This is a thread for the discussion of left wing anarchism, the theory of statless communism. Anarchists hold that capitalism and the state are inextricably linked and that to get rid of one you need to get rid of the other, they therefore advocate the immediate abolition of the state and the transferal of power to democratic unions or councils, alonside the abolition of private property, meaning that anarchists support the democratic control of resources by the community. They wish for goods to be produced for need, rather than for profit.
The abolition of private property is NOT taking away your home, toothbrush or television, the abolition of private property is the abolition of that relationship which allows one to profit from the labour of another, the abolition of the private owner, the usurer the banker, the rentier, the factory owner etc. In place of these, the community will own the housing and provide it rent free, the workers will control the factory democratically and its profits will go to them not the owner, etc. Anarchists make a distinction between personal property (home, television, a thing that you are using and whose value would be depleted were it to be used by somebody else, i.e a home is of no use to you if you might go back and find your bed with somebody else in it) and private property (when you charge another for the use of something you are not using (for example, I have my house, and you work every day to pay me to live in my second or third house).
Anarchism is distinct from Marxism in that Marxist believe the state should be seized and used to create communism, whereas anarchists believe communism can only be achieved after the abolition of the state, though there are libertarian Marxists who have considerable overlap with anarchism, the council communists and autonomists etc.
Anarchist Societies have existed in Spain (George Orwell fought alongisde anarchists here) Ukraine, (Nestor Mahknos army successfully defeated the Ukrainian ruling class only to be betrayed by the USSR) Chiapas, and Rojava (Currently fighting ISIS).
The fundamental anarchist belief is that the people should be in control of their own destiny. Ultimately, whatever happens to the community is decided directly by the community and none in that community have any special status so that their input or power can corrupt the willl of the community.
Anarchism goes beyond nationalism. Nationalism seeks to unite man behind the nation, but man has never lived with his nation, man has always lived with his community, his family, his colleugues, his friends, the people who provide him services, these are the people man shares bonds of trust with, this are the people man shares culture with. Anarchism seeks to unite man where capitalism has pushed him apart from his fellows, anarchism is pro community and pro community not by entrusting the fate of the community in the hands of a centralised state, but by putting the community in the direct control of the people.
Throughout history anarchist regions have been far less violent than their capitalist, socialist or facist neighbours, notwithstanding that yes, like every system, they have comitted some violence. Crucially, none of the main Anarchist regions in history collapsed from within, they all went from strength to strength until crushed by much larger enemies, (i.e the USSR or Franco/Germany/Italy)
(his book, Debt: The First 5000 Years, is in my opinion the most imporant book of the last 500 years, describing in detail the world debt economy and its history)
I come here in good faith, I don't aim to be a smug liberal, I aim to teach about the historical position of anarchism, I believe it is much unnotticed by pol, but shares many similar beliefs with pol, most notably hatred of Bankers (which even at points runs into hatred of jews, Bakunin and Proudhon in particular) and a love of strong community. Please ask any questions/ make any points for or against.
Leo Nguyen
You have your own containment board on 8ch, so please go there.
Pls sage guys.
Landon Fisher
AnCom requires coercion, get fucked commie.
Joshua Rivera
How does your ideology deal with people who desire to create a state?
Daniel Ramirez
this is a board for politically incorrect ideologies. Anarchist Communism is certainly one of those.
Thomas Smith
IF you're going to be an an, why not be an ancap? Ancom is a fucking fantasy.
Jeremiah Howard
Anarchists who fight on behalf of communism are moronic cucks
Ian Robinson
In Catalonia they actually worked with the state during the war, though they retained their principles of self management in the work place and so on.
In the hypothetical situation however, I would first ask, under what circumstance members of society are trying to create a state and why are they doing so and with what land and resources. I see no reason why a certain section could not decide to be governed more centrally if that was the populations wish. Provided that section did not mean take lands away from other sections of people who did not want this. I can't image why they would want to however, indeed as my post says, anarchist societies tend to be extremely stable internally and produce great loyalty and a certain form of patriotism, they have been crushed from the outside every single time, from Spain to Korea. Rojava is unique in that it has managed to last a long time, though its enemies have not been so great.
But anyway, hypothetical, you are part of an anarchist collective and you get to decide all the things that happen in your workplace and community by vote and you don't have a boss taking the biggest cut of the spoils and you don't have a central state breathing down your neck and messing things up. What is the state for now?
