>We’ve gotten smoking out of bars and restaurants on the basis of the fact that you and I and other nonsmokers don’t want to die,” said Silvestri. “The reality is, we probably won’t.”
>Conclusions: The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.
If second-hand smoke isn't a big deal and if most smokers only die in their 70s, then, why are governments so obsessed about eliminating smoking? What's going on? Shouldn't it be a choice?
Are we being ruled by a bunch of totalitarian puritans?
>smokers cost the NHS anywhere between £3 billion and 6 billion pounds
>(smokers) We know they bring in about £12 billion in direct tax revenues, although that doesn't count other contributions of the tobacco industry to total tax take (for instance income tax paid by employees).
>research has suggested non-smokers have greater healthcare costs over time
So, before anyone complains smokers cost tax-payers a fortune, the truth is they DON'T. If anything, smokers are paying for your healthcare treatment.
There's literally no reason to keep rising taxes on tobacco or to keep persecuting smokers.
Leave us the hell alone, please.
William Miller
Bump
Levi Diaz
Bump 2
Hudson Carter
>Are we being ruled by a bunch of totalitarian puritans?
no, by capitalists and manipulators. they know people will keep doing it and the health thing is a good excuse to raise the taxes AND gain half of the population's support for doing it
Caleb Davis
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Evan Wood
They're not trying to stop it they're trying to tax it, since it's easy money.
Samuel Kelly
who would have guessed the smoke-babies were babies
Adam Long
LOOK, A NON-COUNTRY!
Austin Smith
Dis wht i vape like my girl le pen
Aaron Foster
Why do nationalists smoke?
>LE PEN
>FARAGE
>WILDERS
Logan Ross
Smoking boosts test
It's a Jewish plot
Also >smoking cigs >not smoking pipe tobacco
Kevin Rivera
Vaping is degenerate
Camden Brooks
>Smoking a pipe
M'LADY!
Asher Turner
>Hitchens smoking slide >slide They're not even trying to hide it anymore.
Landon Young
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Jonathan Morales
My ancestors would be dispappointed in me if i was a non smoking pussy.
Jack Watson
Just fucking vape.
Nicotine for stimulation, tasty flavors, you don't smell like a piss covered hobo, and you're not THAT guy acting like a sperglord at the bar with your friends jonesing for a cigarette.
Michael Nguyen
I smoke sometimes but I mostly stick to snuff/snus. Never tried a pipe.
Colton Bell
There's something so adorably American about GLR's corncob pipe.
Kevin Campbell
All jokes aside, pipe tobacco and cigars are GOD TIER.
However, they don't really give you a buzz like ciggies do, unless you inhale ofc.
Camden Phillips
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Brandon Flores
oh shut up inbred island dweller. learn to control your colonies they are getting out of hand
Hunter Peterson
cigarettes are a nasty habit for teenagers trying to be edgy. pipe tobacco or a cigar every once in a while is ideal.
Mason Butler
Hitch was great till he went full neo-con
Brody Foster
You never really do that though right?
Daniel Murphy
This They saw the shitload of revenue marijuana is raking in, so might as well go after people who are already addicted and will pay anything to get their daily nicotine intake. Booze is next.
Nolan Robinson
>There's literally no reason to keep rising taxes on tobacco Yes there is. More tax revenue. I'd like to see more taxes on caffeinated and energy related products like coffee, redbull, 5 hour energy... Gov Brown increased the gas tax here in CA, among other things. Why not increase taxes on everything else. People will continue to smoke, continue to consume gas (electric car owners will pay a battery tax).. we should continue to raise taxes because the sooner the revolution comes the better... income inequality is higher than ever and if they continue to raise taxes people will get angry. Of course nothing seems to get done, we tend to be easily distracted.
Easton Edwards
>STILL A NON-COUNTRY!
Easton Anderson
I've started vaping to stop smoking and even I'm not oblivious to how much of a cunt I look. The other problem is that they're trying to ban vaping in public places the way they have with smoking based on the exact same memes.
Wyatt Wright
I recommend this product. All others I've tried are too perfumery mcchrystals.co.uk
Evan Reed
Yay, this shill thread again. Go die , PM shill.
Ethan Lewis
I have no idea why the (((media))) has been waging a war against the tobacco industry, but I really fucking doubt that public health is the real intention behind this propaganda-fueled hysteria against cigarettes.
Maybe when (((some people))) own big tobacco, "science" will start saying "Tobacco not as bad as previously thought." Who knows what's going on. Very doubtfully a genuine concern for your health, though!
Alexander Evans
Real nationalists don't because they care about their health. Strong citizens make a strong nation.
Cameron Allen
Is this news? It has always been the case there's no evidence to support the view second hand smoke has any effect.
Benjamin Reed
>pipe tobacco and cigars are GOD TIER. No, they aren't, shill, they're shit.
Luis Gonzalez
You're not really supposed to inhale cigars or pipe-tobacco. You're smoking for the flavours which are pretty great desu.
I've been told some cigars and even some pipe tobaccos can give you quite a buzz. I've never experienced it though.
I smoke unfiltered cigarettes when I need to get a nicotine buzz and cigars when I feel like relaxing.
Kayden Rivera
>Of course nothing seems to get done, we tend to be easily distracted.
Bread and circuses. We're in the trap as well, sat here on a Mongolian throat singing forum.
Ayden Walker
I don't disagree that vaping doesn't look fucking stupid. I feel like a fucking asshat and go out of my way to not vape in public. But it sure as shit beats smoking cigarettes.
As far as banning vaping in public places, go for it. I'll just take a few hits in the shitter with nobody being the wiser.
The problem with vaping is the vaping "community". Unfortunately, they're worse than stoners. Just another example of a great thing being ruined by fedoralords.
Dylan Hall
Why does your country hate smokers?
Jack Jones
>Maybe when (((some people))) own big tobacco Are you implying they don't?
John Perez
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Jeremiah Lewis
I don't care if second hand smoking is harmful. I want you disgusting sub-human cattle away from me when you're puffing cause you smell like shit.
Ryder Gonzalez
What makes more money?
Tobacco sales? Or juicer, workout clothing, and organic food sales?
Cooper Butler
TIL providing links to actual studies and wanting to have a discussion on smoking makes you a shill...
Michael Ortiz
Smoking strengthens your lungs and fortifies them against chemtrails and prevents Alzheimers.
Aiden Brown
BIG PHARMA makes a lot of money selling products which help people quit smoking.
I remember reading somewhere that the original second hand smoke studies were done with coulpes that were married at least 40 years with the smoker smoking 2 packs a day. It's so fucking asinine that they are now trying to ban smoking, outside, in the downtown area near me. Like passing someone on the street is anything like being shut in a house for 40 years with someone smoking 2 packs a day.
Ian Diaz
I dunno m8, I don't think it does, it's perfectly fine socially to smoke here.
Robert Campbell
By the way just quit in November. Feel great, it's not as hard as I thought once I got over the hump. But you should be able to make your own choices once you're a taxpaying adult. It's no one elses business.
Asher Myers
>forcing others to pay for your self-induced lung cancer Taxation truly is theft
No one is answering the main question, why are western governments doing everything in their power to completely eliminate smoking. monthly tax hikes, plain-packaging, OUTSIDE bans, etc, etc. WHY?
Surely, it should be a choice?
Jacob Scott
I only lose 8 years? I'm cool with that
Andrew Fisher
>Australians are not responsible for the politicians they elect...
Oliver Diaz
>missing the central point of an explicit statement
Xavier Harris
If they wanted to eliminate smoking they could try by increasing taxes to higher levels. But then there would be illegal traffiking/smuggeling. So they try it this way imo.
Smoking outside is fine. And I don't disagree with letting them have an indoor area for smoking if it's far away and has some kind of exhaust for the smoke and smell.
Nathaniel Johnson
you probably would not die if i chopped off your finger, but I am guessing you probably wouldn't like that. The toxins in ciggerates do measurable damage to the heart, lungs, brain, ability to smell etc.. etc. Death is just the most extreme result.
Ryder Wilson
Are you a for real unironic liberal?
Mason Mitchell
smoking indoors is fucking gross anyways. who the fuck cares?
i smoke and i don't smoke in my room because i don't want my room smelling like total shit.
Brandon Martinez
> I don't see why indoor smoking areas aren't optional.
The smoking ban was never about second-hand smoke. It was always about denormalising smoking.
We're being ruled by a bunch of totalitarian wankers.
mfw the foreigners think smokes are pure tobacco and not a bunch of other crap added in there.
Jaxson Mitchell
What the fuck?! Smoking a cigarette only harms you it's not like drinking in which you can get so fucked up you might hurt someone.
Noah Foster
They JUST changed it in my state last week to 21.
Cooper Bennett
How can puffing om cigars shorten your life that mutch
Ryan Rodriguez
Take that back
Zachary Nguyen
Motherfucker dude!
Nathan Perez
Why do Liberals hate smoking?
It seems like all of the world's anti-smoking legislation originally comes from Commiefornia and other blue states?
Why are American liberals so anti-tobacco?
Zachary Howard
It's not run by (((them)))
Parker Lewis
>(((Hitchens)))
Luke Rivera
It doesn't look lite. You think that's because it's too wet?
Andrew Lee
Did you just /wake up/?
Samuel Taylor
This
All of those are kosher nationalists.
Eli Sanders
I don't want to smell it
Michael Martin
Get fucked. I lived with my whole family (5 people) smoking 2 packs each for every fucking day of my first15 years. Everything tasted like ashes and shit: clothes, carpets, even their fucking hands. Gladly most of them died of lung cancer. Keep your shit away from my nose, get fucked. I went to a shithole club in serbia where smoking indoor is still legal, it was like walking around in a volcano. Couldnt breath, couldnt see shit. Fucking >MATE I CANT HOLD IT NEED TO SMOKE AT EVERY FUCKING TRAIN STOP YOUKNOWHATAMSAYING???? i hate smokers so fucking much. Faggot fedora vapers.atleast produce liquirice or some other flavor vapor, not that shit nasty poisonus petrol crap you love to chug in
Carter Harris
It really doesn't make any sense because the social security system needs people to die at like 65 anyway. Dumb fucks.
Colton Peterson
We all know why he liked cigars...
Levi Adams
Smoking is so fucking gross.
When I see teenagers smoking nowadays it blows my fucking mind.
1. It's expensive as fuck 2. You really can't smoke anywhere anymore 3. It's in a weird category of "not being socially acceptable, while at the same time not being cool or rebellious either" 4. They're all so brainwashed by social media, but the anti-cigarette stuff didn't sink in.
Nathaniel Lewis
Pipe tobacco is sold pretty rarely here. I have to go across town to get some pipe tobacco when I can walk 5 mins and have a new pack of cancer.
>Also smoking reduces appetite.
Connor Davis
Post animated lad
Jonathan Powell
>Muricans think guns look cool but smoking looks gross.
Y'all need to come to Europe.
Women hate nu-males and rednecks here. They like men that look like pic. related.
Jacob Russell
Life expectancy and average age are Two different things. 79 for Leaf males - 7 years for smoking = 72. That doesn't take into account the heart attack at 50, and all the other medical problems leading up to the last years 69-72 of you shitting yourself dying of cancer without dignity. Not too mention smokers are weak, run out of breathe, and are so easy to choke out with those narrow arteries. Stop trying to make yourself feel better you degenerate.
Owen Allen
Nicotine is a nootropic, mind-enhancing substance. It should be obvious why they spent billions of dollars in the 90's propagandizing against it.
Samuel Baker
>smoking looks gross.
It has nothing to do with looks. It is gross. It smells awful. Kissing a smoker is nasty. The smell sticks to everything, etc.
Easton Murphy
ALL SMOKERS DIE OF CANCER! ALL SMOKERS DIE YOUNG! SMOKERS ARE STUPID!
BAN TOBACCO NOW! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Cameron Brown
It is better to work with what you have, while you have it, than it is to destroy, and attempt to rebuild from scratch.
Hudson Wood
inb4 finland posts asking why we don't smoke yet
Asher Long
Here we smoke cigars and shoot guns....usually at the same time.
Chase Jones
tfw 32 year old chain smoker of 3 + packs a day for the last 15 years i dont have a sense of smell anymore, probably have copd, and will most likely die very soon
