Private Military Contractors

Are PMCs just Mercenaries? Should they be legal to be used around the world? Are they good or bad people?

Is the United States the only nation that hires PMCs? If no, which other countries do? Have PMCs been used in Syria?

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Every question you have is answered in a documentary called "Shadow Company"
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Its a bit dated but the PMC game is mostly over now. We finished selling iraq a new country so gone are the days where any cop could switch to the PMC side and get an M4 and 160k/6mo contract.

Russians are trying to legalize these private military companies so they are sort of legal grey area in russia right now. Groups like Wagner in RU have a good chance to become something big. (youtube.com/watch?v=HvW3OBJDVS8)

Sand people try to hire PMCs but they end up being shitty africans led by a couple good men. You frequently see them get killed by surface to surface missile strikes by iranian backed rebels.

Why do all PMCs look like Chad's?

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>t. Guy who worked with DynCorp stateside staging agencies to provide first 24hr logistics 06-12

Already watched it.

It's too outdated.

> PMC game is over now

Why? Tons of nations are in a state of war, and wherever there is war, there is a profit to be made. And those that want to make a profit require men to do the task.

If other nations/organizations hire American PMCs, will the US government consider them hostiles?

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Im going to bed but you have most of the answers there. Like I said contracting is at a low right now and really isnt as hot as it used to be. Lots of low intensity stuff in north africa due to oil iraq/syria is a little too hot for PMCs. You have some guys backing the saudis in yemen and the usual private "security" teams globally but it is nowhere near the oldschool blackwater videos.
>Why? Tons of nations are in a state of war, and wherever there is war, there is a profit to be made.
If your country is at war it is either poor or rich, if its rich your military has a 99% chance of holding its own against rebels or other aggressors. If it is poor (syria) your military is most likely in a shit position and going to collapse regardless of how many PMCs are added (Libya). You lose a guerilla battle as soon as you add foreign PMC boots on the ground, the international community and your own citizens will grow suspicious.
>And those that want to make a profit require men to do the task.
Unless your country is Sup Forums you probably have people reproducing and creating more men who are part of your country. Its not rocket appliances.
>If other nations/organizations hire American PMCs, will the US government consider them hostiles?
Not really but most of these stick to American interests. There would be domestic pressure on logistics, financial and other stateside services required to support the guys on the ground if something nasty came up. Rarely have PMCs acted against established interests (executive outcomes, american citizens in rhodesia,etc) and every time they have faced some major issues.

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Why is it mainly westerners that join PMC outfits? Where are the Pajeet, chink, and South American PMCs?

It seems like mainly US, UK, and Australia are PMCs. Not much from anyone else.

Here is an American, and Russian PMC. Funny, the Russian is using US Kevlar.

other people are too busy raping sheep and goats and living in fly-infested mud huts

Not much better than Delta for your resume. Nost of your job is training the actual pogs that will be defending the joint.

They do hire mercs. It just so happens that American/Brit pmcs show up in controversial wars.

There are lots of south american mercenaries.

>PMC game is mostly over now

No the fuck it isn't. The issue is that now you need to have a SOF type background to get hired. It used to be that you could get in if you wanted in, those days are gone.

There's a lot of work for PMC's still, you just have to be a competitive candidate to get the work though.
Because they are the chads of society.

As far as I know, they require prior military service. Training someone for a year or two before deployment is pretty expensive, and no reason to do that when there's plenty of veterans available.

There's a lot of PMC companies that hire those kind of people. They usually aren't paying what they pay to Americans or brits with heavy backgrounds though. Watch a PMC escort video and notice what skin color and ethnicity the guy riding turret on the hilux is, it isn't Johnny Rebel the delta boy.

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>Confusing PMC's with volunteer fighters assisting the Kurds against ISIS

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>Doctor Pavel, I'm PMC

>applied ethics

Those guys are not volunteers, the US is paying them, the name of the pic is wrong.

They are wearing Kurdistan flags.

They are volunteers.

I remember when the Peshmerge was accepting American volunteers to go and fight against ISIS. I had friends who wanted me to come with, but I work for money, as far as I know there was no money involved.

Those guys are volunteers, don't tell me what I know boy.

Not all military contractors are mercs, of course. Most aren't - they supply the military with things like logistics, technology, and all sorts of stuff. Pretty lucrative industry, where private security forces are a small (but growing) segment.

Having been in the industry, I'd say that most military contractors are good and ethical people. Lots of ex-military who want to continue serving their nation in some way, and earn a good living on the side.

Some of the private security forces, which have really only been around since the mid 2000s, have been involved in questionable things, and are heavily involved with the CIA. Stay the fuck away from DynCorp.

Why the fuck is there no recent information on PMCs? Everything else is old as fuck.

Everything is pretty much written in stone already. You should check out Dogs of War for some Christopher Walken Executive-Outcomes type kino

That's not a PMC. That's special operations. Don't ask me how I know.

>MK18
>combat pants
More likely SOF

Yeah those photos are commonly released by friends when a guy is KIA. Stop trying to act like a secret squirrel.

I'm not a secret squirrel and there's nothing in that photo that would require the guy to be dead to release.

That's a MARSOC commando though.

I'm not claiming OPSEC, this isn't Ar15 lol.

I'm simply saying, usually these guys are camera shy for a reason. I agree with what you're saying, but like I said, these photos are usually the kind you'll see on some SOF guy's facebook as a tribute to an old KIA friend.

And you are acting like a secret squirrel
>Don't ask me how i know

>Those guys are volunteers, don't tell me what I know boy.
You fucking idiot, most of those volunteers are spooks, Green Berets or brought over by those two. The actual volunteers among the Kurds can be counted with the fingers of one hand

>That's a MARSOC
Those dudes always look like they belong to some biker gang or something.

I said that because I honestly don't feel like explaining how I know. I did have an incredibly glorious decade in combat arms though. Super secret squirrel stuff, like chugging warm energy drinks and going through a can of dip every other day.

They make good Black-Ops type Operators.

The Gubment is under 0 obligation to inform anyone if the Mercs death or include it in an official body count.

>Are PMCs just Mercenaries?

My understanding is they are more involved in security and logistics than with actual offensive operations as opposed to mercenaries from the African "Solder of Fortune" days.

>Should they be legal to be used around the world?

They are legal and most governemnts utilize them to supplement their own forces, I belive in the book "What Money can't Buy", it was stated that PMCs outnumbered conventional U.S. forces 5 to 1 in Afghanistan, and they are still used as bodyguards for the Afghan president.

>Are they good or bad people?

Subjective metric, I would assume there's a mixture of both.

Most of the dudes in that line of work I have interacted with would probably feel at home in a biker gang if they weren't active duty.

Hard charging ass kickers though, that's for sure. MARSOC has got this weird thing going, part Army SF, part Army Rangers in the way they go about business.

yes, it is a way to have extra military without having the state deal with the rest of their lives, company can go bankrupt and thats it

A good bit sure, but not on official capacity, if they were, they wouldn't be taking photos like that and releasing them online.

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There were a lot of volunteers. You're wrong. Volunteers that went over there by their own accord, using their own funds or were sponsored by 3rd party(non-gov) groups.

You never hear much about MARSOC. Why is that?

Didn't they get kicked out of JSOC for going Platoon on a village?

There were/are a good deal of Western volunteers and they generally try to pool them together. Kurds use them as a propaganda piece to generate support in the West. While they occasionally get into some real shit, the Westerners are generally kept away from the most dangerous offensives.

The Spooks and Special Operations folks are over there not all that secretly and do their own thing. They roll with their issued JSOC kit and are generally found in Hilux trucks with a mounted grenade launcher or heavy gun.

The guys in are absolutely volunteers.

Picture related is what your average snake eater looks like in Syria or any other country they are keeping a lower than normal profile in.

There were also a PMC boom during the height of the Solamis pirates uprising. Hired guns that sit on boats passing through the area. Sounds like a comfy job with high pay. Too bad, you need to have high qualifications. And it is already over mostly.

No. They got reprimanded and ate a lot of shit over some of their mission planning and their rules of engagement. They never went as far as going cyclic on known civilians, just generally wrecking shit without a care for collateral. They also did a piss poor job of communicating with USSOCOM and JSOC with regards to mission planning, timing, support, etc. They hadn't quite gotten used to answering to daddy JSOC.

Since then they have generally been damn good at what they do. They do a good bit of direct action and have also taken on a lot of roles traditionally filled by Army ODAs with regards to training and operating with indigenous folks.

Because unlike their friends in the Navy, they understand the value of OPSEC and keeping their mouths shut. Same with Army special operations. NSW has had a lot of bad apples in the last decade or so with regards to actions in the field and keeping a low profile outside of the service, much to the dismay of old SEALs and the many current ones who DO keep their traps shut.

They should have gave the Bin Laden raid to Delta, that's all I'm going to say.

I thought MARSOC when ham in Shinawar, basically going ROE-movie style on some civvies

They offered it to Delta.

They had better shit to do.

Apparently CAG/Delta/Army cool guys were not all that interested in it.

I don't like the dick measuring that goes on behind keyboards, but the Army's SMUs are some of the most capable and bad ass motherfuckers you could put on an objective.

Only a few other units in the world on par with their experience, training and capabilities. Not surprising considering they paved the way for SMU work with the help of our SAS friends in the UK, among other global experts.

gtfo. What better thing could there be than to do Bin Laden.

Did they just not want the fame that came with it?

There is always money to be made in war.

Interesting. A lot of the photos I've seen of them, you can kinda guess MARSOC by how much they standout i.e. big guys(for you) the penchant for tattoos(a lot on their hands) and M81 Crye when doing FID shit. Wonder if their roles as time goes on will expand and where.

Then you get no movie and/or book deal(s), user.

They absolutely killed people that shouldn't have been killed. They weren't lining up civilians and burning down villages though.

They really pissed off ODAs in that region who had worked deployment after deployment to earn the trust of the indigenous folks by shitting on that hard work and lighting up civilians.

They pissed off JSOC by being a solution looking for a problem in many cases, going outside the wire unannounced or without proper coordination.

Growing pains really.

I got to meet a couple of SF dudes in Iraq and they all seemed like super soldiers, yet in an unconventional way. I had friends and have friends present-tense who were in Batt, and they're the same caliber of guy, if not a little more hardheaded. I was just an infantry 10th MTN div dude, nothing special.
What really gets to me, I feel that the SEALS just shouldn't exist in current COIN operations.

Also I can't fathom how Marines can spend only 9 months in theater and be effective(Aside from sheer firepower engagements). 9 months is a blur, it goes by so quick.

Question about SF... i'm a first year med school student and thinking about enlisting in the AF, I hear there is some special thing where they drop into hotzones and help set up triage etc.

Is this true?

>Let's send experimental helicopters on a potential one way mission with guys you have invested millions into training and are extremely unique in the first place
>We're kind of pretty sure he's there
I could see why they sent that down the river to NSW if that's what really happened. The head of JSOC at the time was also a former SEAL, so he could have helped force the decision as well.

Those SEALs were also available to train up and conduct the mission.

Anyone who knows 100% what happened on that mission, the selection of the unit and all the other pertinent information to the letter is unlikely to ever be breaking OPSEC and discussing it openly. A couple shithead SEALs aside, whose knowledge only extends to the preparation and their little piece of the actual mission.

Has question about SF,

Can't be fucked to go on airforce.com and look at PJ's or CCT's

>you're gonna go far kid

Batt guys are fucking savages. Rangers have undergone maybe the most impressive change and progression in the history of special operations since GWOT kicked off. Their mission temp was second to none and the wide range of missions they are capable of handling to perfection ridiculous. There's a reason the Army cool guy units/SMUs pick mainly from the Regiment.

SF are a cool breed too. Those guys are true believers. They have a very complex and mentally exhausting job and they do it to a tee. Part commando, part ambassador, part teacher. If you had to go out and survive indefinitely without support, ODA dudes are the ones you want to do it with. Generally intelligent and level headed guys as far as special operations is concerned.

The guys that impress me as much as anyone outside of the super SMU dudes are Air Force combat controllers. Those guys are squared the fuck away. Their pipeline is ridiculous and they can jump in with most any other special operations detachment and get to work, regardless if the specialized skills needed for insert, operating, etc. Stand-up dudes.

As far as NSW...it sucks. So many good and capable guys have had to bear the weight of some real shit head leadership and ground level leaders in the last 15 years. Even in their choice SMUs there has been a lot of bad shit going on lately. As capable as they may be, they'd be better off sticking to the water where they thrive. Taking down boats, rigs, quick operations with insert and/or extract from a shore.

As far as Air Force, the special tactics squadron(s) are good to go. PJs are capable medical dudes, but are relegated to being combat EMTs these days.

Combat Controllers are bad motherfuckers that go in with other special operations units and can handle shit like air traffic control, comms and more predominantly these days, terminal attack control calling in ordnance on bad dudes from the air.

>boy
bucktooth sister fucking hick

They're fucking amazing and the future of military imo

Where is my picture of Old Snake when I need it?

Better watch your mouth, BOY. Us "hicks" are the majority of elite soldiers in the US military. While you limp dicked faggots spit on the flag, we are defending it.

Should be illegal. Absolute cancer.

Well they're just mercenaries and mercenaries have absolutely no rights under international law.