

It's one of those topics that Hitchens really wasn't particularly good on tbqh.

He also thought the U.S should pay reparations for slavery and Jim Crow.

I'll pay reparations for American slavery when every other group of people in history that has used forced labor pays first.

I know about those figures. Where you and I probably disagree is whether this is because of race, or culture. And it's pretty clear 'black culture' promotes aggression and violence way more than 'white culture'. This is probably partially due to segregation.
For instance new African immigrants commit on average less crime than whites. So to say it's genetics is, I think, false.

I saw that debate. He seemed not very committed, and seemed to argue for arguments sake.
Or it might have been some of his old marxist views sticking

>adjusting for population size when you're already looking at interracial crime

My sides are in orbit. This guy needs to go retake basic statistics.

Yes that's because we tend to get the best Africans who are dying to flee Africa and want to get away from the violence in their home countries.

But just look at your average African. Don't look at immigrants to America if you want a more clear and whole picture

sure, that's true. So what would you say is the cause for the average low iq and high crime rates for Africans?

The U.S. should pay reparations for slavery and Jim Crow through policies that fundamentally help to elevate black America, absolutely. This would be amazing for the entire U.S.

cant tell if joking...
if not.
While we're at it, why not pay reparations for all people who have ancestors that have been oppressed. Jews, Christians, Slavs, the Irish, Indonesians....

Mostly genetics and some environmental factors. I don't have the sources on me (Its on another computer) but from what I remember it was determined that genetics had a 75-80% impact on IQ and behaviour
They're slaves and don't deserve anything, they can get a free ride back to Africa

All the smart people left thousands of years ago to explore the rest of the world.

Thousands of years of the worst of the human family evolving together in a place where you don't need to do much planning probably did it.

Dont cut yourself with that edge.
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>Where you and I probably disagree is whether this is because of race, or culture.
after a certain amount of time the distinction doesnt matter. it has been proven time and time again that when black people are together in large numbers there is high amounts of crime, degredation of infrastructure and high levels of unemployment. they also do very badly in schools.

whether it is because of race or culture we will never know because it is politically incorrect to do any sort of study to find out

we were talking about reperations, not urban renewal. the black communities certainly need that. Those communities are generally not as well kept as others, and it's the state's responsibility to take care of these things.

if it is a cultural problem then they must get over that obstacle themselves because nobody will do it for them. a people can only be helped so much by others.

So would you say those Africans could be 'rehabilitated' if they were put in a civilized environment for, say, two generations?
Or do you think no matter what they will always eventually splerg out?

I certainly agree with that. Thats also why i think things like Affirmative action are fucking cancer. If you give a man a ladder, he will never learn how to climb the fence on his own.

Tens of thousands of years of evolution can't be fixed in 2 generations lol

precisely

Thats where you and I disagree. I think genes can change relatively fast. I think environment has a larger impact on these things.

>I think genes can change relatively fast. I think environment has a larger impact on these things.
this

>I think genes can change relatively fast.
stop thinking

given that a few hundred years ago indians were uneducated barbarians for the most part, and now India provides some of the most intelligent math and IT specialists in the world, surely you can see my point?

>given that a few hundred years ago indians were uneducated barbarians for the most par
haha where did you get that from?

>can't into Gaussian curve

and yet they still have yet to master the toilet

I guess I'm just assuming... most of the millions of indians living there lived in huts and didnt have much in the way of science compared to the West

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Indian_innovation

>2500 BCE Ancient flush toilet systems: Toilets that used water were used in the Indus Valley Civilization. The cities of Harappa and Mohenjo-daro had a flush toilet in almost every house, attached to a sophisticated sewage system. See also Sanitation of the Indus Valley Civilisation.

ironic isnt it? some things just don't catch on. maybe they realised something we havent

i refer you to the wikipedia link provided in this other post.

europeans learned a lot fro the asian subcontinent. almost everything in fact. but for some reason we surpassed them and left them in the dust. there was a time where we were far more inferior to asians but then we caught up and took over

for some reason sub saharan africans and other peoples never did.

interesting stuff...

>for some reason
I point you to the Bell Curve

compare that wikipedia link to this one
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_scientists,_inventors,_and_scholars#Sub-Saharan_African

ignore the north african section as they are not black and look at the sub sahran african section

most of those people never invented anything that didnt come from european or arabic influences rather they just made "comtributions" to the field and almost all of them are post 19th century ie post colonialism

I can see why they didnt invent anything prior to colonization as they probz didnt have much time for inventing since they were constantly looking for water and watching out not to get eaten.
I think that has certainly had a big impact on the situation.

are you joking man?

smart people do not live in areas where there is no water thats why most peoples migrated to fertile lands. look at the number of cities based around rivers. this happens for a reason. there are plenty of fertile lands in africa. plenty.

as for not getting eaten by wild animals if early europeans could hunt down wooly mammoths and fend off sabretooth tigers then what excuse is there for others?

so you are saying the ancient africans were too stupid to think finding water might be a good idea?
Maybe they were just unlucky. It doesnt look like they had many rivers
mappery.com/Africa-River-Basin-Map

idk. maybe you're right and africans are the offspring of losers of the evolutionary game

there are plenty of rivers and lakes there so i dont know what you are talking about. rivers are not the only source of water either.

anyway this idea that all africans live in areas where there is no water or food is a myth. mostly perpetuated by unedcated westerners.

it has nothing to do with luck and everything to do with innovation and ingenuity. even animals know that they need to migrate when there is no water.

about the animal part.
exactly. which is why i find it hard to believe africans are dumber than animals. Unless you think finding water is more difficult then developing a language.

of course theyre not im not saying they are. im not even saying they are dumber than anybody else. im not a scientist im just pointing out the evidence.

when people blame the west for the conditions africa is in today, they dont know what theyre talking about

Do you know how IQ testing works? It is done with raven matrices. They work off of ones critical thinking abilities void of the academics. Blacks consistently fall to the left of the bell curve in global IQ testing when compared to all other races.

Blacks also have higher testosterone levels than any other race.

The race with the lowest IQ has also the highest level of testosterone which also has the highest crime rates per capita by almost all metrics of crime.

Coincidence? Ya probably in your world.

Pitbulls account for 51% of all dogbites recorded in the US yearly from a study done in 2009 even though there are over 300+ breeds in the US. Do you believe this is coincidence as well and that they are just a product of bad upbringing and culture?

We are different species.

Some are small, tall, dark and light. Some are faster, slower. It is pretty ignorant not to entertain the idea that biologically we are diverse when it comes to innate qualities and brain capacity.

It was an interview, not a debate, you autist

i am entertaining the idea.
Is it not also true though, that for the average white man being manly and or aggressive is constantly discouraged, whereas in 'black culture' it is encouraged? That could have something to do with testosterone levels.
The claim that we're different species is just blatantly false.
You could argue for genetic differences, and to what extent they cause behavioral differences, but if you think we are different species, you do not know anything about biology.

ye i agree without the west africa would be more of a shit hole than it is now.