Is Crowdfunding, a socialist or libertarian idea?

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libertarian since it is not compulsory

still it only proves you're moron if you give money to some of those leeches

>28k per month from patreon

so what?

It's a beggar idea

Both.

it's advanced (degenerate) capitalism.

It's ancap at its core.

tell me why it's degenerate for people to spend their money how they want to.

what are the arguments that its remotely socialist? I don't understand.

>My dog was hit by a car. We need about $150,000. please give

Voluntary investment is voluntary investment, regardless of the currency being invested or the tender of the payout.

again, not compulsory, when I leave home hordes of gypsies tell me a thousand and one lies about why they need money and I never give them shit

is the government forcing anyone to donate through patreon? No? Not socialism.

I don't mean it's morally degenerate, but it's the effects of the traditional capitalism degenerating, failing to keep up with the needs and demands of the people, so the common people turn to themselves and become the welfare, the charity, and the loanable funds market.

I'm not sure if I understood you, are you implying that capitalism caused this degeneracy or socialism has?

STOP CALLING BEGGING, CROWDFUNDING, IT ALREADY HAD A NAME

the communal aspect of this form of voluntary participation, which isn't enough to label it socialism. the funding of capitalist ventures though rejects socialism

Patreon not many months ago introduced a feature that no longer displays what leechers and jews earn by their donations, of course as soon as it was implemented more than half of faggots who benefit from it hid their income and now as it was expected since you no longer see it they complain they need more, that the current donations don't give them enough and they have to "provide" less content because they need to pick up other jobs now, typical abusive behaviour, what can you ask from leftists and liberal pieces of shit.
Same goes for kickstarter where guy who got like 150 mils for star citizen proceed to buy a yacht and do weeks long vacation 3-4 times a year while complaining they still need funds, as of now, 5 years later star citizen is still in alpha and all the assets that are in the game so far don't amount for not even 1 hour of content.
Patreon's major shareholder and investors that started it up are from a jewish investment firm that gave them 50 mil $ to launch the business format in 2013.

It's just unrestricted venture capitalism, so more libertarian.

Crowdfunding is a consumerist idea.

Never go full retard.

Paying for something in a voluntary manner is not socialism. I don't know if it's particularly libertarian either, it's just another way to fund a service in a free market. Capitalism is very inventive and if left to its own devices gives you an abundance of choices.

Comes out as a rant because something personal, i hate it when there isn't transparency when it comes to money and donations, proves more that the only way to make it big out there is to be a shabbos goy
graphtreon.com/ also encourages degenerates and advocates porn further pushing jewish agendas with the help of chinks since they represent a big group on the site.
giving money on patreon you fund the following:
Site owned by kikes and shlomostein investors
They only transfer thru banks, (((paypal))) and payoneer ( every transaction you make with this one, poos in loos get 5% )
you help leftists gain more resources and power

>>I'm not sure if I understood you, are you implying that capitalism caused this degeneracy or socialism has?

capitalism. there's really no socialism so i don't know how to blame it.

nigga, crowdfunding already had a name, it was called begging.

whoops, misread

neither; It's capitalism.

Collectivist individualism, obviously.

>wahhhhh, people are funding & supporting people voluntarily

Crowdfunding is as much like socialism as your mother is on a Saturday night.

whoa guys, I work in this sector and patreon isn't really crowdfunding, its just a donations platform.

The company I work for does investment crowdfunding, where you and like 100 other people buy a strip mall or something, and you all get dividends from the rent and stuff like that.

Implying that words have meaning.

Fuck off, leaf. Breathing is socialism in your bizarro America.

so if think capitalism causes degeneracy, how do you explain the last 300 years of relative laissez-faire economics with little to no degeneracy? Wouldn't it be more accurate to point it to socialism, as both have grown rapidly in the past few decades?

That is a great idea, a viable alternative to copyright that everyone can be satisfied with, except for IP owners aka the giant international swarm of jewish leeches that rely on government power to syphon money from you and control what you can and cannot say.

I run a crowdfunding company. It's Ancap. No one is forced, there are few to no middlemen depending on the payment system.

It's the purest form of Capitalism.

Crowd funding isn't socialist because you aren't taking other people's shit. It's like how taxing everyone for your stupid ideas is socialist, but donating your own personal money to charity is not.

That said, a lot of the stuff people fund on Patreon is dumb shit from e-beggars who aren't really that intelligent, they're just either cunning or charismatic enough to con people into giving them money. That isn't the fault of crowd funding though, it's mainly just stupid people in general.

Can't be commie if there's profit involved.

Crowdfunding is probably the most libertarian notion that has gone mainstream other than dude weed, oddly enough.

>capitalism causes degeneracy
"it" itself is degenerating, degrading, deteriorating, breaking down, failing, etc. but to address this point that i never made, you could plausbily argue that the profit-driven system is selling people a lifestyle, image, and subculture (rap, metal, biker, basic bitch, etc) that we may say is degenerate, in the lingo of the nazi.

>how do you explain the last 300 years of relative laissez-faire economics with little to no degeneracy
that capitalism was still developing?

>Wouldn't it be more accurate to point it to socialism, as both have grown rapidly in the past few decades?

I don't think so. there's not even so much as a serious worker co-op effort. even if i accepted nationalized production as socialism, what im seeing in the US a strong inclination to use award money and public funds for private companies rather than have the government itself set up it's own departments, facilities, and staffing.

how do you qualify an ideology as "developing"? If anything, government intervention in the free market was near nothing in the gilded age and during the industrial revolution, while today socialism has taken a foothold in every developed nation.

Girl i l know posts nudes and masturbation vids on patreon behind a paywall. I just pledge for 30 bucks a month, download everything, delete my pledge and never pay anything ever. Plan on doing this every month until she stops uploading studf

profoundly libertarian. it's pure meritocracy. i make a living entirely on patreon (and not a bad one either).