Communism has never been tried before

>communism has never been tried before

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It's never been achieved. Communism is a higher stage of socialism in which the state withers away and we achieve a stateless, classless, and moneyless society.

Also, there is nothing wrong in that picture of North Korea at all

Those kids are learning about farming. That shit is important if you don't want to starve.

>Communism is a higher stage of socialism in which the state withers away and we achieve a stateless, classless, and moneyless society.

lol kid your brain is a worthless piece of shit


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>a stateless, classless, and moneyless society
What a great idea

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.

Communism has to be enforced by a totalitarian state because it is so against human nature that without the threat of death/jail/gulag people simply stop "following the rules".

Ancapitalism is at least somewhat plausible in that it follows basic human nature.

Communism can only exist in it's pure stateless form inside tribal communities no larger than your average military company. Good luck surviving in 2017 with an organization that small. Not to mention this would totally stagnate any human progress at all.

He's right though.
He didn't claim that communism was achievable. Or even that it could work.
But no country has ever become communist, just intermediate stages of socialism that didn't work so well. Those so-called "communist states" were "communist" in the sense that they were striving towards it.
Also, there might have been some primitive cultures that were somewhat communist. I don't know desu. Those don't seem to develop much technology.

>gives the actual definition of communism
>gets told brain is a worthless piece of shit
>receives a Jordan Peterson video
(I guess a rightist psychology professor is a good source when discussing Marxism)
>in the video peterson says that the soviet union and china were communist nations

Did you know that there is a really depressing document about estonians coming to Finland to fight the russians during WW2 and suffering from it? Man, commies are scum.

Wrong again.

1) Marx and Engels never made any distinction between communism and socialism. They actually used the terms interchangeably

2) Marx saw the state as a executive committee of a ruling class. In a socialist society, he affirmed, the state, as the government of people, would give way to a simple, democratic "administration of things"

3) Lenin, who actually made a distinction between communism and socialism stood for state capitalism (Dictatorship of the proletariat)

>le human nature argument

You're probably the same dude that is against participation medals being given out in schools because they decrease the competitive drive in kids.

So is the human nature argument still valid when schools indoctrinate kids into acting a certain way?

Every day. Every fucking day.
Every fucking day we have this same fucking thread. I bet you think it's real cool, don't you, you attention whore? “How will I get my (you)s today?” you wake up and ask yourself. You little fucking faggot. You little fucking societal worm. I bet your dad is really fucking proud of his faggot son, isn't he?

Fully automated luxury communism is the real one

Your cognitive dissonance amuses me

You can't enforce communism without a totalitarian state. The bolsheviks knew that 100 years ago and that's why Lenin was against giving democratic powers to the soviets.

>So is the human nature argument still valid when schools indoctrinate kids into acting a certain way?
Why exactly not? The problem with communism is that people are different and the communism is want to treat them as if they are the same. People will divide in groups and the more useful/powerful groups will rise to the top. And the most useful/powerful people will rise to the top of those groups. And the luck factor will make the division even stronger.

Of course after a socialist revolution you should be authoritarian in order to prevent a counter-revolution and get your nation in order again.

Authoritarian communism is an oxymoron because communism is stateless.
What next, will you link me a Steven Crowder video as proof that socialism and communism are the same?

>give overwhelming power to the state to redistribute wealth as they see fit
>the entire function of society is eventually relegated as a function of the government
>???
>stateless, classless utopia

Seems legit.

>making an unauthoritarian system
>by being authoritarian
Geez

>Authoritarian communism is an oxymoron because communism is stateless.
You don't need a state to rule and enforce your will

>Of course after a socialist revolution you should be authoritarian in order to prevent a counter-revolution and get your nation in order again

lol you need a totalitarian state for how long? Until your pathetic system collapse?

>communism is stateless
source?

>What next, will you link me a Steven Crowder video as proof that socialism and communism are the same?

The only reason the bolshevik ever made a distinction between communism and socialism (never made by Marx) was to give them time. There is no rational reason to make such differentiation.

I don't see how that could happen with a state in place to guide society in a certain direction.

The switch to communism won't happen by the state just stepping down one day. We're talking about the gradual (((withering)) away of the state.

This can only happen with world socialism, or some type of world in which fascists aren't chasing you constantly with fucking tanks.

>authoritarian communism is an oxymoron because communism is non-sequitur lala bullshit

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism

>REAL communism has never been tried before
ftfy m8.

Kid WTF... that link only proves what I'm saying

>communism
>wealth

Easily. Govern,ent is a part of society. You have to simply born sociopathic and lucky enough to get into the government and rise to the top. Then you can have whatever fun you want: oppress people, start wars, bullshit everyone and so on and so forth. We had that with a guy named Joseph some time ago.

No, that's your 'socialism' stage. Now explain how you get from that to the communist utopia.

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Socialism - stage between capitalism and communism

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism

Communism - stateless society

Even if it's ever achieved, a monopolar system will be short-lived, too many peeps.

>Communism - stateless society
That's a terrible difinition, because the same can be said about anarchism or libertarianism. Communism requires a classless society and common ownership of production means.

>the state withers away and we achieve a stateless, classless, and moneyless society.
At least socialism is logically consistent. The assumptions communists make are just full on retarded

>start wars

Most wars are started because of capitalism. It's the greatest money making business on the planet.

>Socialism - stage between capitalism and communism
are you retarded? That's not what is says

>Communism - stateless society
That's just wrong accordingly to the Marxist theory


Fuck this shit.

Like most communists you have know idea what Marx and Lenin ever wrote. I bet you never read any of them since you clearly don't understand what they stood by.

>link literally says "a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism"

Nope, most wars are started because of scarcity of resources and/or personal or political agenda (i.e. turning whole world into an Utopia where nothing bad ever happens and you are watched by a loving and caring family-like society).

its never been achieved because it doesnt work. leaders quickly realize if they want to have a semi functioning country they have to break the rules and pandoras box is opened within the very first few months of communism because it is a failed ideology

And you are ignoring everything else the links say while picking the wrong definition of marxism accordingly to Karl Marx who actually said that in a communist society the state should have the exclusive ownership of the means of production

1) For Marx communism and socialism are the same thing
2) Lenin made distinction between communism and socialism, but never said that communism is stateless... on the contrary
3) No maxists-leninist doctrine ever said the ultimate go of communism was anarchic

>we must keep trying capitalism

Go ahead, Texas. Watching South America try socialism again is always a kick for people in the first world.

Probably because, it's impossible to achieve your cool aid bullshit.

There have been 46 Communist countries for the past 100 years. 0 have achieved your bullshit. And the 5 that still exist are still rapid shitholes from either drowning their fucking citizens in smog to executing them for the leanest offense like sneezing on a bronze statue of big daddy Uns.

We have a better chance of colonizing and terraforming Mars than we do with changing our entire govt to something that assembles your bullshit dreams.

>its better when everyone is poor

youtube.com/watch?v=5w15kDYI8s8

The puritans tried it right off the boat. They wanted to build utopia. They were probably the most disciplined you'll find. Believed God would smite them if they did wrong. Yet they failed miserably at it and almost died.

but in his delusion he probably thinks that HE could be successful and implement his utopia on the real world if he had dictatorial power

Yes? Was that a rhetorical question?

The western countries oppressing North Korea is like that story of you, user, who never fought back.

But they will, if you dare to try to attack them. And they will give to yankies a turbo-fucking-nuclear-powered-Vietnam or some shit. I'm actually waiting for it to start already.

boa user

Not REAL communism, everything else under the name Communism has failed.... because it wasn't real Communism.

We should try it again and make it real this time! Until it's fully established, it'll be fake until it fully makes it. :^)

Yeah. Let the millions of Brazil citizens starve to death. Who gives a shit anyway.

wait, theres commies on Sup Forums?

More than you think.

You don't. It's a utopian ideology that will never occur. While it's true that a "real" communist society has never been achieved, that society will never be achieved.

Kids there learn the value of REAL work and discipline. Unlike American children who are coddled and spoiled. We should strive to follow their example.