>Who wants a Medicare-for-all system? A plurality of Republicans, apparently.
>An Economist/YouGov survey shows 46 percent of the party in favor of "expanding Medicare to provide health insurance to every American." Just 38 percent are opposed.
>This comes on the heels of a January Pew poll where 30 percent of Republicans agreed that the government has a responsibility "to make sure all Americans have health coverage." That looked like a pretty high number at the time, but the Economist/YouGov results make it seem small.
>If you were alert, you could see this sentiment building for a while. About a year ago, a Gallup Poll suggested that 41 percent of the GOP liked the idea of replacing Obamacare with federally funded universal health care. That number was probably inflated by people willing to endorse anything framed as an alternative to Obamacare, but you can't say that about this year's results.
Oliver Young
Because it makes the most sense. Add a tax across the board and everyone has healthcare.
Adam Martin
Because after the disaster that was the AHCA, Republicans realize that Medicare For All is the only viable replacement that won't leave them worse off than they are now.
Going back to pre-Obamacare will reintroduce things like preexisting condition policies which will only benefit the rich, while everyone else is toast.
Jeremiah Myers
Because I'm not rich and I don't want to be rejected for having a pre-existing condition.
Joseph Taylor
Because they're coming to realize that they probably aren't temporarily embarrassed millionaires after all.
Charles Lewis
Because based Bernie had been busy reaching out to blue-collar GOP voters and educating them on universal healthcare, and helping them break free of the decades of corporatist "what's best for the rich is best for all" propaganda they've been spoonfed by Fox News and friends.
This is completely unlike the DNC snobs who actively refuse to reach out a hand and connect to them.
Jonathan Hughes
If Trump signs universal healthcare into law, it would be an easy reelection.
Now if only Trump himself would realize this.
Carter Taylor
Does Sup Forums support universal healthcare?
Jaxon Hernandez
>repeal and replace it with something much better >medicare for all I dont like this idea.
Wyatt Ramirez
because we live in a post constitutional society and virtually the entire country benefits from multiple welfare programs
it is literally impossible for people to see the unseen now
>muh preexisting conditions literally an incoherent buzz statement when it comes to insurance. The entire concept of insurance is to hedge your bet against the future
government destroyed insurance and healthcare, and now government is providing the """solution""" to insurance and healthcare
Levi Ortiz
Can you think of a better system that will cover every American?
Adam Lopez
>if trump acts like a leftist, leftists will like him >if only trump and others would realize that being a leftist is the best way to be a republican the fucking irony when this was literally the chief complaint against the republican party
just fucking lmao
Isaac Campbell
Because we're over the (((American dream))) lie.
Camden White
I dont care about every american. I care about what is good for me
Hunter Rogers
the american dream meme was destroyed by leftists trying to implement it, not because it didn't exist >everyone should own a house
James Martinez
You have to (((work))) for your living, goy!
William Johnson
Just admit that Obamacare was bad but necessary.
Adam Price
are you under the impression animals just killed themselves in front of prehistoric humans you fucking dipstick?
Camden Walker
>which will only benefit the rich >my mind is so warped by leftist ideology I make negative inferences from reality
>letting investment exist again will only benefit the rich, while everyone else is toast literally a mental illness
William Morales
We do not live in prehistory. The majority of jobs are going to be automated very soon and a lot of people will no longer have the means to earn a living.
Chase Cox
you are uironicaly right
bummer that socialism is a dirty word in the US
Jace Turner
lol dumbasses. the republican party only exists today because of racist whites who started voting republican because they hate brown people. how the hell did this country go from electing FDR and Lyndon Johnson in huge landslides to Reagan and Trump?
Luke Cruz
i don't need or want health insurance and i am sure as hell not to going to pay more in taxes so some worthless fuck can live.
it's a no from me
Camden Ortiz
>we do not live in prehistory relative to your fantastical world we still do >are going to be automated very soon and still aren't >people will no longer have the means to earn a living while I fully expect basic income to be implemented, I disagree with you premise. With the infinitely reduced costs of living, etc. the jobs necessary to produce "a living" will also be infinitely reduced.
The evidence is the state of current society. It is entirely possible to live off of a single day of work or a few odd jobs if you are willing to forgo *some* luxuries. More and more frivolous ways to make money are coming into existence. For instance, streaming for money couldn't exist 50 years ago, even if the technology was there, all else equal.
Further, I would argue that the existence of various dependency sources combined with regulation has dulled any industrious pursuit for the lower class.
Essentially, if things become ridiculously cheap in the future, my disposable income will have gone up, which means I can spend on more inane shit. This also includes charity.
Noah Allen
so it's obama's fault for passing some sort of relief for the 30 million americans without health insurance even though the republicans demonized him for it and obstructed his plans for a public option?
Isaiah Garcia
>nobody addressing the inevitable consequences of bringing "living" closer and closer to being free
>when we have a case study in African society being destroyed by donations
Parker Roberts
>republicans democrats had a super majority did they not? republicans won the next elections because of Obamacare did they not? >relief for 30 millions americans why don't leftists debate certain terms? They debate in abstract premises that are pseudo moral so you can't disagree
tomorrow, we could destroy apple and sell off its assets and give that money to 30 millions americans, does that make it not fucking retarded somehow? as if (supposedly) helping people is innately and unquestionably a good thing?
fucking kill yourself
Oliver Green
>doesn't need or want health insurance
go away little baby
Connor Edwards
Because "muh free market" isn't a conservative position.
Zachary Flores
This is the price of diversity. America will never get free healthcare because everyone knows white would be disproportionately paying for niggers to sit around and breed more
Luis Richardson
I wouldn't be opposed to Medicare-for-all, so long as it's not more expensive than what I pay now (which is about 10% of my income), and if I can cash out my HSA
Lucas Diaz
Your grasp on American history is sad
Dylan Wright
>i don't need or want health insurance You sure about that?
Anthony Perry
lmao, the reason """free""" healthcare is even within the scope of debate in this country is the vast hordes of shitskins that have zero foresight
Gavin Bennett
>Bernie "the wage gap is real and whites need to apologize for slavery" sanders
Zachary Hill
I thought that becaus i was in my 29s i didnt need insurance. Then i got testicle cancer, luckily i had good insurance. Your health is worth paying for
Sebastian Barnes
>educating them you mean lying, omitting the truth, and being genuinely ignorant about the causes of the current condition and the truth of the foreign systems, then imparting this poison "wisdom" unto others >unlike the DNC snobs bernie is a cuck for the DNC, didn't you watch the election dr. tremendous faggot?
Brandon Peterson
>luckily I had insurance >things niggers and retards will never say, and the foundation for why we have a problem to begin with
Nicholas Roberts
Lol they just dont pay. Goes into collections and white people like me who paid the bill are the ones subsidizing them.
Carter Stewart
they're transforming into national socialists and it's beautiful
Camden Bailey
Exactly. Socialists are idiots who shoot themselves in the foot over gay ideological shit. A pure white nation found have 100% socialism and do fine. But leftists are ideologue cultists instead of practical problem solvers, so they are easily led into defending bourgeois policies like open borders and one-worldism.
Justin Cooper
Yeah, Bernie's a faggot Jew too.
The only legitimate socialism is white supremacist socialism. And funny enough it's the only socialism that would have even a small chance of being implemented.
Jacob Long
>have 100% socialism no, that's an impossibility. Unless you're prepared to solve Mises' price calculation problem then fuck off and die
socialism is a cancer and can work in white society DESPITE being complete garbage
Jason Foster
Obamacare passed with a record 0 Republican votes in the House and Senate. Democrats quite literally got everything they wanted and there is no way to blame Republican's for this disaster. No discussion was allowed on the bill and the bill was passed without even enough time given to read it.
Lucas Allen
This. People keep bitching about not wanting to pay for lazy shitskins healthcare without realizing they already are. These people without insurance wait until they're very ill and go into emergency rooms and then skip out on the bill. Driving up the price of healthcare for those who actually do pay for it. We already have the highest spending on healthcare for a shitty system, single payer would allow more people to get actual preventative care and drive down overall costs.
Luis Johnson
Illegals bean niggers are part of the problem. We should kill them
Leo Gutierrez
w-what? what happens if you go into an elevator with the robot?
William Phillips
Who's denying that? The only thing that made any sense was that you have to force everyone in to make insurance companies accept pre existing conditions. The fact that human healthcare is majority ran for profit is in contrast of healthcare itself.
William Nguyen
What's the appropriate amount? Bernie came up with 7%. That's insane.
Michael Lee
>the only thing that made any sense was forcing coverage of pre existing conditions why does that make sense? >the fact that healthcare is ran for profit is in contrast to healthcare itself why does that make sense?
Aiden Mitchell
Tricky Dick Nixon was for universal healthcare.
Josiah Jackson
No shit. The GOP base is now a national socialist base after Trump's win, not the cuckservatives and free market dicksuckers. Those agendas only appeal to old people and billionaire fat cats. The tide is changing and has been.
Jordan Evans
>old people are not still completely in control of politics in this country apart from the rest of your stupid larping this is the dumbest part of the post
Logan Reyes
I said majority ran for profit. For profit hospitals and insurance companies still exist in countries with nationalised healthcare.
Thomas Phillips
Yes
Julian Anderson
That's not what I was disputing. Why is it that any of it for profit is "in contrast of healthcare itself"
are you under the impression that labor and resources are free?
Juan Mitchell
>Large portion of Sup Forums worship Hitler and claim to be National Socialists or civic nationalists >Yet lose their shit when policies aimed at promoting the welfare of all citizens are proposed and bitch about muh welfare state and free markets
Gavin King
>large portion it's almost like there's another large portion that opposes things like welfare states and free markets >natsoc retards in charge of deductive reasoning
Jace Barnes
I'm not.
It comes down to how you define healthcare. Is it the needs of the patient, or the needs of the patient if it's worth it? For example, if all healthcare was ran for profit.. why would cancer care exist? A patient has a 50/50 chance to survive, so why should a hospital gamble on the parient's ability to pay, especially when insurance companies get to dictate how much they will cover.
David Wright
the needs of the patient are potentially infinite >why should a hospital gamble? are you implying a hospital should do absolutely everything possible in order to extend somebody's life? do you understand what that implies?
Lincoln Rogers
That is the current healthcare model the world follows. It doesn't matter how I personally feel about it.
By gamble, I'm saying if a patient is diagnosed with cancer and has a 50% chance of surviving.. why should a hospital even try chemotherapy and surgery if they can't guarantee the ability to pay?
A full for profit model would result in probably 10% of patients being shown the door because of their income.
Justin Cooper
>by gamble im saying you're lacking a point >a full for profit model would result in 10% of patients only insofar as they can't afford whatever above their insurance for extra care
socialized medicine does the same cost benefit analysis because it has nothing to do with profit and everything to do with the reality of scarcity
what is your point anyway?
Luke Allen
People realize that muh free market economy also means immigrant labor.