If you could pick one definitive reason why America lost the Vietnam War what would it be?

if you could pick one definitive reason why America lost the Vietnam War what would it be?

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1, Marxist subverters protesting the war.
2, chinks in NVA uniforms and Soviet air support.

Probably because Sweden supported Vietnam, and god is always on our side.

Where does this "America lost the war" meme come from?

It comes from the fact that they lost it

Jewish 5th column in America.

Our poor military doctrine. we would fight for strategic areas than leave shortly after taking them only to have to go back a week later.

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We didn't lose

The TV.

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The US did not intend to win the war. They were more concerned with experiments in weather modification, agent organge, and developing an economic relationship with China.

Hippies. That's all.

From people who don't know shit. America didn't win but the US Military was NOT defeated. After Tet Offensive the war lost a lot of support. Also in a war with no clear objectives except search and destroy the only way to define victory is by piles of bodies.

Ethics. We should have just rounded up every Vietnamese and shot them. Guerrilla warfare only works when someone follows morals.

underestimation of the stamina and determination of north vietnam. although the fact that north vietnam had been at war since 1946 should have provided a clue.

>Be America
>Go to war to steal drugs
>Accomplish mission
>Quietly retreat

Its like fighting isis

Politics

We literally lost South Vietnam because of that

>chinks in NVA uniforms
really? Source on that? Never heard this/

Anyway the main points in my history textbook are:
1) Americans at home were horrified at seeing US massacres being carried out on their tvs
2) War economy detracting from public funding of healthcare and infrastructure
3) Disproportionate number of black draftees due to wealthy whites avoiding through going to university or enlisting in sea patrol
4) Strong nationalistic will of the Vietnamese people
5) Capitalism's failure to produce a flourishing South Korea as NK was in much better position at the time

Would anyone be interested in reading my essay? Need to hand it in by Friday so my teacher can correct for the weekend.

Refusal to embrace the Strategic Destruction doctrine, should have burned every jungle in Vietnam and flat everything that wasn't flying the red white and blue at high mast

North Vietnam signed a peace treaty after we won. US Congress failed to live up to our end of the agreement.

get napalmed, goy

>Would anyone be interested in reading my essay?
how many pages is it

The US Military was Not Defeated. We quit. Losing and quitting are two different things

explain, what happend to america after they lost the war? I mean in terms of the main goal the usa had. What was the main goal the usa had during this war and why did it fail?

>no clear objectives
the objective was to force surrender, or at least a cessation of aggression towards south vietnam by means of attrition. that failed.

Just wrote a paper too
IMO,
1. Guerrilla warfare
2.No large scale invasion after the Tet Offensive when the NVA/Vietcong lost 1/3 of their forces
3.Support from China and Russia to N-Vietnam
4.Tv and hippies putting pressure on US gov

But we retreated because we realized there was no reason for it

Cause dragging it out as long as possible got the elites more money. They didn't care who won.

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5 A4 copybook pages so about 1600 words. Not sure where to upload though.

We focused on success at the tactical level, but had no clear operational or strategic objectives. As a result, NV focused strategy of attacking public perception and breaking our national will was able to succeed, despite being brutally defeated at the tactical level. Not giving military commanders the voice to set operational and feed national military strategy was a huge contributing factor.

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We were never meant to win the war. Henry Kissinger was a Jewish Communist plant. Gulf on Tonkin was a setup as well.

>He was listed as a spy for the KGB under the name Bor.
>He then worked for the Rockefellers and when Nelson R. didn't win the nomination for prez. He was offered a job, Nelson told him he better accept Nixons offer or never speak to him again.
>Nelson Rockefeller gave him a check for 50 k upon getting the job as congratulations, nobody saw it as bribery
>Worked closely with the Rockefellers Council on Foreign Relations
>CFR enacts globalist agendas thru politicians and other VIPs
>Bill and Chelsea Clinton are current memebers of CFR

Here's a good biography of Kissinger. If you like history and have the time then read it. It outlines the reasoning behind a lot of decisions made during the Cold War.

sweetliberty.org/issues/homeland/kissinger/3.htm

That guys BAR

>if you could pick one definitive reason why America lost the Vietnam War what would it be?
democrats

To stop Communism from spreading into south vietnam and to stop North Vietnam from unifying both Vietnams. 2 years after US left, 1973, thats exactly what happened so they lost.

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Force a surrender by Killing commies. Search and Destroy was the main objective of the war. Find the enemy and kill him. This wasn't world war two when their was a island hopping campaign or an objective to capture Berlin. We quit. The Military was not defeated.

God did not will it.

>because Allah is on our side.

Fixed that for you, Achmedsen.

americans arming the russians who were arming the chinese who were arming the north vietamese.

war was for profit not victory.

Because we were invading a fucking jungle

Same reason they lost Iraq
You send in a bunch of mouth-breathing beta males for no valid cause against people actually determined to protect their own turf
Keep on defending the MIC good goys

politics

Honest question why did American never actually just invade North Vietnam? Couldnt we have somewhat ended the war if we took Hanoi and captured the leadership?

As always shitty politicians making shitty decisions
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US definitely lost. If we still have a South Vietnam as an ally, the Chinks would be completely BTFO right now and be completely boxed in by US bases. At las, it wasnt meant to be and now they are contending the South China Sea.

china, then russia.

The same reason why the UK lost to the USA

Not shitty. All of them were commie jew plants.

Feminism.

DC was extremely paranoid about a repeat of Korea with China intervening and the war going nuclear, even though China was too busy fucking themselves with the Cultural Revolution.

Policy makers were extremely ignorant about Asia and didn't give a fuck until maybe the Nixon administration, which was way too late politically.

Politics. If the military had been given free reign to operate without constant governmental intervention for political reasons and "winning of hearts and minds" it could have turned out very different. I'm surprised US has won any war since. War is war, fuck nation building, fuck restraint, win.

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Gulf of Tonkin was two separate incidents, one of which was false. Still probably would have happened all because a North Vietnamese machine gun puts some holes in a navy boat.

Shit really didn't escalate until the NVA attacked Pleiku in 1965.

We didn't use nuclear weapons when we should have

There was an opportunity to completely decapitate the VC generalship. Forward units chased them into Laos, they were within reach, units were ordered back.

youtube.com/watch?v=Rn6iDwYz0_Y

They wanted to keep their reputation untarnished.

I guess its a hind sight thing but the US lost less troops in Korea than in Vietnam.

Now post the picture of Jane Fonda seated on the NVA AA gun.

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Soldiers won, Politicians lost. By around Nixtons term we had been running consistent bombing campaigns against Hanoi, eventually forcing the north Vietnamese to the negotiating table. The Paris Peace Accords created a cease fire in Vietnam, and also negotiated the withdrawal of U.S troops (as the war itself was seen as over, and political pressure at home got heavier by the day). The U.S agreed, upon withdrawal, to give south Vietnam full material support based on a point by point system- one helicopter for one downed helicopter, one rifle for one broken rifle, etc. This would've allowed the south to continue and win the war without our direct involvement, should the ceasefire collapse. However, following nixons resignation and the resulting congressional shakeup, democrats eliminated the supply measure from the budget and left south Vietnam on its own. Emboldened by this severing of support, North Korea (still with Chinese/USSR support) broke the cease fire and easily conquered the south, ultimately conquering Saigon and winning the war. Democrats gave away everything the U.S army fought (and WON) for.

Yeah, but that's the problem, nobody wanted a big pitched battle because "muh elections" and Korea was scary enough as is, so instead we had the long drawn out shit we now know as Vietnam.

Wasn't that hard, Westmoreland and the Pentagon proposed shit years in advance and Johnson didn't do shit. The Laos incursion after Tet was one major plan, so was mining Haiphong, those were sat on for years after being proposed.

Chicoms admitted it in the late 80's, 300,000 troops sent, suposedly 4000 casualty's. They probably logistics and advisors as to lessen the chance of international incident and further escalation.

I thought they mostly did shit like rebuild bridges that got bombed out from Rolling Thunder/Linebacker so the PAVN could free up troops to go on the offensive.

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is this a meme or do you guys actually believe that? lol

or is that american nationalism at work? I think neutral countries like my own are a better judge of things like war.

It's a lot easier to carpet-bomb than invade. America couldn't even keep control of the south let alone north vietnam which obviously had a lot more sympathy for the nationalists. Americans can't handle guerrilla warfare.

If America invaded they'd just be fighting a government in exile.

america got introduced into a new type of war

This 100%. Beginning with Vietnam, war was beamed to people's living rooms and now actions are subject to the court of public opinion. One of our biggest fears on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan was getting caught in a compromising situation on camera.

Not making a commitment to total war and fighting with one hand tied behind their back.

>No operations in countries that the Ho Chi Minh trail ran into outside of very limited "black" operations
>No commitment to striking North Vietnam
>Complete drop of domestic support
>Distaste for brutal tactics required to destroy a people as crafty, resilient and dedicated as the Vietcong and North Vietnamese

It's the same reason the US fails in anything outside of firm, quick objective actions like destroying things. Nation building/COIN is a losing game no matter how well equipped and trained you are. It requires levels of brutality that made the whole world turn against the Nazis.

The media.

Vietnam was the first war that had crazy media coverage that led to people wanting not to be forced into fighting it. So, media + conscription, but if the media wasn't there, it would have gone on longer and potentially won by the USA (very unlikely still).

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>If America invaded
the nva would have simply retreated into china, fighting from there. creating a similar situation with much more risk of escalation. which is why it didn't happen. i'm sure the nva had those contingency plans in place.

It's true from a strictly military standpoint, but strategically speaking it was obviously a failure.

ARVN folded in '75 because of the lack of arms shipments and aircraft, but also because Thieu was a micromanaging retard who couldn't let his generals respond to the situation as it unfolded.

USA should have forced the PAVN to leave occupied territory though, I mean wtf they could have come to a deal much earlier with what they actually agreed to.

>war
>irish intellectual

>I thing neutral countries like my own are a better judgment

No. Pretty much every country in the world hates America for no apparent reason other than "t-they're different!" We've trained ourselves to take opinions like yours with a grain of salt.

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I dunno, if they retreated from China then it would have allowed South Vietnam and Cambodia to consolidate and quell the Communist cells there, focusing everything more on Laos and North Vietnam.

Probably would have been better off if it was a limited incursion, but who honestly knows?

Why nobody accepted the partition and focused on fortifying the DMZ and occupying Laotian chokepoints along the Ho Chi Minh Trail mystifies me.

Actually got this theory from wwz(book)
A character explains how Americans cannot fight a prolonged war because we don't have the tolerance for it. We want the first round knockout, the grand slam, the Hail Mary touchdown. That didn't happen in Nam and the public started to grow weary of the war. We could have won if we invested more time and resources but he public had had enough.

Our Government

Militarily speaking, when ever the US, save for a couple of catastrophic loses like July 2, BTFO the dinks whenever they fought each other

But you don't win a war through tactical victories, you win it by strategic victory and the us dropped the ball on a strategic level

We finally sat down with the gooks and signed the Paris Peace Accord but we had a feeling the Commie Gooks wouldn't honor it so we gave the South Vietnamese our word that we'd come to the rescue in case of that

Of course when the Commie Slopes eventually did invade, we stabbed them in the back, we let them get crushed by the Commies

Honestly that right there is worse than saying our infantrymen aren't worth a shit, because we can shrug it off and know its true but, no matter how much want deny it, we gave South Vietnam our word and we stabbed them in the back like a bunch of fucking subhumans kikes

>because we can shrug it off and know its NOT true

Jesus I need to put the bottle down

Press --> SJW

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>Vietnam owes the U.S. $56 billion in trade

We didn't lose shit, you greasy wop.

>wop
STOP

Agreed, I'd consider losing to be a counter invasion which, lets be fair, the gooks had no fucking chance of that.

Ether way, you killed a fuck ton of slant eyes so it's a victory

Politics

Maybe because it was never a war.

generally speaking, when you quit something, you lose by default. is war an exeption?

Democrats and fuck wads in Hollywood.

Puffed up faggots couldn't handle 10x more casualties, because they weren't defending their own country. This is why Amerifags lose EVERY war.

Liberals

if you kill your enemies they win

Basically media played all of this shit up. American Marxist Jew media loves to start the wars for the ratings and the raise the rabble for the Pulitzer. They have been perfecting this since they got America into a war with Spain for absolutely no reason at all.

The media, that is all. And who is the media...

retreat means you loose faggot

Russia retreated, in WW2, and won.

>Americans at home were horrified at seeing US massacres being carried out on their tvs

Ironically, the majority of the massacres were carried out by the South Koreans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Vietnam

South Vietnam capitulated because of left-wing hippie extremist protestors. The Vietcong were done as a fighting force after the Tet offensive so the commies were on their way to losing. But the commies at home could not stand idly while their overseas allies were about to be destroyed.

you mean by advancing all the way to berlin?