Why are we not funding this?

Why are we not funding this? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendelstein_7-X

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>when you use the wrong picture
>who am i quoting

quality burger post. top notch. no, really.

>german nuclear fission reactor
>uses more energy than it produces

sounds like something so useless only a german could have invented it

youtu.be/YHpbXtDtcoY?t=7636

big energy companies don't want fusion to ever come about

too true too true

get educated sun

So it's just to test limits on new reactor components?

whoops forgot link en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power

Why fusion when there is plenty of shit left to fission?

well hypothetically we could figure out how to make it sustainable
i mean we have the damn thing
now we can perfect it
dont you see?

a fucking LEAF

>m

DEATH TO PHONEPOSTERS

(((Wendelstein)))

We are.

The tech is already done. But at a certain point rapid progress must be tempered with the understanding that people have limits to what they can handle in a lifetime.

memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/First_Contact_(episode)

It's a fusion reactor, and so far they all use more energy than they produce. If they were energy-positive we'd all be using fusion power already.

wait what. YOU TAKE THAT BACK!! REEEEEEEEEE

literally infinite energy

...

What do you expect from such a poorly educated country? Daily reminder the USA has the highest number of full grown adults who believe in angels.

>he still thinks stars are big fusion balls!

>What did you expect
I don't know anymore...

Because the problem with fusion is that loads of money has been pumped into it and we still haven't achieved even energy neutral fusion.
Maybe in another 10-20 years we may actually produce energy from fusion but until then the next best thing is fission.

Fusion reactors don't produce shitloads of highly radioactive waste like fission reactors do. They still produce some low-level waste from supporting core components getting bombarded with neutrons, but there's no hot fuel cores to reprocess or store indefinitely.

They're also incapable of causing a massive nuclear disaster like Chernobyl or Fukushima, though a minor leak like Three Mile Island would still be possible and enough for environmentalists to freak out about.

>fusion reactor
>uses more energy then it creates

That's pleb shit, keep up with the times user. Everyone knows compact fusion is where it is at.

lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html?

We are going to the stars user, its the next great colonization effort.

>en.m.
Get the fuck out of here phonefaggot

american here. i love you retarded pepe

Plasma physics guy here - we are.

There are three major plasma groups from the labs at Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, and Princeton collaborating with the Germans on the project, and about a half a dozen smaller groups from different research school, including mine. I know three grad students in my department who are working on W7-X. Two of them went out last year for the ignition and another going out next month. Our department's fusion group is spending a small fortune working on a new X-Ray diagnostic for the Germans. There are also plenty of domestic fusion projects here in the states: DIII-D, NSTX, HSX, CTH, SSPE, LSX, etc etc etc


Also ask me shit I guess, got nothing better to do. My area's not fusion, but I know enough about it to answer plenty of questions about it, and whatever other physics/plasma physics questions you guys have.

Physics professor and director of the UK's national Fusion laboratory Steven Cowley called for more data, pointing out that the current thinking in fusion research is that "bigger is better". Other fusion reactors achieve 8 times improvement in heat confinement when machine size is doubled.[14]

because the US has traditionally been investing in inertial confinement.

Which we are going to get working in the next couple years.

Two times world war champs indeed.

Lets now watch some sad europoors.

click on that 14 and post the website. I wanna see the source.

if you go at speed of light
and turn on flash light

what happen?

>UK's national Fusion laboratory Steven Cowley called for more data

That's all the britcucks do, is blather on about "need more data", we will be exploring the stars while they are still fapping to Diana porn.

What school do you go to and how did you first get involved in this?

Because Lockheed Martin is working on fusion reactor, and they own half of Congress.

Aussiefag-Lite confirmed
How'd you learn to stop banging sheep and use the internet?

OP, the problem is its fucking hard, and expensive.
And renewables have much more potential for graft.

Plasma Physics Guy - whats your opinion on
Tri Alpha and the new google Apollo Fusion startups?

next up people will think I'm jewish because my last name is stauffenberg.

Is physics degree a meme? know anything about biophysics or its market? I need to find a good science career ty desu~

And they always will use more energy than they produce, unless you can magically create a massive gravity well localized entirely within the reactor.

They all do. Only a handful of experiments have come close to producing a net positive output so far, and most of those were very small scale tests. There's still a lot of engineering hurdles that we need to overcome.

No, but definitely very high, efficient yields if we can work out the bugs.

>Fusion reactors don't produce shitloads of highly radioactive waste like fission reactors do.
Yes, but they do actually produce power.

>stauffen(((berg)))

What do you think of General Fusion's approach?

>implying you don't think she was beautiful and fapworthy

>banging sheep

Is this 1997? Oh is that joke still actually used...

How did you learn to stop fucking blood relatives and start using a walmart mobility scooter?

>In more than half of all U.S. states, the highest paid public employee in the state is a football coach.

Where is the proof to not believe in angels? There is none. Jesus is the way, user.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin#Corruption_investigations
lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html?

>Emad El-Din Mohamed Abdel Muna'im Al-Fayed

Coal-burner

>into the trash

The light goes at the speed of light. Also you lose some of your momentum.

>What school do you go to and how did you first get involved in this?
Not comfortable with saying where, but I got involved in a very roundabout way. I originally went to school for a liberal arts degree (I was young and foolish!) and when I realized my mistake too late I had a choice between either giving up and spending the next ten years working graveyard shifts at a gas station hoping for something better to come along or take a stab at something completely different. I rolled the dice and gave physics a stab and was lucky enough to discover I was actually... well, 'good' might be stretching it... let's say 'vaguely competent' at it.

Not familiar with it, but as long as it's being handled by people who know what they're doing instead of a scam like that solar roadway shit, I'm all for more fusion research, public or private.

You forgot to tell him that he and his flashlight can't go at the speed of light because their mass-energy would be infinite.

I DO NOT KNOWIO

it's just a tokamak. They've been built before.

Protip: they always explode.

>Where is the proof to not believe in angels?
Burger-tier thought process

>Is physics degree a meme?
No, but it's not easy. I'm not someone who came from a real science/math background. My whole family is mostly teachers, farmers, and small business types. It's been a constant uphill battle keeping up with everyone else and holding my own. If physics was easy everybody would do it. That said, if you can hold your own, the job market is definitely there. I'm getting my MS this week and starting work on my PhD over the summer and I'm already getting offers for adjunct and industry work.

>know anything about biophysics or its market?
Biophysics is kind of a hot topic right now. A lot of departments are looking for people to bring on, and a lot of biotech industries are looking for people from physics and engineering backgrounds to bring some fresh perspectives and skill sets to their companies.

Not super familiar with it. Fusion isn't my area of focus, I deal mostly with laboratory and complex plasmas.

Details, details.

so you say your working on it
what do you do?

Thanks friend

Didn't say I was working on it, I said I know people who are. Most schools that do plasma physics will have two or three different groups. Mine has a fusion group, a space plasma group, and a laboratory plasma group - I'm in that one, but I know people in the fusion and space groups. Most of the fusion group works on diagnostics. They have a big machine on site that they use for doing testing, and every now and then they'll send a group to DIII-D or W7-X to install the finished hardware.

No problem, good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Think of an experiment
Perform Experiment
Analyze results
See what could be done to improve results
Think of a new experime......

Goes on for a while, at least until you get VC funding or NSF cuts off your funds an fires everyone

The vacuum chamber (and related parts) that are just in the picture are probably somewhere in the $200k range.

what do you do in the laboratory plasma group?

Why don't we force fat people to generate electricity until they aren't fat?

Then why do you think we don't have fusion power plants all over the place genius?

Wendelstein is only for experiments and the like anyways, it was never intended for actual power generation, that's ITER.

Why do you not provide some form of evidence then?

its the same as solar, the energy needed to make those bikes and herd all the fatasses on them is less then what they will output.

I mean, unless we can get subsedies for it?
In that case you should check out my new healthy renewable energy company

Bike-cyl-indra. For a mere $500 million dollar investment I will put together a cutting edge factory of bikes to shed the fat away in luxurious conditions and sell the electricity to the government for a buck a kilowatt/hr.

because you fucking idiot it sets a precedent. pretty soon retards will be strapped to bike to generate our electricity, which would leave you personally shit out of luck and strapped to a bike. not to mention after factoring in every variable it would be a net loss. fat people dont make efficient batteries.

There is a rick and morty about this actually.

It's a stellarator, not a tokamak

Currently working on a modified theory of plasma charging - how small particles immersed in the plasma absorb charge and perturb their surroundings - been making excellent progress so I plan on moving into experimental work for the dissertation.

It's got some potential applications for industrial plasma processing and dealing with impurities in fusion plasmas, so I'm confident I'll be able to get funding for it.


ITER worries the hell out of me. It's behind schedule, overbudget, and dealing with all the international treaty bullshit has turned it into a bureaucratic nightmare. I'm all for collaboration, but only when it helps projects more than it hinders.

>tfw USA was almost the leader in particle accelerators

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider

How much should a country throw down for scientific research that may or may not bear fruits in the short term?

Yup, generally much better confinement but harder to build and super fucked up coordinate systems to deal with.

All large-scale projects suffer from the same problems - they take an extremely long time and a lot of money to get done and it's usually a long time before they start yielding applicable results... which leaves a lot of time for the people footing the bill to get anxious about it and change their minds.

It's why NASA has such a hard time getting shit done - it takes a decade to put together a major mission, but they've got to deal with agendas changing every couple of years.

i think all of it
a country should throw down everything for the preservation of man and the drive forward

(((Stein)))

whatever nigga

Distinction without a difference. Lose magnetic confinement of just a few particles and you create an ion trail for more to follow to escape confinement. Then you have stuff roughly at a million degrees c in contact with your equipment, and there's no material on earth that can withstand that, cryogenics or not. Next thing is plasma contact with the atmosphere and a hole in your reactor. The good news is that only lasts for a fraction of a second. The bad news is it immediately blows everything all to pieces, and anyone even remotely near the reactor is burnt toast.

I'm sorry that your friends are going to die, but you should probably get ready for their loss now.

>Don't follow god
>Believe in nothing like everyone else
no

>The tech is already done. But at a certain point rapid progress must be tempered with the understanding that people have limits to what they can handle in a lifetime.

Some people can handle more than others in a lifetime, user.

>Big energy companies don't want a device that lets them literally print money

HMMMMMMMmmmmm

Hey man, those fighters are expensive. You gotta spend a little on advertising.

For the amount of money we spend on social security we could build many accelerators, deep space missions, longetevity research etc

instead we waste it.

Get back to the middle ages with you, mong user.
You don't deserve to walk the earth with us educated people.

>Distinction without a difference.
Whole point of the stellarator geometry is that it negates most of the drift forces that are a problem with the tokamak geometry

>Then you have stuff roughly at a million degrees c in contact with your equipment, and there's no material on earth that can withstand that, cryogenics or not.
They solved this shit more than 20 years ago. Limiters and divertors along the edges of the plasma channel anything that escapes core confinement to separate channels where it can cool and be removed from the chamber. It's how they get rid of impurities and it's how they deal with most losses in confinement.

>*along the edges of the chamber

*teleports behind you*

>instead we waste it
completley agreed
the question is.. on what?

W78 Mk4 with "super-fuze"

how do I start?

Simply how long until we have commercial fusion?

Thorium.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power

>Thorium meme
There's a reason why it hasn't happened yet

>mobile version

God damnit, get a fucking computer.

Yeah!

THE ILLUMINATEEE!

AHHHHH!

Start what?

No fucking clue. It's not simply a matter of "throw money at this and something will develop", while the basic physical principles of nuclear fusion are relatively straightforward, the complicated and sometimes unexpected physics that results from trying to reproduce it in a controlled setting, and the engineering hurdles in trying to make it work efficiently are proving to be less easy to overcome than people hoped 50 years ago. MHD is a fickle bitch.

I'll take Thorium seriously when someone's developed a working industrial-scale reactor design. Until then we need to put more money into uranium fission.

how do i start down the path of fusion energy and how do I go about getting a stronger understanding of physics?

>how do i start down the path of fusion energy
1) Take gas
2) Compress gas until it reaches temperatures high enough that the probability of the atomic nuclei quantum tunneling across the potential barrier from Coulomb repulsion becomes non-negligible
3) Fusion
So simple a star can do it.

>how do I go about getting a stronger understanding of physics?
Read... a lot.

If you're looking for a good introductory text, look online for a pdf copy of Physics, Vol I and II by Halliday, Resnik, and Krane. Pretty solid textbook, I think a lot of undergraduate programs still use it for their intro-tier physics courses. Covers all of mechanics (kinematics, forces, work and energy, momentum, harmonic motion), basic fluids and thermodynamics, electricity and magnetism, simple circuits, optics, and some modern physics.

will those books give me a strong enough foundation to dive into plasma physics? if not. what should I read after?

youtube.com/watch?v=bDhHK8nk_V0&t=12s

The page you linked says we are funding it.

Depends on how deep you want to go. If you want to have a good foundation on the E&M you could take a look at Griffiths Introduction to Electrodynamics.

If you want a good intro text for plasma physics, Francis Chen is the sort of go to classic text, but Alexander Piel's book has also become quite popular. Chen has the advantage of having a whole second volume on controlled fusion.

The main thing you have to bear in mind going into this is the amount of physics and math involved. You need to have a pretty fair grasp of vector calculus, fluid dynamics, and E&M in order to understand most of the derivations involved in MHD

If you're just looking for a sort of basic qualitative discussion of fusion, I'd say check out what they've got at your public library.