Zimbabwe/Rhodesia

Was the country better off under colonial rule and if so why? Also how has land reforms affected the country as a whole? And why would Mugabe push out white farmers who were the main source of the agricultural production in the country? How has the country faired so far?
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cause mugabe is black and therefore fucking stupid now they are starving

>Was the country better off under colonial rule and if so why?

No. Esoteric mushroom farming was in the dark ages until the end of Rhodesia. It's now coming back, slowly, with the help of coffee grounds.

go on

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#1 No independent Rhodesia was better of.
You're American and you should understand that.
#2 He's a communist nigger.

why was independent Rhodesia better tho????

This is now a Rhodesia memorial thread.

The blacks lived in their tribes as always, and was not interfered by the white colonists.
The white colonists created a civilisation, and it there was peace until the blacks decided that all the colonists had created was theirs.

I know that Zimbabwe is now starving because Mugabe kicked out all the white farmers and took their land, the blacks don't know/practice the same farming techniques as the whites did, so they starve, SAD!

1. Yes it was economicaly better off for all races under white minority rule. The whites ran large farms, which in turn gave them the ability to do commercial tobacco farming (among other crops), which gave the country an import /export plus. This meant that everyone profited, the white farmer and the african farmhands.

2. The land reforms is basicaly like this:
>Mr. Smith has two sons and 1000 acres. The farm is passed down as a single enterprise that they both work on.

>Mr. Mbouto has three sons and once they are adults they get 1/4th of his 1000 acres each.

> You now have 4 farms of 250 acres each

> Mr. Mbouto's sons have 2 sons each and they get 1/3 of their fathers land each.

> Now the farms are so small that they can only produce enough for the farmers to eat themselves, and leave nothing surplus for sales.

> congratulations, you have now gone back 300 years before capitalism started, and your country is fucked economicaly.

3. Mugabe had to quell his supporters, who were mostly in the rural areas, with giving them free land, lest they'd oust him in a coup.

4. Rhodesia is no more, and Zimbabwe is a backwater country that only survives on charity and the few white people that are left.

Ah I see so it was niggatry, that eventually led to this nation's downfall

No taxes? That wasn't the reason though. The British government wanted to 'decolonize' the county which would have meant a completely incompetent black majority government.
They 'illegally' declared independence because they didn't agree with the conditions under which the Brits wanted to give it.

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on an unrelated note, loving the Rhodesia memorial shit

Well the white Rhodesians really shot themselves in the foot when they allowed Blacks to vote

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Yes, the dreaded "rush to leave africa" back in the 60's.

"On the other hand, there would be no mad rush into one man, one vote with all the resultant corruption, nepotism, chaos and economic disaster which we had witnessed in all the countries around us." - Sir Ian Smith

>was zimbabwe, a shining beacon of development under white people, better than the shithole it is now where people can't even afford to eat literal dirt?

FTFY

If mugabe is so stupid how did he manage to take over a country (and still is in power)?

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liberal white people with white guilt

The thing that really, REALLY fucked Zimbabwe was mugabe giving in to his fucking retarded ex army buddies and putting through a retarded ex land reform that turned a system based around large scale commercial farms that create a surplus that were ran like businesses, to farms organized around hereditary lines which quickly insured most became either to small or too mismanaged because of refocusing on producing for a family to sustain commercialism
Of course it didn't help that he kicked out the white farmers and they took most of their experienced staff with them

The Ideal state for Zimbabwe was Rhodesia-Zimbabwe, the state it was in briefly after the end of the bush war before Britain and other countries insisted that the ZANU be allowed to take part in elections

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Because every other nigger there is somehow astronomically more ignorant than he is?

He killed his opponents, ordered a genocide on his rival tribe the Ndebeles.

He was quite smart at removing his opponents, and Britain was in a hurry to leave so they basicaly just gave the country to him.

Yes they were. Why? Easy, just look at the starvation caused by taking away farmland run by whites there, and how their president is begging for help

Sovjet and China was supporting them, now they can (maintain) the land because they suck on the leftovers that the white people left.

They where always allowed to vote.

He was Soviet funded, supported by most Western counties and had strength in numbers.

It never had enough whites. At its peak it had around 300 thousand. The blacks were always going to outbreed them in the end.

This is now a thread to honor one of the greatest men who ever lived, Sir Ian Douglas Smith

as OP I support this idea, good discussion tho

After the bush war ended Zimbabwe was briefly in a state were ZANU weren't in control but universal franchise had been enacted, called Rhodesia-Zimbabwe this was supported by the majority of blacks and whites because it fixed a number of the social issues plaguing the country, kept things more or less the same as they had been before economically, and ended the war
But various powerful international countries insisted that this wasn't enough and demanded that the ZANU (Mugabe's communist army) be allowed to take part and the government was forced to call new elections, he then used his army to intimidate voters in order to tip the election in his favor, he then got busy commie'ng the place up but relented after 6? (I can't remember exactly) years

How many white South Africans is redpilled, and do you have a chance?

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Close. They struck a deal that set aside a certain amount of MP seats to the whites for 10 years, which was to expire in 1989, and the day after that Mugabe could do as he pleased.

Brave Sir Smith did what he could, but alas, how can you help people who dont want to be helped?

There's actually quite alot of Rhodies in Norway.

Would any of you take up arms again, if the chance was there or is Africa a lost cause?

Most Rhodesians just left for New-zealand, australia, south africa, Canada, UK etc. There's no going back now.

And africa is not a lost cause, its the next fucking crisis.

isn't there population boom western induced tho? what happens when the West falls to dirty sand niggers and feminism?

>that strange feeling when there is a Rhodesia thread
Makes me so sad.

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Makes me sad aswell bruv.

>implying africa will be able to sustain its demographic growth after the collapse of the West
>implying African population won't go back to stone age level once the food and medicine stops coming

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Liberals tell blacks that they are as good as white. And blacks are so dumb, they believe it. Here is your problem.

Then blacks start dying of starvation and liberals feel good cause they can now start sending a little bit of food to the poor, poor nigs and feel moraly superior.

HOGARTH HUGHES???!!?!?

Great film, made me lol as a kid