When I smoked my first cigarette, they were like $1 a pack. Then they got rid of the super size at McDonald's. Then they limited the size of the soda you could buy in NY. Now they have a special tax for soda of any size in Philadelphia.
When will it end?!?
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They tax your pop? I thought we had it bad lmao
The free market will get rid of the people who smoke and eat burgers
Stop eating like an animal you obese americunt.
>pop
This is the worst meme.
They are not a good thing. Who defines sin? Chicago taxes per bottle of water as well.
You do have it bad, britcuck. This is only in a single city, Jew York.
What do you mean?
Grew up in Chicago. Can confirm it is actually called pop and you are a cunt.
>The free market
This is an interesting topic. It's the biggest reason I could never support socialized medicine for the general public. We all make choices in life and some people make bad choices. There's no reason their bad choices should affect my life.
All the things that sin taxes apply to increase health risks
Increased obesity and emphysema means more burgers in ER
More burgers in ER means less resources for non-preventable diseases and accidents
Less resources for non-preventable diseases and accidents increases insurance premiums for everyone
Even under single-payer universal healthcare, the easier it is to poison yourself, the more resources society has to waste healing you
If we lived in a magical world where you could return to full health just by visiting s hospital at no cost, then these taxes would not be justified
We don't, so they are
Of course you're still allowed the vice; maybe a better option would be to reward abstainers but that doesn't seem feasible either
It's a Midwest thing. Please don't hate us.
I'd fucking move
no they are liberal SJW bullshit
need a sin tax on McNuggets
because they lead to prostitution
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Extra tax on cigarets, fast-food, alcohol, etc. Mainly target the poor, this helps to keep the poor impoverished.
Its a socialist Ponzi scheme; they take with one hand and give with the other.
The government should cut all those taxes, this would lift millions out of poverty - thereby eliminating the need for food-stamps and social benefits - which should then be eliminated to finanse the loss in tax income.
What? Since when has this been a yank thing? I've been saying it my whole life
The reward should be feeling healthy. Being able to walk and work.
Fun fact: You don't HAVE to stop eating "junk" all together to be healthy. You can still have a few beers with the mates, have a slice of cake at a party, whatever. Just hit the gym, get some exercise and eat well the other 90% of the time.
Seriously is astonishing how fat we are in America. Just focus on peoples weight the next time your at Walmart or a grocery store. It's fucking scary.
They're a socialist principle.
In a truly free society, we're allowed to make all of our decisions, including decisions that may lead to self harm.
And California increased the smoker tax $2 a pack as well as increasing fuel costs on gas and Diesel. All of which makes it harder for anyone poor or working poor. And that only the beginning...
I actually have a good story on this which happened to me years ago:
>be me, on a business trip to chicago
>meeting is about to start, there are cans of various brands of soda out on the table for people
>guy from chicago walks in, goes "ohh nice, they got us pop"
>team member of mine, who is from the south says "i'm from the south, we just call it all 'coke'"
>i'm confused. I understand how you could say pop instead of soda, but if you call it all coke you couldn't distinguish between brands
>i say "so wait, if i'm going to a party and ask what i should bring, abd my friend says coke, what would he be expecting me to show up with?"
>immediately realize i made an inadvertant cocaine reference
>room is silent for a few seconds
>i recover with saying "i mean, how would he tell me to bring sprite?"
I'd say the McDonald's documentary had more to do with super size going away than any regulations.
>poor people HAVE to smoke
>poor people HAVE to eat fast food
Literal retards.
kek
its not NY faggot its NYC to control the mongs from diabeetus cuz the evil white man poisoning the cities!
This is so fucking retarded, it hurt my head.
>Extra tax on cigarets, fast-food, alcohol, etc. Mainly target the poor, this helps to keep the poor impoverished.
Or it helps to uplift the poor. Have they considered to STOP consuming cigarettes, fast-food & alcohol because not only it's unhealthy, but no longer affordable?
>Its a socialist Ponzi scheme; they take with one hand and give with the other.
Like taking to subsidise a free national health care while at the same time increasing health care costs through the prevalence of inexpensive, unhealthy smoking/drinking/eating options?
>The government should cut all those taxes, this would lift millions out of poverty - thereby eliminating the need for food-stamps and social benefits - which should then be eliminated to finanse the loss in tax income.
The government should tax all those things into submission, this would force those products out of the markets - thereby uplifting the poor into not being fat, flabby, lazy, smelly persons without control of their lives - which should then lift them out of poverty and the welfare rut.
...
>choosing to change your life for the worst
>gets mad when people are trying to stop you
>trying to make Americans skinnier is a bad thing
No one is poor because they are born that way.. they are poor because they are stupid. Poor people are like negros - half adults. They have limited control over their own life, they will drift like a plastic bag in the ocean and eventually they will all end up clustered around in some corner of the ocean.
They are what they are, their will always be people this way, one way or the other.
Just let them be, don't give them hand outs and don't steal from them. Lassie nous faire
It never ends, that is what people need to understand about the left. It is about ansolute, complete and total control of what you can do with your time, money, property and resources. You are free to make decisions for yourself even when they may not be food for you, you still have that right. Its about freedom of choice, and the left wants to micromange it, until there is a total loss of freedom and of choice.
Many poor people are lazy, not all stupid, my dear Dencuck.
sin taxes are perfectly fiine, as long as they don't tax your income as well.
if they tax your income, fuck them
>Americans have gotten skinnier as a result
Pigouvian taxes were always fine.
taxation is theft, same with sin taxes
obesity is also a self-inflicted disease and no benefits should be given
With you doing shady deals with the food truck to buy an illegal burger and fries meal before the cops show up.
this sounds a lot like my Philosophy teacher at MD.
Good man. Blatantly topics.
yes they are. look at the average American, sadly we're a nation of fat dumb retards and since personal responsibility or healthy eating is too hard we have to stem the tide of obesity and ill health some how. the problem with sin taxes though is that we all know the governments that collect them aren't going to spend them for the original purpose they will be spent for whatever the government wants
This. Its never ending and thats what people need to understand. You give them an inch and they will take a mile. What americunts dont understand what is so insidious about government run healthcare is the creeping effect it has into the personal life of everyone it covers.
Americans are all about that freedom and thats what it was founded on, youre responsible for your own shit. You are free to do what you want as long as you pay the cost. Smoke like a chimney? nothing wrong if you dont expect someone else to pay for your lung transplant. Eat like a fat fuck? If you can afford the scooter to carry your fat arse around there is nothing wrong with this inb4 hurrr degeneracy. Degeneracy is this but expecting people to cover your 3rd bypass. A man who fully accepts the consequences of his actions and accommodates them is a free and responsible man.
When you accept government into your healthcare system you get shit like sin taxes, government begins controlling the choices of the people for "the greater good". Take a look here in australia where one cannot ride a bicycle without a helmet without getting fined. A pack of smokes costs over $30 at this point. Night clubs close at 1am because of safety reasons. I dont do any of these things but the creep onto the freedoms of your people is inevitable when you give them control of your life. They can justify all sorts of bans and taxes when you give them control over your health and thats why sin taxes exist when they have control of your health.
People like to talk about cuban healthcare and life expectancy. Yeah its better but at what cost? Is it better to die young and free or live to 100 with total government control? Its the same shit with all these commie countries, they boast their amazing literacy rates but you need to wonder, is it better to be able to read and have nothing but the great works of fidel castro volumes 1-10 to read or to be illiterate in the free library of the world.
>irrational taxes
>"good"
no. just make it legal for insurance companies to deny you coverage and for hospitals to refuse to treat you if you are not insured. literally problem solved overnight.
Sin taxes sound GREAT.
This seems to be the only way to ever get your health costs under control but can you ever imagine proposing this? kek
Hopefully those poor rise up and do to you what they always do to snobby rich and it's not pretty.
You always think your untouchable but your not and history always repeats itself with people like you.
This. But there should be some perÃods of taxation. I believe creating a special tax for eastern, for example, would be a good thing to remind of moderation.
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Fixed.
Tax is theft. Period.
>room is silent for a few seconds
They just couldn't answer. You're fine bro.
I'm from Chicago. It's pop. Also, it's going to be taxed at a penny per ounce in July for all who live here.
No because who defines what is a sin and what is not? Any time you allow the government to make a decision like that you are giving them more power.
whats wrong with government all this power? what could possibly go wrong
why are you so eager to poison yourself? are you not retarded enough already?
The reward should not be a longer life spent permanently supporting the subhumans unable to distinguish between short and long term fulfillment
It ends when Americans stop being fat fucks.
Clearly you guys can't control your eating so the government needs to step in. It costs non fat people money and wastes tax dollars because y'all putting strain on public benches , driving everywhere , bitching about needing bigger airplane seats , DESTROYING public washrooms.
Yeah you should get fucking taxed for eating garbage. I'll pay the little extra for the once a year I eat garbage.
>When will it end
When your down to a reasonable weight and
don't wheeze when getting on your mobility scooter.
Burgerboy Mc Spaghetti pockets
Being a fat fuck is literally listed as a sin in the Bible.
- Don't kills people
- don't be a fat fuck
One can only wonder...
>Autogenocide is "the mass killing by a government or regime of a section of its own people".[33] The term was coined in the latter half of the 1970s to describe the actions of the Khmer Rouge government of Cambodia, to distinguish such acts from the genocide of groups considered "other" by a government, such as the killing of Jews and people of Slavic origin by Nazi Germany.[34]
>be american
>become obese on burgers
>get called a sinner
>get taxed by the government
>cant stop eating burgers so just become poorer
>cant afford health care and die
Degenerate behavior should be heavily taxed. Only lolbertarians or other retards disagree
>so the government needs to step in.
anybody who sees a problem and has the first instinct of government intervention is fucking insane
>regresive taxation on consumption
>socialist
In america "socialist" is just a word for "anything i dont like"
In Canada they have to wear a helmet to walk around. Its called a spacka hat.
You don't need cigarettes nor soda.
>When will it end?!?
When the government isn't subsidizing people poor eating choices. Then they can stop with the taxing of the fat-foods.
They are absolutely a good thing. Tax breaks for good health would be a good thing, too.
>need
christ
I am from the Midwest and we call it soda.
You're right. Drinking pop makes you fat (kinda like eating McShit). Being fat is a meme. Being fat is the worst meme.
Wisconsincuck please go.
People should have the freedom to sin and choose not to, because the inability to sin means you are incapable of virtue. You do not put a criminal murderer in bondage and commend him for docility. A society needs to be capable of harming and being harmed so that the stupid, weak, and cruel will die, and the smart, strong, and kind will thrive and procreate. The "sin tax" is an effort on part of the weak and rich perverts in power to play God.
A society needs stupid people too to specialise in a respective "stupid-people" job. If you care about your people and nation, you must care about the lower echelons as well.
We are in agreement, the poor and stupid have the mindset of children. If you leave children to be responsible for themselves, they will eat ice-cream 3 times a day and drown in their own mess, just like poor/fat/stupid people wear stained sweatpants, smoke, drink and eat fried chicken.
The goal is to GUIDE them to the road to self actualisation, which means eliminating fast food, smoking and alcohol because they can't control their little feelings. There is literally nothing wrong with regulating harmful habits.
I was fucking ecstatic when smoking was banned from public places, because it not only harms the cunts, it harms others around including myself. Wild savages like that must be controlled by an iron fist, no matter how state-phobic Sup Forums is, sometimes it's necessary.
Thats why it isnt financed. The question is, should it be taxed?
Maybe if people got tax breaks for making good health decisions, we'd be less fat shits. Exercise is something anyone not disabled can do after all, there is no reason to be obese aside from laziness, so they should carry the greater tax burden.
There should be a sin tax on gambling, drugs, and alcohol, but not on sugary/fattening food. You'll just end up hurting the poor.
On the other hand there should be massive sin taxes for usury
It's to make you less fat burger. You fat burgers eat burgers everyday and then you use medicare when you get a heart attack, cancer, strokes... because of that diet.
And then you whine about some extra soda taxesplayikg the victim.
>Then they got rid of the super size at McDonald's.
It was a bad idea from the start because the United States as a whole is not Texas manifest. The U.S. had an obesity crisis as the fattest nation in the world (before Mexico took over), and the Morgan Spurlock documentary didn't help.
>Then they limited the size of the soda you could buy in NY.
For a time, and it was an ordinance enforced at restaurants only. You could continue to buy whatever size was available (typically 2Ls) at grocery marts and convenience stores. It was ruled unconstitutional and it is no longer enforced.
>Now they have a special tax for soda of any size in Philadelphia
Ah yes, charged at the distributor level. That means the poorest people, typically but not exclusively the people on food stamps, can continue to buy it on the taxpayer dime. A government overreach poised as a government solution for a government-caused problem: mismanagement. Cook County (Chicago) is also applying it to a broader set of products, but again, won't be taxed to food stamp holders because they pay no sales taxes on groceries.
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>Mainly target the poor, this helps to keep the poor impoverished
Are you sure?
>cigarets
Pay for county-level anti-smoking cession products. The actual smoking is the main cost: the tax is extra.
>fast-food
Typically just a sales tax with an added bonus for being a restaurant, typically applied on a municipal level. Pays for sidewalks, muh roads, muh transit systems, muh municipality offices, and muh liberries. Get rid of this source of income, you have to resort to other taxes or private funding.
>alcohol
Same deal, just taxed more aggressively as alcohol is proven to be more dangerous when consumed than fast-food. Most people don't get DUIs or into fights after eating a few burgers.
I'm not fat. I refuse to pay a fucking dime more in taxes because someone else is retarded, which is also why I oppose socialized healthcare
>special tax for soda
I dont understand. Dont you guys subsidize sugar heaps? and now youre taxing it on the other end of the transaction? This seems odd
Well then you should end medicare.
This. The idea that me and you should pay double to grab some sodas the next time we eat because some fat fuck across the country cant stop drinking them is insane
No, they do nothing to discourage the behavior they speak of
They're just revenue streams for bad leftist policies rather than any actual desire to reduce harmful action
I'm sure the suger kikes are good friends with some poeople in congress.
> First instinct
Yeah, because asking Americans not to eat garbage has worked well.
Like hey maybe people don't know being super overweight is bad?
Maybe America wouldn't be so fucking fat if the gov stepped in faster. It's clear, burgers can't be trusted to make smart eating choices.
Well fat people put strain on lots of shit besides healthcare. Just roads, public utilities like tolite , benches, etc.
Like it or not you're paying for that
No. Having a powerful government that tries to enourage or discourage certain behavior through tax or penalties is only good when you agree with that government.
But one day they'll be voted out, and some other political group will have the power to do all that, and maybe they decide that ideologically motivated things need to be encouraged or discouraged, or things that aren't that harmful.
Strong government is only good when you agree with the government
>he needs a licence to watch the telly
Look my point is this.
You are not going to be able to end medicare. Even many affluent republicans support it because they are old and fat and so they are on it.
You should end it because it's going to blow up eventually, but it would be political suicide so no one is going to do it until it's too late.
So, you might as well make the fattis pay a bit more into the system.
You have to be realistic about these things.
They're needed as long as there's publicly funded healthcare.
I'd prefer no economic disincentives and just let fatties, smokers, alcoholics and other degenerates destroy their bodies even more than they do now with no public healthcare to bail them out.
Shit makes no sense. Use taxpayer money to make it dirt cheap then stop people buying it by adding taxes onto it. The sugar industry must have some amazing lobbying skill
They dont need to be asked to eat shit if they dont want to. what about personal freedom irks you so much? Is it that people do things you disagree with? That people exercise free will in a way you dont like? No person on earth doesnt know being fat is bad for you but they continue to do it. Thats their choice as dumb as it may be. Stop advocating for government intervention into peoples personal choices in their spare time
>Be bong
> Be skinny fat
>Be eating more chips than fish
>Be fat malnourished island fag
>Be lazy monarchist
>Be weak minded government slut
> Be government health Care cuck
>Dont you guys subsidize sugar heaps
Historically we've subsidized corn (which can be made into HCFS, used in most soda) at the federal level, and a lot of it. However data is flaky in terms of how: nowadays because of the budget sequester it looks like it's only insurance payments government is subsidizing.
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>and now youre taxing it on the other end of the transaction? This seems odd
It's a municipality-level tax, not at a federal level. Federal government does not give a fuck if you drink soda or not: evidenced in the fact that you can by nearly anything labeled as food that isn't made hot or to be eaten on-premises.
the soda one is so that people with low incomes are forced to drink the fluoride water. And then the food is because they need a healthy labor force that they can control not fat blobs who can't be productive.
No because fatfucks shouldn't make my occasional enjoyment of fast food more expensive
You never know goy, the sugar industry successfully bribed most scientists to pinning dietary problems on fat for around two decades.
youre 100% right but dont you feel bad caving in? To give in is to simply walk further down the road to serfdom. These programs dont end like you said so rather than letting it collapse youd rather let it trudge along fed by new taxes on things?
Being realistic and caving in to keep feeding a failing system isnt a good thing friend. You and i know nothing short of a system collapse or civil war will fix their system which im sure will be painful but its that or they just keep taxing and taxing until america is a memory
>When your down to a reasonable weight
I hope this is just a dumb shitpost, but there are people out there that actually believe the government is trying to "help" people by doing that. In reality, the government is just using that excuse as a pretext to find further ways to tax us in order to line their pockets. They'd never do away with such a thing once it's implemented and as time goes on, they'll try and find other things to tax using "progress" as a pretext to fuck us over. I wouldn't be surprised if the next democratic president introduces a condom tax because "men need to start taking accountability for the wage gap somehow."
Aye
Unfortunately. We should cut off all benefits for fat people, to disincentivize being fat
>So, you might as well make the fattis pay a bit more into the system.
Fine, make a fat tax, not a food tax. My options should not be made more limited because others overconsume. They'll do that with any food or drink