There are many problems with the EU.
Mass immigration, un-elected officials, corruption, the list goes on and on.
But are you guys against a united Europe? In times like these it's seeming more and more like a good idea. In its current inception it is evidently a bad thing, but with reform, I believe the EU could be a great thing.
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I think Mexico should be part of the U.S.
is this a shitpost? it both looks and sounds like a shitpost
>with reform
The EU was created so that it couldn't be reformed. I fear it will kill Europe before Europe can kill it.
Would you be against a "United Americas" with Peru or Uruguay deciding your laws and your tax paying cash being spent on Mexican health care whilst your people die and go without medicine?
No I don't think so, only (((Germany))) wants the EU and some French/Polish people that rely on GIBSMEDAT. Well they can go choke on a refugee cock for all I care.
You seem to be implying that united Europe and the EU is the same thing. This is incorrect. The EU is not the only way to unite Europe and not all european countries are included in the EU.
I support united Europe but I'm 100% against the EU. It's not just about the corruption and the influx of shitskins. The institution itself is flawed so changing the officials (not that we can influence it anyway) won't fix it.
The Court of Justice is where the real power is and faggot judges interpret the treaties however they want so what countries agreed upon doesn't mean shit. Members are therefore stripped of any independence and they don't have any influence on the EU.
The EU is a fucking joke.
Europe still needs a strong EU
UK has old institutions and laws and ways we have done shit for a thousand years,we have always struggled to run parallel with the EU as a result, but some members rely totally for its EURO and infrastructure.
for them it works well, Europe needs the EU, but the UK has always been a controversial member, the people voted and here we are.
im not happy or sad, i'm trying to look at it constructively.
>be American
>can't see why different countries being clumped together and deciding laws for each other is a bad thing
Deport yourself to Mexico.
The EU is shit.
>Are You Guys 100% Against A European Union?
In the current form, absolutely. With the Jews, the EU is just a giant trap.
We have to get rid of the Jews first, then form a Union with all white countries (including a jew-free America, Australia and a Russia).
The euro is joke along with the EU.
It could have worked much better but how long can you justify having unelected officials making laws for your country.
EU has been amazing for economy, reducing pollution in air and sea, technology and for suing big companies like Microsoft, Gazprom, Google etc.
It has been a huge failure in immigration, this is what killed it
Why would I ever support the EU? There are literally zero reasons for Norway to join.
1000%
Europe was never more powerful than when it was horrendously divided. Competition at home drove Europeans to colonize the world, develop technology rapidly, and reach the greatest heights of any civilization on earth.
Uniting Europe has done nothing but make them weak.
Yes, centralization of power is bad. It's the exact opposite of freedom and independence.
If you want a moral and good society, it needs decentralized power-structures, so that even if a person misuses his powers (because humans are shitbags, they WILL misuse their power), it will not gain them huge advantages, and it will not hurt others to a big degree.
If anything, countries should be split up into smaller, independent fractions and have co-operations with eachother instead of being a huge centralized power-hub with someone that can misuse power or be manipulated at the top.
One word: Greece
The only correct answer
I don't understand why Europeans don't want to assimilate into a continental European Empire. Western Europe could easily be a paragon of Western Civilization, but unlike the EU it would actually have a standing military, boarder control, and stricter immigration policies.
Not denying the EU is shit but I don't understand why Euros don't go full imperial
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It could work.
europe can't be united, we all hate eachother, I bet germans loose their shit within this decade and we all start killing eachother.
If United Americas was a thing there wouldn't be such thing as "Peruvians and Uruguayans" or "Mexican healthcare" anymore, that's the point. There would be only one nationality (American) and only one universal healthcare.
Not like such union would ever happen, but still.
As a clueless Yurofag, why is it a bad thing?
>But are you guys against a united Europe?
Yes, because every nation has its unique culture and way of thinking. So, it will never work if you push them all under the same government. You white Americans have no culture, for example your are using a stolen language.
A Unified Europe would require values and idea under which the nations could unite.
I am against EU.
rip up your constitution and let Venezuela and mexico vote for your laws then. good luck getting trade from china because canada can't compete with them
As an Anglo, the only people I support are other Anglos, however sometime mine and the EU's interests align.
Currently we need a major power on the European mainland to oppose Russian expansion and provide most
of the manpower in a ground war. However, the worry is that they might become strong enough economically
to actually pose a threat to our global hegemony. To combat this I am very pro-immigration, the influx of huge
numbers of unskilled young men will impose enormous economic burdens while also giving those nations huge
reserves of potential cannon fodder whose deaths will mean nothing to their host nations. After the browning of
the mainland Europe, they'll finally become the meat shield/attack dog that we've always wanted. We won't
need any tricks anymore and there won't be a soul left on the earth who can challenge our tribe ever again
Nationalism ruined this continent. Countries joining together was a normal thing throughout most of the European history (HRE, PLC, Habsburg Empire, Kalmar Union - the list goes on) and helped the countries push their interest more effectively. Since the nationalist wakeup of XIX century the continent only becomes weaker and more divided as the time goes on. The process shows no signs of stopping since Scottish and Catalonian independence are still on the table, then there is also the unsolvable mess that is Balkans (Macedonia could break up in any moment now).
Sup Forums is right in saying Europe has no future, but not for the reasons they usually think of
>standing military, boarder control, and stricter immigration policies
It is the opposite right now.Open borders for everyone dictated by a bunch of unelected cucks from a luxury glassbuildings office.
The EU was a cia project and has hardcore globalist agenda
Fuck the EU
>I don't understand why Europeans don't want to assimilate into a continental European Empire.
Because that's not what the EU is and there is no 'imperial' option on the table.
The EU wants to destroy all the cultures of the member states and replace it with an overreaching 'European' identity which is founded on dumb shit like 'diversity', 'tolerance', and 'freedom of movement'. All things that in reality everyone on Earth would pretty much agree with in some form. It's all vague bullshit intended to rope in as many dumb goyim as possible so they can control the lives of everyone and eventually displace them with billions of non-Europeans.
110% against it. burn it down with no survivors.
EU has no right to the dictate migration policy of its member states. Actually, it has not much right to do anything at all, since the largely conservative European governments of the last 20 or so years made sure the power stays within the national governments. So when an issue that required deep international cooperation popped up (refugee crisis) the whole continent got instantly dicked
>Are You Guys 100% Against A European Union?
ABSOLUTELY.
EU (TM) (C) (*r) (Lmt) (LLC)
Yes.. it should have stayed as a trading union and not try become a state also fuck paying gibs for eastern Europe and other countries.
who owns the shares of the companies controlling the EU?
Are they even IN the EU?
I like it
Some clauses thrre ensure we at least get some military aid if Russia attacks
Should have joined NATO, spurdo.
>In times like these it's seeming more and more like a good idea.
What do you smoke? Literally--In times like this--Literally, independent nation-states seems like the good idea.
The best decision Britain has made in 100 years is to leave the EU.
I just wish they'd get on with it.
When that was occuring Europeans were 30-40% of world population.
Right now it's like 10%.
i am 100% behind a European Union in terms of trade deals. As long as it's a purely economic agreement. Anything more than that and it's missing the point.
You see, all the little states with their own history, culture, character, language, values, etc are a treasure. They are all unique and beautiful. But now we appear to be heading towards a future where all those differences will erode.
Same reason why Mexico and Canada are not apart of the US: different ideologies, different cultures, and different economies. There's no way in hell we'll let Mexican "intellectuals" or Canada's leading drama teacher have any say in how we use our military power. Our own constitution is against a big government; we've been fighting against each other (states) since our founding. Do you think Texas wants Commiefornia to dictate how we live?
EU is worse because nations already pre-existed unlike the US and its states. We unite under one nation because mostly all of us share a same history and a same identity. States are a byproduct with only a few exceptions (i.e. Texas which is why you see the stupid secession meme every now and again). EU can't replicate that at all no matter how much they force it.
No they didn't, Brexit is a farce, and their cuckservatives are literally no better than Brussels. They are probably even worse for that matter.
Europe will never be united, fuck the EU
Economic integration requires and enhances political integration. What you want is simply not how it goes.
People here are opposed to EU for all the wrong reasons.
Fuck off Black Mountain, the British are able to actually elect the people who control them now rather than relying on some faggots in this non-country:
Death to the UE
You don't know shit about how EU works. Stop.
EU has a LOT of problems but EU became a scapegoat for local false prophets and populists who blame everything on it.
Furthermore from what I got here British problem was stuff like (Muslim) immigration and similar subjects.
Cuckservatives that rule them now will change nothing in that aspect.
The EU is a fucking joke , they practically put the native lower classes into poverty because its kind of hard to compete with that third world EU state labor wage. Plus all the money wasted on that project. Much simpler to let countries handle free trade agreements than give millions so Eurocrats can live comfy.
>third world EU state labor wage
Yeah there you have the reason the fuckers are importing turks in the millions or eastern europeans
Each countries population should be in their country and not move over to other ones
>Economic integration requires and enhances political integration.
Bullshit. There are countless trade agreements out there that work just fine without political integration. NAFTA doesn't mean Mexico can elect representatives to legislate on US issues. Singapore is part of no less than 3 free trade blocks: APEC, IOR-ARC and ASEAN. They still have corporal punishment for young offenders and none of the blocks ever intervened or called them human rights violators or any of that nonsense.
REALLY MAKES U THINK HUH BOOTLICKER
>unelected officials making laws for your country
>being this retarded
It take like five minutes to research how the EU work. Why is this so hard?
Yet you are in EFTA, pay anally fees and oblige by EU regulations whiteout having the power to change them.
Seem like a good agreement Norway has got there.
So you admit the EU uses their economic position to shove regulations that have nothing to do with trade down the throats of anyone associated with them? And you think an organization like that is worth defending?
Also how do you feel about eventually joining the Euro, do you think the single currency is a good thing too?
>I support united Europe but I'm 100% against the EU
Thisthisthis. We do not need brussel
I like it in general.
I like that I can travel all across the continent without passports and visas.
I like that you can move to another country if you want very easily.
I like the dropping of the roaming charges that are coming.
I like that you can but stuff online from other countries and it's very cheap now, no import taxes and shit like that.
Wish we had a strong EU army, strong exterior borders and a strict imigration policy.
>all these moderate normies around me going "I think the EU is not perfect, but it could be good"
Fucking normies don't understand it's getting OUT or staying IN, no middle way
Fuck. Sup Forums is just shills talking to other shills. What a shitshow.
France and UK should create a new union that's not controlled by (((Germany)))
Call it FUK and then everyone can join if they make an interesting anagram
>Superstate run by appointed bureaucrats who ignore votes and manipulate national markets with uniform currency
>could be a great thing
Me too as long as we get to put the native Mexicans in reservations to protect their ancestral heritage and preserve their way of life.
fucking kek!
Other nations want in? Well they can #GetFUK.
Should be the Eastern American Empire
tbdesu.
They need Denmark at least
None of those have the level of economic integration EU has.
And problem is there is no alternative to European integration. You can stay deluded, believing that UK can remain a relevant player in 21st century on it's own.
EU should ideally protect European interests in all aspects. And yes, such a thing exists.
You people are stuck in 19th century. As I said back then Europeans were 30-40% of world population. Now we're 10% and declining.
Europe lost the technological edge it had too.
We either cooperate or we fail.
>I like that I can travel all across the continent without passports and visas.
Unless you travel every other week this is irrelevant. Are millennials so entitled they see standing in queue at passport control on their summer holidays akin to another shoah?
>I like that you can move to another country if you want very easily.
How is this a good thing?
>I like the dropping of the roaming charges that are coming.
Yet another millennial problem. You don't need to browse normiebook every minute of the day while abroad. Just wait until you get back to the hotel and use wifi
>I like that you can but stuff online from other countries and it's very cheap now, no import taxes and shit like that.
If only there was a way to stop voting for socialists that slap high tariffs on everything, surely that's impossible to be done without the EU
27 countries agreed on trade regulations and made a trading market. If other countries wish to trade with the 27 they will have to oblige by the regulations.
No one is forcing Norway to trade with EU. All regulations that EU demand from trading countries have something to do with trade. I don't see it as shoving regulations down other countries throats because no one is forcing them to trade with the EU.
It's good having one currency when trading but we need similar momentary regulations in each country for it to work efficiently. What we have now is kind of a cluster fuck. Romania will join the euro in the next 5 years probably and I have nothing against that.
I hate political E.U but i like economic E.U.
this must be one of those posts from the university students that are here to raid Sup Forums and turn us all into nasty smelling vegan multigendered commies . Yeah, the EU is shit , look at what is happening with Kebab "refugees" , in my clearest tone possible, fuck all that shit yo
The EU itself is important to uphold peace and strengthen the economic development in several European countries. However, it has to be reformed. We need more democracy. The EU commission for instance has to be elected by the people. Also, we need more sovereignty. Not keeping agreements has to be sanctioned with exclusion from the union (either infinitely or temporarily, depending on the severity of the fraud).
Finland
Yes
I have literally never met a single Jew in my life. What part of Germany do you live in where there's so many Jews?
Refugees are a meme issue.
Ordinary immigration is a problem. Those Muslims in France and Germany are immigrants, not refugees.
You people are simply too uninformed (or misinformed).
And why do you think EU does it? It's national governments. It's big business.
You're barking at the wrong tree.
This guy is right.
It is true, though. The EU commission is elected by the parliaments, not the people.
The most ironic thing is he likes that he can move with his ass to other countries fairly easy but in the same post wants a "stronger immigration policy"
i hope he realizes that he is immigrating when he is moving to other countries
A united Europe was always a good idea.
What we actually have is a bloated, inefficient organisation that pays thousands of its workers a wage and pension far higher than that of the British Prime Minister. It allowed useless, waste of space nations from the east to join for political purposes despite their economies being shit leading to many wealthier nations in the western part getting fucked by mass-immigration.
The problem is that reform is not possible. The European Commission has a complete strangehold over the Union, as the font of all legislation. They would never reform themselves out of power when they are supreme and the Parliament (the only elected part) is completely useless.
It needs to be fascist.
Parliament needs to be given more power.
Big problem is that ordinary European is quite ignorant on how EU works. This allows local populists to blame it for everything.
all muslims in germaby came as refugees, except the group of turkish guest workers from the 60s, 70s etc. And of course they keep importing their wifes. Regular immigration from non eu country to germany is almost impossble in reality.
>Unless you travel every other week this is irrelevant. Are millennials so entitled they see standing in queue at passport control on their summer holidays akin to another shoah?
Yes I don't like queueing. What wrong with that?
Clear you haven't spend two hours in a traffic jam at border crossing the another hour getting all your shit searched.
Also Schengen area means good don't get checked at the border which means shit gets cheaper.
>How is this a good thing?
How is this a bad thing?
Some people like this.
Clearly Brits do since there is a large expat population living in Spain for example.
>Yet another millennial problem. You don't need to browse normiebook every minute of the day while abroad. Just wait until you get back to the hotel and use wifi.
So you like getting fucked in the ass by telephone companies?
>If only there was a way to stop voting for socialists that slap high tariffs on everything, surely that's impossible to be done without the EU.
If only thing would work on the real world. We all know this will never happen.
I was referring to imigrants from outside the EU you fucking retard.
But those Turks are overwhelming majority of your Muslims.
How angry you got when the peseta was replaced?
the agricultural EU policies SUCK
especially when 87% of arable land is cultivated like here in greece
they pass policies and tell us what to grow! if we do the "mistake" to produce more stuff we pay fines, like "you should have worked less, here's a fine"
i dont mind all the human rights/eco stuff, all the legal frameworks and shiet, but the trade deals fuck some countries in the long run
>None of those have the level of economic integration EU has.
Yet some of their member states have far superior GDP per capita than most EU countries. Really makes u think again huh.
Europe lost the technological edge and stagnated because of dumb protectionism, over regulation and economic interventionism none of which are addressed by the EU. There is no point in uniting if Europeans in general are extremely hostile to personal wealth and entrepreneurship. You would have a point if the EU was a union of 27 capitalist countries. In reality it's just a union of 27 highly socialised economies with a few tax havens dotted here and there. The Spanish butt-hurt towards Gibraltar is yet another example of that: they can't possibly fathom an enclave where people are allowed to keep their money and not pay their absurd tax rates.
>All regulations that EU demand from trading countries have something to do with trade.
That's not entirely true though. Being part of the single market comes with a lot of strings attached regarding the ECJ which makes daily rulings on things that have fuck all to do with trade.
It also implies accepting freedom of movement which even if you argue that the movement of labour is part of the market, there is no reasonable explanation as to why people with criminal records are given those same privileges.
>we need similar momentary regulations in each country for it to work efficiently. What we have now is kind of a cluster fuck. Romania will join the euro in the next 5 years probably and I have nothing against that.
So you would be perfectly fine with in the future, handing over budgeting powers to Brussels? I mean, that's the single most important issue citizens vote on: how much taxes to pay, where to spend the money, whether to borrow more or cut etc. yet you don't see a problem with the Romanian government having no say on that and it all being delegated to a supranational entity?
This. Also, when an organization gets so big, the only point of its existence becomes continuing to exist, because too many people have a stake in it. The only way to change it is to dissolve it and then try again.
>The EU commission is elected by the parliaments, not the people.
Who elects the parliament?
The EU commission does not vote on legislation it just imposes laws and threaties voted by the parliament that is elected by the people.
As if you are somenthing different than the hordes of Niggers and Turks
But is destroying what's in essence a good thing the solution?
EU has quite some problems, but given it's complexity and scale it's actually quite impressive.
You're not adressing my main points.
What if is useless, we need to work with what we have.
And no, Europe lost because we had two bloody conflicts where tens of millions died.
Now people like you wittingly or unwittingly desire a return to political culture that created those catastrophes.
You do not understand it but you're the gravediggers of Europe.
United Europe with the current countries having the same status as states in the US would be actually a good idea....
If the current politicians were actually qualified and took some responsibilities. First of all there are some serious problems with fail countries like greece: They shouldn't be included at start (they may have some different status) else they would drag the United Europe to the depths of hell (even harder than they are doing now).
Right now we have EU parlament with people like Martin Schulz (the candidate for chancelor in Germany now!!!) who go there, sign to get money and go home without even doing anything. This shit is more corrupt than druglords in Mexico.
Then we need the current politicians take responsibilities for their actions and of course be qualified. Just google for example who the minister of defence of germany is. With politicians who have no fucking clue what they are doing even their own country will go down, and you want whole EU.
As long as all those current corrupt politicians won't get jailed, dream of united europe will cease.
a federal union maybe but one superstate like America with a shitload off nig nogs and shitskins?no thanks.
We Europeans are more like a soccer team , when the game is on we stand together when the game is over some go in the club and others in the cafeteria.
That's not true, EC can issue regulations.
100% against
there is nothing linking me to any other ethnicity within the EU, I have no benefit from eternal QE of ECB, I have no say in Commission's retardedness and so on
>That's not entirely true though. Being part of the single market comes with a lot of strings attached regarding the ECJ which makes daily rulings on things that have fuck all to do with trade.
It also implies accepting freedom of movement which even if you argue that the movement of labour is part of the market, there is no reasonable explanation as to why people with criminal records are given those same privileges.
No one forces you to trade with the EU.
≥So you would be perfectly fine with in the future, handing over budgeting powers to Brussels? I mean, that's the single most important issue citizens vote on: how much taxes to pay, where to spend the money, whether to borrow more or cut etc. yet you don't see a problem with the Romanian government having no say on that and it all being delegated to a supranational entity?
Romania as any other EU member has the right to veto any big decision that is being considered. A right that UK used at it's fullest.(UK just vetoed the EU budget that won't even affect UK since it's for the next years)
We also have the European Parliament with elected mep from all of the member countries. That's the Brussels that I think of and I don't have any problem "handing" power to that.
Yes, absolutely. I know Guillaume Faye made the case for it (or even expanding it into Russia) in the 90's, but since then it has been shown time and time again that supranational institutions simply do not work, especially not in a democratically legitimate way.
The nation state remains the single largest functional entity a people can identify with. Cooperation yes, but without creating institutions above that will inevitably begin accumulating power they shouldn't have.
Imma need a source on that cause I can't find anything on their website.