Trump moving to remove national monuments

Can any of you defend this shit?

Trump will reportedly sign an executive order to review all the national monument designations since 1996. The intent here is clear: he wants them gone.

I can't think of a more treasonous, more un-American action than removing these valuable lands from public ownership. I'm seething with rage right now. I didn't think it was possible for me to feel this much hate for another human being, but I also didn't think it was possible someone could be so dismissive of the value of our great nation.

Teddy Roosevelt is rolling in his fucking grave.

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ban the loo

youtube.com/watch?v=je7Rm10krBI

fucking what

>implying anyone but a literal retard actually believes he's doing good for America anymore

The people who still support him ARE literal retards though

>trump reviews law that allows presidents to unopposed make land, federal land, and ensures that other national monuments meet the criteria for what is a national monument.

Basically making it so the government can't just say, this land is now government property, residents please go.

>We want Trump to bring down the national debt
>Starts by cutting funding to biggest consumers of debt
>Drumpf is betraying us

Also, 'muh Science'

Underwater tag amirite guise? XD

>biggest consumers of debt
>implying the national park service is the biggest consumer of debt
>implying DoI is the biggest consumer of debt

Are you fucking kidding me? DoI is one of the most underfunded departments in the entire fucking government.

that's a severe misrepresentation of the antiquities act. It isn't just straight imminent domain

You mad libtard? The God Emperor will free up the land so something better can be built, that's capitalism, deal with it gommie

that's retarded though. None of these things consume a penny in comparison to the extravagant defence funding.

This is why I always get pissed when conservatives say they're cutting funding to artists or broadcasters to save money. Bullshit. The same governments would give 100x the budget of national broadcasters to fossil fuel or defence corporations without a second thought. They want to kill public broadcasters and artists because they help keep the public informed.

>treasonous

You really don't know what that means?

There are all sorts of national monuments that probably shouldn't be, if revfederal goverbemtb can just declare land a national monument that means they have the power basically to confiscate whatever land they want

It's a massive abuse/potential abuse of power.

Lefties are so dumb trump voluntarily reducing federal power is now treason to them.

Jesus lord save us from this insanity

Wtf I hate Blimpf now.

Dont worry guys, He's just gona get rid of your history and monuments in public places to create chess venues, so then every single one of his supporters can play 3d chess 24/7 before realizing they were tricked and bloying their brains out

The government as a whole is the biggest consumer of debt. Pinching pennies from various departments and reallocating funds is the only way to get this accomplished without spending more money.

Because the jews are telling him to.

>Yes let's destroy all of our beautiful natural monuments and parks to build strip malls and polluted urban sprawl.

Libertarians need to be gassed.

I voted for Trump, but apparently I'm missing something with why I'm supposed to hate him now.
Can someone give me a
>quick rundown

eminent* domain
If you're going to bump these shitty slide threads at least know what you're fucking talking about.
sage

It's treason because these monuments are what makes the United States of America the United States of America. These monuments protect lands that will be around for millennia after any of us keel over. It's what soldiers bleed and die for to protect. The United States doesn't exist without the land it sits on.

And abuse of power? Really? This is the unilateral decision you choose to pick out as abuse of power? The US hasn't declared war since World War II, yet how many American soldiers have died over seas since then? The Antiquities Act is about protecting America in America, and it's far from abuse of power.

When 400+ national parks isn't enough

59 national parks*

This hyperbolic nonsense

A national monument is not a national park. A national monument can be like a random building, square or field. Telling the department of interior to review all the national monuments to make sure they are worthy of that status is hardly "destroying our monuments and parks"

There is a good argument to say there should be no national parks at all. But I know you'd get all emotional about it so what's the point

>le federal government stealing land is what soldiers die for
>muh vets!!

I was under the impression vets joined to protect the nation, its people and it's laws not ceasar Chavez's childhood farmhouse

>Can any of you defend this shit?
The federal government does not have the constitutional authority to establish national parks. That being said I do like the parks. State's rights I guess? Trump is a shabbos goy now so Sup Forums's defense of him is not as strong as it once was.

you don't understand, they can just call a whole region of land a "national monument" whether it's justified or not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papahānaumokuākea_Marine_National_Monument

A fucking leaf
>captcha: Maple Voltaire

Those are "protected lands"

>Not cutting all foreign aid especially aid to Israel
Pg wait hes a kike shill

>just declare land a national monument that means they have the power basically to confiscate whatever land they want
They already CAN do that without the antiquities act. Selling off the national parks won't change that.
Also, he's the POTUS, NOT the congress.
He can't changes laws.
This isn't about legislative reform, it's about him selling off our national heritage as raw real estate.

I want that, but the jews still have control

You're a gook or a kike. All real white men love nature.

"national monuments" were a scam in the first place to fix land prices, Trump is doing the right thing here.

My guess is that Trump has one or two that he feels were misdesignated and is trying to get them repealed.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papahānaumokuākea_Marine_National_Monument

Why is this the monument you picked out? This is totally justified by it's natural and cultural value, and it's not hurting anyone by being there. Fucking Bush Jr even protected the damn thing.

Before I will believe a word of this I will require one specific national monument that is being sold for private development.

Shitlibs ran this same exact agitprop during GW Bush, yet couldn't name any actual place that was being sold.
Also
>sltrib.com

What's wrong with giant defense budgets?

The governments only inherent duty is to protects its citizens. A giant defense budget is the only place where I think government spending is actually justified.

You have a problem with reading comprehension

Also the federal government arguably doesn't have the power to do such a thing if white men love nature why don't they make their own private nature reserves?

Do you know why there aren't any examples of national monuments being sold?

I'll give you a minute.

It's because they're fucking national monuments. They can't be sold. They're national monuments.

I didn't think it was possible for someone to be this retarded.

I agree that protecting that area is justified, but Obama made it 4x larger because environmentalism. the point is that a huge region can be designated a "national monument" on a whim. therefore, reviewing and auditing those decisions is justified.

>Pinching pennies from various departments and reallocating funds is the only way to get this accomplished
Well we _could_ skip the extra billion dollars a week he wants to throw at the world's biggest military (especially since they aren't even asking for a budget increase).
Or, you know, we could skip spending umpteen billion for a white elephant of a border wall.
Or maybe we could institute a capital-gains estate carryover to keep billionaires from not paying capital gains on inherited investments when they sell them.
Any of these plans could have more impact then completely eliminating the DOI's $13.1B annual budget.
His proposed military budget increase alone is 4 times as big as the entire DOI budget.

This better not be true. Wtf would be the justification for this. I will lose my fucking shit!

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>Since 1996
>#NotAllMonuments

I bet the libs had a bunch of shitty libtard things declared a national monument, like some bench that Rosa Parks lots her bladder on or some shit.

I'll look at the list and see.

You can't just look at it without considering intent. Trump has fossil fuel interest groups screaming in his ear 24/7. These people propelled him into the presidency. He owes them.

I think it's pretty clear that he wants these monuments removed for mining and fracking and shit. He's not ordering a review because he's concerned about abuse of power. The dude is a proponent of eminent domain (ex. border wall). He's just a slave to big oil and big coal, which most certainly aren't the future of energy production.

The justification is that national parks are not constitutional

No. That's not clear at all. Stop.

>Not knowing that authorities work with Mexican drug cartels
Drain the swamp
>White elephant
What?

There's a level in Halo that looks like this. Was it Reach or H5?

You're just uninformed. Designating areas to be national monuments is one of the ways the left has been snatching up private land and making sure the US Gubmint owns most of the country. This needs to be reviewed. Obama himself confiscated shit-tons of land during his last month in office. You're probably a shill now that I think about it, so fuck you and your mother.Cool pic btw.

that's one way of reading into this, but I don't automatically assume the worst when it comes to Trump. the fact is, Obama was very generous in expanding national monument territory, and this puts natural resources off-limits from productive uses (fishing, ranching, mining, etc.). national monuments can be justified, but it's also something that can be used to excess as a loophole.

Trump isn't trying to destroy Yellowstone, he's just reviewing these designations, and perhaps reconfiguring them to something more reasonable.

He's not going to bomb them, you dumb fuck.

>Obama made it 4x larger because environmentalism. t
Oh, OK, If he did it to make America a better, healthier place to live, them fuck 'em.
Real patriots don't need clean air or water.
...fucking 'tard.

I really don't like that. Bad optics for him too. Our National Parks and monuments are wonderful and beautiful.

The national parks cost little money and create: Park jobs, Tourist jobs, service industry jobs, advertising for the local government, and scientists.
Not to mention it also helps clean up the environment, and is prudent for a healthy local ecosystem.

Sources please.
I will try googling all of this but I want sources.

This.

NO MORE GOVT LAND GRAB

OBAMA HAS GRABBED MORE THAN ALL PRESIDENTS COMBINED

>thinking of everything as a right or wrong duality
>if trump is reviewing the validity of some national monuments it means he is destroy the enviroment
>if you don't sperg out against this basic review it means you support poisoned rivers and pollution

How do people like you make it through the day without having a panic attack or mental breakdown

Get your life sorted

there are so many jobless lawyers in this retard country

surely we can impeach him if we mobilize all the unemployable JD's (everyone except the top 10% of harvard law grads)

what are you not comprehending? setting aside some of that territory is justified, but closing the majority of Hawaiian waters to commercial fishing might be overdoing it.

clean air and water is valuable, so is biodiversity, so is cultural heritage. we can have those things without excessive gov't land grabs, which they get away with because tards like you hear "national monument" and don't consider what's really happening.

>The intent here is clear: he wants them gone.

FUCK THEM
WHAT GOOD THEY EVER DID TO THE USA

>The justification is that national parks are not constitutional
Why do Trumptards spend so much effort and invent so much bullshit justifying his actions?
He was never a state's rights guy. Not one mention of the tenth amendment in the whole campaign.
Stop making shit up.
His justification is he thinks he's the owner/ceo of America now, and can do anything he wants, and fuck anybody that doesn't like it.

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What happened to all the winning?

When 500,000 nigger infested strip malls isn't enough.

Natural parks keep the niggers at bay. Though they are chink magnets.

>FUCKING THIS

It's almost like industries built on outdoor recreation don't matter.

I agree that there are some dumb rules with some national lands, like bans on fishing and hunting in some places. But changing that doesn't require changing the land designation itself.

Well, I can see why if you look at the list.

Clinton grabbed a ton of land between Jan 1, 2000 and Bush's inauguration. Clinton established close to 20 monuments, taking 100's of thousands of acres.

Obama did the same damn thing right before Trump was inaugurated. The same amount 20, but less acreage.
Obama made Stonewall, some gay holy site, a monument and some feminist thing. Links to the monuments post 1996 aren't working now. I bet there are complete shit reasons to make these protected lands.

ITT people that can't spot obvious chess moves

But why should the taxpayers subsidize leftist douchebaggery? Even if it's cheap?

There is no justification for national parks in the constitution I would argue the whole system could and possibly should be abolished as an abuse of power

Also states rights don't exsist, people of rights states have power granted to them by the people who live there.

I'm sorry you are so hysterical that you have a manic episode from the president reviewing some national monuments (once again not national parks)

>I will try googling all of this but I want sources.
Google should suffice.
Youtube should have all the campaign promises, and half the broken promise parts can be found in his own Twitter posts.

This was prompted by governors in various states who asked Trump to review the monuments due to Obama using the antiquities act to create large swaths of land untouchable, for environmental reasons rather than historical.

>muh monuments

The parks the only pieces worth protecting you fags.

we don't have to change the rules, we should change how nat'l monuments are designated.

of course it sounds great, protect the environment and cultural heritage, create natural parks, who's against that? but it's a loophole that allows excessive land grabs, which no one can oppose without a knee-jerk reaction from people thinking you want to convert everything into strip malls.

again, it's one of the government's loopholes, and it should be reviewed.

Then how come he's telling all the people's homes being destroyed for Keystone XL and the border wall to go fuck themselves?

Its Canadian oil getting shipped through the refinedto a diesel, and shipped to Africa because the fuel is too shitty to legally burn in the United Stated.
Doesn't sound like something being done because he gives a shit about you.

100 people lose their homes, 3 people makes some extra millions, and we get to clean up its leaks. But we won't increase taxes, so we'll just cut education and food stamps because socialism is ruining our country.

>Sup Forums complains about the lack of nationalism in the US
>proceeds to defend the defend the destruction of cultural heritage

Let's ASSUME you are right that it's an abuse of power, which it isn't.

Do you not care about what will happen to that land? Do you not care about the industries that will fall apart because of it? The towns built on tourism to those lands? The people that rely on them for food and water?

Have you any care for the consequences? Are you that rooted to your principles?

>these shills still haven't realized that once they've finished their daily DRUMPF circlejerk that things will go back to normal and they've changed no minds

>>if trump is reviewing the validity of some national monuments it means he is destroy the enviroment
You moved the goalposts so far I can't even follow how you built that strawman.
Some user said the expansion was unjustified because it only made the environment better.
I was ridiculing his absurd statement, not saying anything like your absurd strawman-quote.

>Homeland eats up $80 billion a year
>The U.S defense budget eats up a whopping $867 billion a year on average for the last fifteen years and needs to be increased
>The majority of U.S billionaires have their havens in Panama and Atlantic islands to avoid paying the lions share of taxes in a time of immoral capitalism running more rampant than ever
>But we need to cut the National Parks during a time where tourists complain that there is fuck all to see while driving across the U.S.A

So, since 1996 40+ monuments were created.

Both Clinton and Obama declared 20 sites as national monuments in the last two months of their terms.

Kind of like the Midnight Appointments of John Adams, but with land.

In Obama's case, a few of the sites were gay and feminist related sites.

>Stonewall
Do we really need 0.12 of an acre of federally protected land dedicated to the memory of when some fags were arrested at a bar?

Right, because we need the government to control our lives and land since the masses are too ignorant to govern themselves.

Jew have to go back

All those homes being destroyed?

Which ones?

Land grabs?

Lots of people have residences in national parks, the only difference is that the land is re-leased from the forest service every few years and you can't live in it for the whole year, but its still a house with value that you can sell for personal money.

All national parks do is stop mining and regulate hunting

Good; the government shouldn't be allowed to confiscate land from the public for such a vague reason as "conservation" or designating a national park, anyways.

>Can any of you defend this shit?

You're obviously trolling, but sure.

Obama, on his way out, made a questionable national monument designation intended to frustrate mining interests. A number of groups have called for a review, because they feel it's unfair that the president can just wave his hand and take land off the market without consulting states or even house or senate members from those states.

Trump is ordering a review of that designation, as well as all designations since the mid-1990s.

It's a whole lot of "So what?"

Wtf I hate eminem domain now

Monuments aren't the same as National Parks.

If they are big enough and deserving if the status of a park, Congress can vote to make it one, but some of the monuments are just buildings.

A fucking plaque on the street will do.

reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-keystone-insight-idUSKBN17L2HK

Nothing to see in America... Wtf

You are assuming so much out of national monuments, national monuments can be something as small as a building or park nobody is relying on them for water, you can't even hunt, farm or dig a well in a national park.

You are upset and you don't even know why, like a child.

That's what you stated in your post

>treasonous
Really makes you wonder how retarded you people are

>strip malls
You realize these are all closing down, right? Time to find a new boogeyman. Maybe Walmart again since you guys are just dusting off your 2003 moveon.org talking points

>get above market value for sale/lease of your property for a pipeline
>if you don't they'll just go around you

>this is bad

Also how is this specifically trumps fault this is what happens literally every day for infrastructure?

>literal fake news

>hur dur fuck drmupg

So if a building has significant cultural value, why should it not be protected? This is about preserving American history and culture, faggot.

>There is no justification for national parks in the constitution
There's no specific justification for most government agencies.
But there's nothing prohibiting them from buying land, with or without eminent domain.

>Also states rights don't exsist,
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But thanks for proving my point. You're giving us YOUR justification for Trump's actions, not HIS.
Just because you're just as out of touch with reality as him doesn't mean your bullshit is the same as his bullshit.

last year the military spend 2 million dollars on fire wood

and no one in the pentigon has an invoice for the spending, they have the habit of writing checks and not caring what happens to the money.

This right here. I love and use our national parks and forests much more then your average normie. However anyone paying attention should be aware how these are being used to persecute rural white folks who made their livings off the land for generations. Look in any enviro activists wish list and it includes partitioning off huge areas of pretty marginal land as monuments. Like siskyou county California. Closing off huge areas of ocean to fishing by our own non existent fleets while the chinks pillage that shit. The process in general It really has been abused