Ever feel like you just can't win at debating politics?

Ever feel like you just can't win at debating politics?

Well just say "it has never been tried before' and you win automatically

Exactly!

what do you mean

no wonder you dont "win", lurk more, dont be a fucking faggot, who cares about winning or losing, or respect, we are in a shithole, nobody gives a fuck

how so

how would you define "winning?" converting the entire world to your own way of thinking? because if so then no, you can't win

I can't argue with idiots

What about you?

I mean using common sense on others and then everyone resorting to name calling as a retort. Like rationality is dead.

All it takes to win an argument on Sup Forums is to accuse the poster of being JIDF or a shill and you won the argument hands down.

Bonus points for ignoring any arguments that were given, and insult the poster as much as you can.

Debating politics is the special Olympics.
Even if you win, you still fucking retarded.

Fuck off shill.

jidf shill pls go
first intelligent post i've ever seen from canada

No, because I'm good at debating.

get off your fucking horse, and then get out

You can't because you're debating L v. R when it's really about G v. E.

OP seems alright to me, on the other hand I suggest you never browse Sup Forums again.

Not even once. You must be a shitlib.

what's your problem? hard day at the rum distillery?

WRONG AGAIN FUCK NUT.

you disapoint

your comment
yes, I am wrong.....god...no wonder why you never manage to discuss, you people are so egocentric, that if other people dont use the logic as you, you dismiss them as "irrational", this is why you always lose, up there in your high horse talking down to the plebs, everybody hates you.

Depend on what you are debating, you can not defend communism, are you doing that user? Couse you know it has never been tried before.

kek

>using facts on somebody overtly emotionally attached to an issue

even if you are right and they are wrong, they are emotionally invested. You can't change somebody's stupid feelings with just words, especially if they feel like you are attacking them

OP and faggots like you, and the frenchfag are my problem, people who think the world needs to accommodate to them

people who dismiss everything they dont understand as "irrational"

fbpb

If you can't win a debate, just turn to violence and call your group "anti-violence".

You don't really have to win. Most people are comfortable in their worldviews, and the thought of anything being contrary to it enrages them, and no amount of debate is really going to change that. The person in question has to have a desire to look at the other side, a desire to change their mindset, which usually happens after a major life event.

That's why instead, your goal is to just plant the seed. Don't go into a debate thinking "I'm going to change this person's mind," just go into it thinking "I'm going to let this person know that an alternative to their thought pattern exists, and hopefully one day they make the conscious effort to explore it."

>OP and faggots like you
what kind of faggot am i? you know literally nothing about me. but i know you have an attitude problem

>((((debating)))) politics
You mean, emotionally bullying anyone who's not a progressive? Last time I checked 90% of the people cannot and do not want to distinguish right from wrong objectively.

>stealing from people is wrong and forced taxation is wrong
>"yeah but you are child and we can't have a society that minimizes theft and also that would turn the real world into mad max"

>social security is a ponzi scheme and its just a subsidy from the young to the old; the money you put there is not yours nor is it proportional to how much you contributed to the government
>"woah, you sure hate old people. In our modern civilized societies, we take care of our fellow older men and women"

Basically, if everyone gave a fuck about being mildly rational and non-bullshitter in politics, everyone would be a libertarian extremist and almost no debate would be required.

You call the color pink feminine and they will say that color and gender are both just spectrums and it's more complicated and nuanced. They're indoctrinated relativizers on a post-modernist frenzy.

Stop focusing on winning logical positions- leftists don't operate on logic, and so won't respond accordingly. Win by ridiculing their beliefs via analogies and irl greentexting to point out the double standards and absurdity in their positions. They'll get really mad and irrational, if they lack intellectual honesty. If not, they'll argue themselves into a corner, and you can further point out the absurdity of their arguments. Done this enough times in real life.

Either way, you win.

So basically, on top of dismissing people with namecalling and elementary school level sarcasm, you dismiss anyone who cast doubt on your namecalling and insults as "arrogant" and you childishly insult him by claiming everyone hates him.

It seems like you're egocentric and devoid of empathy, indeed.

>people who think the world needs to accommodate to them
You're good at describing yourself.

>people who dismiss everything they dont understand as "irrational"
I'm pretty sure namecalling is very easy to understand, though. The very aggressive way you judge people's characters and dismiss them as "arrogant" for no actual reason is easy to understand as well.
You're irrational, deal with it.

>tfw have never felt this
master linguist with a shitty verbal IQ when not forming arguments.
Winning is something you can't easily measure, and most of the time you can't say you've "won" in a sense of really beating another person. You don't fight the person, you fight the ideology and prove to spectators.

I never debate the person, I win the crowd.

I hate people who honestly don't use evidence and attempt to live in their own fantasy world.

everytime i try, the person just makes assumptions about me, attacks that assumption, and closes down any attempt i make at trying to point out that they're not actually attacking my ideas but a strawman, so i've given up.

no actually I am a fantastic debater

follow these three guidelines

1.) keep it short and succint, people don't have the time/intellect to understand your manifestos, make it short
2.)people feel before they think, you need to constantly appeal to peoples basic empathy, its why liberals always win
3.) don't lose your cool/play defensive. this is done by knowing what you are talking about and not exxagerating or making excuses or lies

>Ever feel like you just can't win at debating politics?

No, I didn't go to SHILL UNI

Serious advice, don't look at it as winning against the opponent. Think of the debate more about convincing the audience watching. If you can chink a few of their arguments during it, those watching can still be influenced to a degree, even if your debate later gets weaker as goal posts generally move about or topics change direction.

hahah you are the ones crying about how you cant "win" debates

having that mentality to begin with is very arrogant
>You're irrational, deal with it.

you are a snowflake

hey frenchy, how does it feel going from a practically crime-less and safe country, to knowing that anyday in the street you or your family can be ran over by a maniac, or raped and killed right in front of your eyes?

(you)
>that happened before immigration as well, anyone can have an accident

me

>hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha stay cucked

Indeed, in formal debates, it is the adjudicator who determines the validity of your arguments, not the opposition.

What more, in purely numerical terms, it is also better to convince even a modest crowd of ~.5 of a dozen than one single interlocutor/opponent.

As for OP's deficient ability to debate, I advise that he study Greco-Roman rhetoric and dialectics.
I won't go into much detail but you essentially wish to incorporate Logos (reason), Ethos (putting the audience in a certain mood, etc.), and Pathos (appeal to emotion).

For further knowledge read 'On Rhetoric' by Aristotle, 'De oratore' by Cicero, and the Socratic Dialogues.

ask your handler.

*What's more

Maybe you would look less irrational if you could do something other than dismissing entire posts as "arrogant" and throwing elementary school levels taunts and insults.

Are you alright? On top of being irrational, you're also barely hiding the fact you're a bad guy.

The key to debating is to never get mad and to act smug as hell. You never will get the other guy to admit being wrong. You can however have them flip out irrationally and freak out the crowd around them. It's not hard with liberals. Also knowing what talking points are BS helps too. Question everything they state is fact. Almost every liberal two months ago said the #1 source of illegal immigration is overstayed visas. Weak people took this as fact but if you researched it there was nothing that supported it and no liberal could produce a stat. They just all repeated it because it sounded nice. They have since stopped saying that.

The power of Christ compels you JIDF

lol you cant make this shit up, let me recap what just happened

>why cant I win debates, reeeeeeeee

cause you are a faggot who feels the need to win in the first place

>you are being irrational

*trolls you*

>you are a bad person


thank you, this is what i live for

hey, I am actually sorry for what I said about your country. I wish it wasn't like that and I genuinely hope you can get your shit together and live pass this troublesome times.

>lol you cant make this shit up, let me recap what just happened
I suggesting improving your intelligence first instead of writing like an elementary schooler. I'm not talking about your grammar by the way.

>cause you are a faggot who feels the need to win in the first place
That wording might sound awkward but OP isn't wrong. Also, it wasn't even my own phrasing in the first place. You lack the ability to understand things properly.

>*trolls you*
"Trolling" means "acting like a retard", go away.

>you are a bad person
Just go away.

I never said anything about my political opinionin, you might be a troll but you're still a retard, go away.

Hey I am not assuming your politcal position, I am taking about the country in general and said I wish you can make it out of this one.
I gave you my hand in good will, and you spit on my face

dont say we are the bad guys

I am going now, I hope you can read the thread again and find what you look for, you poor troubled soul.

No. I've always had a knack for it, but I consider winning to be proving the other person wrong or making them give up and feel bad, not "winning them over", which doesn't interest me.

he's right, you know

Stop being wrong. That helps.

To win a debate is to lose. No one likes it when their rhetoric fails, no likes being made to look foolish. It doesn't matter if you're morally of factually correct. Why do you think people get angry over the course of political discussions? They're not angry because you're stubbornly wrong, they're angry because they have been forced to examine the errors of their conclusions. That's why people get pissed, that's why political debates and discussions are awkward.