The United States will not lift sanctions on Russia until President Vladimir Putin hands Crimea back to Ukraine, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said late Sunday. During a phone call with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, Tillerson said the sanctions—which have crippled Russia’s economy and pushed down the value of the ruble—will “ remain in place until Russia returns control of the Crimean peninsula to Ukraine.” He also said that Moscow must honor the ceasefire in eastern Ukraine that was outlined in the Minsk agreements, according to a State Department official.
>which have crippled Russia’s economy and pushed down the value of the ruble
That was oil prices, m8. Dropped from $120 to $50.
Austin Smith
It's a trap, even if they leave crimea for nato ships they would find something else to sanction.
Adam Garcia
Love you guys, never give in
Jacob Cox
Not very good for the ruble either Ivan
Hudson Baker
What the fuck are they doing, Trump was supposed to strengthen our relationship with Russia not dump it down the toilet
Wyatt Jones
Did you really believe election actually matters?
Hunter Cook
we shouldve let MacArthur finish what he was doing
Leo Jones
lmao
Evan Ward
bothing wrong here
Jayden Allen
>be me >originally from Ukraine, now US citizen >decide to vote for Trump >mom reeees says Trump is a Russian shill and will lift sanctions >follow my heart and vote Trump but feel a little guilty This is a relief.
Sebastian Adams
Is Putin bad or good? Honestly I hear both sides and I want to know from someone who actually lives under him.
He selected all the wrong people in his cabinet. Theyre all neocons, globalists, and republican hacks. He fell for the 'bipartisan' meme.
Joseph Foster
b-but the 4D chess man it's all a trick, he still is /ourguy/ right.....right?
Isaiah Allen
fuck russia
based rex
Christian Thomas
Pretty stupid line to die on. The majority of Crimean people want to be Russian.
Jack Rogers
Ukraine owes Russia more than 30 billion dollars for natural gas. How about you start from resolving that matter before even mentioning Crimea
Gabriel Rogers
That's now, but who knows what will happen..
Michael Nguyen
I ignored all the trolling up to this point but Trump has really started to make me doubt him.
Christopher Ramirez
Why, ukraine is proper russian clay anyways
Kayden Gutierrez
>s-s-s-stay loyal p-pedes >69D battleships
Jeremiah Russell
t. Bill Kristol t. Charles Krauthammer t. CIA
Brayden Myers
Ukraine literally means borderland.
Lucas Lewis
Dump Drumpf
Ayden Watson
Still feels good.
Landon Butler
libnogs now love trump while OG trump supporters are aghast
Ethan Butler
Crimea is legally Russian clay you cretins. It's almost like none of you remember that rather basic fact.
Then again knowledge of that would imply any of you read and given the sheer propensity of YouTube videos linked as evidence for anything and everything that isn't likely at all.
Charles Hernandez
So when is the US returning the soutwest to mexico?
Ian Sullivan
fuck off JIDF I see you
Connor Wright
Based AF. Don't fucking lift it until pootin is gone lads.
James Sanders
>Crimea is legally Russian clay you cretins. It's almost like none of you remember that rather basic fact.
lol
Luke Clark
Someone should ask Crimea what they want, with a vote or something.
Jaxson Torres
Putin is essentially the Bush of Russia. He is a warmongering neo-con. He augmented the punishments for white nationalist hate crimes and praised Muslims. He is not our guy.
Levi Wright
they already did...
Sebastian Walker
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Jacob Murphy
Im for the US normalizing Russian relations. I know we are doing a bunch of shitty things because of greed and just being pieces of shit.
This still feels like a Russian proxy paid poster.
Aiden Nelson
they "did"
Hunter Howard
>History and treaty law is beyond me, but I watched a YouTube video once and now I'm an expert. This board is full of mongoloids.
Eli Turner
>"Crimea is rightful Russian clay. The Ukrainians stole it during the fall of the USSR." >Okay, why not give back Prussia to Germany then? >"REEEEEEEEE A DRUNK SLAV PISSED ON A BUILDING THERE BACK IN THE 1950'S! IT'S RUSSIAN SOIL FOREVER!"
Reminder that Russians are no different than Muslims.
Charles King
No the KIKES have to burn
Oliver Campbell
Putin goes when the Nation collapses. Im not excited about that.
Robert Nelson
What law makes the occupation of Crimea legal?
Logan Myers
That's the joke. Democratic self determination for me. European dictatorship for thee.
Joseph Taylor
>this is what burgerclaps actually think top kek
Adam Phillips
You do know that it's easy to shake things a lil bit in Russia if US suddenly decides to lift off sanctions (considering that Russia is quite close to completely reforming their domestic econ/prod policies, so sanctions being lifted might cause some havoc there).
But why do I tell these things to Maltsev onanists?
Bentley Flores
Russians were bused in over the past few decades and then launched a coup.
It's like if Mexicans in California declared a reconquesta.
Evan Jackson
No u. I started supporting him in October 2015. Russia and faggots were the only two issues on which I didn't agree with Trump.
Wyatt Walker
They voted to join Russia. Also Im pretty sure its full of people who were happy to avoid getting Sorosed and join Russia.
Sort of how Germany is going to lose a chunk of land to Turkey in the future because only Turks are living there.
Anthony Rogers
The fact that Ukraine was given the land as a temporary land deal that Russia can rescind at any time.
You must be very young to not remember this.
William Richardson
Good, as much as I don't want to poke the bear and start WWIII Putin needs to learn he has to play nice with the other children if we wants the US to be his friend, I realize Russia feels the need to constantly get into a dick measuring contest with us at every turn but there is a point where you have to draw the line, stop being such a douche Russia.
Samuel Evans
nigger-tier argument >Okay, why not give back Alaska to Russia then?
Luke Turner
More reason for the wall this is something that can happen. Look at Turkey and Europe.
Isaac Garcia
We're just slowly giving them pieces of our country. Same with the nogs.
David Collins
We bought it from you.
Mason Evans
>well, albozers vote on illegal referendum do tear up Serbia
>lol get fucked commie serbs
>russians do the same thing
>BAAAW INTERNATIONAL LAW VIOLATIONS !!1!
hypocrisy goes both ways
Brandon Gutierrez
> implying sanctions and not oil price crippled the ruble > implying Crimea will not forever remain Russian > implying Ukrainians have any claim to Crimean clay > implying Ukraine did not illegally occupy Crimea for 19 years > implying that dumb xoxols will not ultimately cave in for some gibs from Russia
Dylan Kelly
When they are going to put sanctions on U.S.A? (for destroying iraq)
Luke James
Okay, sure, the Balkans were a shitshow.
So two wrongs make a right?
Austin Ward
WTF? We hacked our agent Trump into Washington and he pays us with this? Recall him now!
Levi Barnes
Just like Prussia was bought with blood of our soldiers.
Charles Rivera
>пиздит кaк pyccкий
Michael Martin
Clearly that article is put there by russian hackers to hide Trump's puppet strings
Brandon Torres
>have literal goose stepping nazis take over a country >stalingrad like 250 miles away or something like that >crimea gives access to the black see and the russian navy been there since 1800 whatever >russia gave crimea only to the ukraine in the 50s >russian been going there for their vacations, massive amount of russians living there >ukraine oligarch literally bans russian as an official language >progroms
Hey you evil russians, give back the crimea to the Nazis! And give fucking Königsberg as well where you at it. Thought Trump was supposed to be smart.
Noah Hill
Good. Couldn't stand this "We just need to hope that Trump and Lepen will win and everything is going to be all right" narrative. Our lazy scum in power need a reality check.
Christian Gutierrez
Guess why ((((((they)))) are so hellbent on Crimea and cuckraine question
Nolan Price
Right of conquest. If nobody actually has the balls to physically take it from Russia, guess what? Russia gets to keep it.
Adam Murphy
This all you need to know, Nigger:
Crimean public opinion
A joint survey by American government agency Broadcasting Board of Governors and polling firm Gallup was taken during April 2014.[252] It polled 500 residents of Crimea. The survey found that 82.8% of those polled believed that the results of the Crimean status referendum reflected the views of most Crimeans, whereas 6.7% said that it did not. 73.9% of those polled said that they thought that the annexation would have a positive impact on their lives, whereas 5.5% said that it would not. 13.6% said that they did not know.[252]
A comprehensive poll released on 8 May 2014 by the Pew Research Centre surveyed Crimean opinions on the annexation.[253] Despite international criticism of 16 March referendum on Crimean status, 91% of those Crimeans polled thought that the vote was free and fair, and 88% said that the Ukrainian government should recognise the results.[253]
UP DONBAS! UP CRIMEA!
Anthony Miller
>Hrushev gave krimea to Ukraine >19 years
Realy makes you think. Also >Israel is 60% russian or something
Leo Evans
t. vlad
Andrew Reyes
Confirms collusion desu. Otherwise he would lift sanctions
Chase Ward
I suppose you think you own Poland then, right?
Why don't you tear down some churches while you're at it. You're nothing but Mongols, just like the Turks.
Joseph Perez
>guve someone something >hey wtf you can't do that >tries to take it back by force >oy vey it's not our fault goy
Robert Powell
They limited access to international capital for many big companies that negatively affected the ruble prise, as well. But we shouldn't return Crimea because a) Crimea held a referendum on accession to Russia. b) We invested too much money in this place to give it back voluntarily. c) It's none of the US business, may they go and sort the dispute over Golan Hights for their cherished ally.
Adrian Thompson
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Leo Gray
Russians just cannot stop getting cucked. Return the stolen clay, Ivan, before you get hurt ;) We wouldn't want AZOV to kill even more of your soldier boys.
Mason Taylor
well, on paper you guys support freedom of self-determination
crimean population is 90% russian and want to be a part of if
just like the south wanted to be it's own thing... oh wait
Cameron Miller
> they already did Twice. ref. First referendum in USSR, January 20, 1991, which gave Crimea an ASSR status.
Robert Richardson
Also it's amazing to see all these clowns in our parlament who gave a standing ovation when Trump won being cucked like that. Too bad we don't have enough independent media to pick them apart.
Elijah Lewis
>>ukraine oligarch literally bans russian as an official language
First off, that's not how the law works. Do you think that you can, for example, "vote" to have your house "join" Russia?
Second, Russians+elections=scam (see the "referendum" in Donbas, for example)
>The fact that Ukraine was given the land as a temporary land deal that Russia can rescind at any time.
That's not what the transfer agreement says
Juan Gutierrez
They gave the Kosovo to the muslims though...
Nicholas Richardson
>you can annex your own territory
Remind me of all these "parents kidnap their children" (aka dont hand them over ot pedophile state services when they demanded) stories from the fake media
NORMIES are literal braiddead npc since they believe this
>all the putin shills on this board in favor of a manlet that worked for the reds What happened? Are they simply being contrarians?
Dylan Turner
Putin will be assassinated by his own oligarchs
Easton Garcia
>Germany wants to be Turkey... >Reeeee Realy makes you think
Zachary Perry
>muh referendum Nigga you can't just take the people in one area and let them alone decide if they are independent or part of another country or shit like that. That's fucking retarded.
Aaron King
All 4 statements are correct.
Charles Cook
>le Sup Forums is fascist guise i swear >yes mr KGB let me suck your dick pls
Jacob Phillips
>Ukraine didnt ban russian as official tongue, but Kosovo isnt serbian wtf i am for dnr now.
Ryan Harris
I'm disappointed.
If I were President I'd do a deal. The US recognises Russia's annexation of Crimea and gives it free reign to do anything short of actual war in Ukraine and every country East of the urals too, drop the sanctions, and normalise relations, in exchange for Russia building up its military on the Chinese border, cutting its Chinese trade ties (I would have a US free trade agreement to replace them), and participating in joint military exercises designed to isolate China. I would also want to open a joint Russian-US Navy base in Valdivostok or somewhere similar. Also I'd ask (politely) that they not abuse so many human rights, but this would be a minor feature and framed as important for helping me sell the deal domestically.
I'd even be willing to send US troops to fight for Russia in Syria if necessary to secure the deal.
Basically, redraft NATO as an anti-China pact, and then invite Russia in.
Then, with Russia handling the Middle East the way it should be handled (by bullet, not ballot), I would focus on expanding the anti-China pact in Asia to further isolate the yellow monkeys. Ideally I would bring India in, but their neutrality is legend. The goal is to leave China technologically retarded long enough for us to develop nuclear weapons interception technology, and then reduce them to the stone age. Depopulate them by at least 80% and balkanise what's left. By the time we're done China should be a smouldering ruin, where the people live in ruins, amid their ruined ideology, in the ruins of the old Empire.
Joshua Miller
>Why don't you tear down some churches while you're at it I am an Orthodox Christian, you moron >You're nothing but Mongols, just like the Turks. Whatever you say, Juan Pablo
Brayden Jones
>First off, that's not how the law works. Do you think that you can, for example, "vote" to have your house "join" Russia? >Second, Russians+elections=scam (see the "referendum" in Donbas, for example)
When a contiguous part of the country decides to fucking leave the only way it stays is if you go to war and make it stay.
See our civil war as an example.
And we know its filled with people who are Russian. Its not being held by force.
Carter Young
Maybe Trump realized after reviewing all the proofs that Russia really is our fucking enemy and you deluded shills are their patsies
Brayden Nguyen
Ukraine illegally overthrew Crimean constitution 19 years before 2014, sending Crimean president into exile. That 1992 constitution gave Crimea full political independence from Ukraine. You are too young to remember, I understand. Now, get off my lawn.