Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
I am a Communist now! Thanks. Now, I need the computer you see posting on as mine just broke.
William Turner
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
You can't say I didn't warn you Spainon. Today your raid threads, next your board. Well actually your board's compromised already. Half the stuff on Bunkerchan is by our guys posing as yours. Your ideology is so shit that mere mockeries match it smoothly.
Noah Sanchez
Yeah because the few elite are really going to let themselves be taken over by the working class. They'll just tell everyone "your need is only X, but my need is Y," and then will force you to give up what you have rightfully earned. Socialism into communism destroys countries and keeps everyone poor except the very few controllers on top. You should fucking know this by now.
Some american wanted me to answer his question on "from everyone his abilietis to everyone his needs", hope you are here cos I spent time on this damn answer
This is what Marx said on it.
In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!
Well, to understand it better you should know the definition of this quote in the Soviet constitution where it said not "need" but "labour".
Everybody develops his abilities and talents freely, AND is given the way for that.
Lincoln Fisher
>Someone commissioned this.
Ryder Miller
>Everybody develops his abilities and talents freely, AND is given the way for that. 'Cept dissidents. Fuck those guys.
Blake Moore
personal property =/= private property
Matthew Lewis
>personal or private property in a communist society Hand over the computer or to the gulag with you.
Lincoln Bell
Religion is the opiate of the masses, no? Is not Marx the prophet and yourself the pious worshiper?
Cameron Price
>Arbitrarily defining what others have a right to own. Nah.
Noah Clark
Hello again mister broken penis, please post dick again
Jeremiah Harris
The bourgeoisie are the class which owns the means of production but does not use them you can think of the means of production as anything 'used' to generate profit e.g. a factory, a shop, a car, machinery, etc if you own means of production but are self-employed, and do not employ anyone else, then you are not bourgeois if you do not literally own means of production but in effect control it, you are bourgeois (e.g. CEOs who do not literally own their companies, but as they run the company they 'own' it in the sense that they decide what is done with it, they decide their own wages, etc) a good litmus test: ''1. do you work for a wage? 2. do you get to decide your wage? 3. do you get to decide anyone else's wage?'' if yes to 1 but not to 2 or 3, you are not bourgeois if yes to 1 and 2 but not to 3, you are petit-bourgeois if yes to all three, you are in effect bourgeois if you do not work for a wage at all, but rather own the means of production directly, then you are absolutely bourgeois
If you own a small shop that you run for a living making 50k USD a year you are petite bourgois. If you are a heart surgeon making 150k USD a year but you work for a hospital and you aren't in charge of hiring of firing anyone you are fully proletarian. Labour aristocracy maybe but still proletarian. It is not a question of income, but a question of ones relationship to the means of production.
Asher Kelly
And again you guys dont read the full quote.
Marx said that religion is something that gives the opressed a free sigh, something that eases their pain, tho without changing the objective state of things. Just like opium makes you feel good, religion gives you hope for heaven where your struggle will be granted.
No, Marx is not a prophet, he was a materialistic philosopher and cared only about material world. He was atheist not because he was an EBIL DA JOO but because it was his damn job - being materialistic philosopher. Read his school ending essay, it is quite interesting to read.
Ian Long
Post your broken penis
Liam Hall
Listen nigger no one gives a shit about your shitty 14 year old philosophy just post your broken penis and we'll call it a day
Jacob Perry
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Ryder Brown
THIS IS NOW A CORPORATISM GENERAL
This thread is dedicated to the discussion of Corporatist theory, all are welcome!
>class collaboration > class conflict >fuck Liberals, and Marxists too!
Ideologies such as Syndicalism, Guild Socialism (Neo-Medievalism in general), Fascism, National Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Conservatism, Third Positionism, Progressivism, Tripartism, Distributism, and many more can be described as Corporatism!
If you don't see a thread, start one! Pastebin: pastebin.com/ZSKgVz2L
Definition: >Corporatism is the sociopolitical organization of a society by major interest groups, known as corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labour, military, patronage, or scientific affiliations, on the basis of their common interests. It is theoretically based on the interpretation of a community as an organic body. The term corporatism is based on the Latin root word "corpus" (plural – "corpora") meaning "body".
>In 1881, Pope Leo XIII commissioned theologians and social thinkers to study corporatism and provide a definition for it. In 1884 in Freiburg, the commission declared that corporatism was a "system of social organization that has at its base the grouping of men according to the community of their natural interests and social functions, and as true and proper organs of the state they direct and coordinate labor and capital in matters of common interest".
>Corporatism developed in the 19th century as a response to Classical Liberalism and Marxism.
>The basis of corporatism is to provide rights to the middle and working class to secure cooperation among the classes, and to prevent class conflict.
>google search just leads to a few white nationalist and Nazi sites
Chase Harris
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Cameron Barnes
>something that eases their pain, tho without changing the objective state of things. That's funny, communist revolutions could be described exactly the same way.
More bullshit that requires putting arbitrary limits on freedoms.
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Jose Smith
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Jose Russell
Ehm, are you playing stupid?
Revolution is called so not for nothing.
Christopher Davis
Why Marxism tho? There's better alternatives.
Jordan Walker
This
Brayden Roberts
Fuck off toothpaste
Aiden Gray
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Asher Morris
Opkankeren commie fuck. We don't need you in our country.
Justin Williams
>Sells factory to commies for a profit. >colludes with Nazi's >rages about Jews wtf I like Henry Ford now. Well slaughtering all those bourgeoisie scum sure paid off didn't it.
Adrian Russell
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Carson Williams
Does he ever reply? Is it even human or an AI bot made by the minuscule parts of Lenin's brain that didn't rot and fall off?
Nathan Morales
Yeah tell that to 400,000 Lithuanians that were killed by that stinky jew. You just lay down the weed.
Asher Ramirez
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Luke Scott
benis :DDDDD
Luke Ross
>mfw spaniard NEET thinks communism will solve his social incompetence
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Robert Bell
I would never take advice on distribution of labor and capitol from a man who never held a job in his life. A man who never works can never know the true value of ones own creations. I reserve the right to sell my labor however I deem fit, I refuse the notion that the state should have any say in it, even if it's only some sort of "transition phase".
Blake Diaz
That's a lot of defending. Why would you, a Russian, defend the ideology that turned your nation from corrupt empire to corrupt empire to broken corrupt republic?
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Connor Anderson
2 makes no sense because it doesn't take wage negotiation and collective bargaining into account. I could attempt to negotiate my wage with the boss, or cry about it all day and other employees who agree will also bargain with him with me. I bust my ass all day for a living but I am considered bourgeois because I have the ability to talk and thus the ability to ask for higher wages according your your test.
You kids know nothing about the plight of the proles. Leeches the lot of you.
And no, 'software developer' doesn't count as proletariat work.
Jose Jenkins
Lol sure thing
Hunter Brown
>being a Stalinist >2017 How brainwashed are you?
Nathaniel Young
Nobody makes you, lol.
Most possibly not even your grandchildren will witness the next socialist revolution, there is nothing to be afraid of.
Because it did not do the things you listed. There is no need in corruption with no private property.
Why would you need THIS much money if you cant spend it on a business? Under socialistic rule, corruption did not exist, it started to appear only during Hrushev and his revisionism. This is why every politician in the Soviet Union was a worker/peasent/scientist/other man of labour and nowadays Russian parlaiment is full with (((bankers))) an (((businessmen)))
Same works with US, why does the election turn up to a struggle between two money bags - Saudi and Soros backed Hillary and millionaire Trump? Why does power in US stay in hands of the same surnames for 40 years?
Robert Jackson
Our countries' corruption has to do with a strange sort of nepotism, user. Blaming capitalism or whatever you think is wrong with it is only recognizing a symptom.
>there is no corruption with no private property Handing your property to tyrants or pooling it so a conqueror can take it is no way to do things. Simple logic.
I understand you romantically wish human nature wasn't as greedy as it is but the moment a true communist society formed someone would swoop in and conquer. And no, if the conqueror is vanquished by peace enforcers the enforcers will become the conquerors either due to need for them in that society or due to them becoming conquerors via corruption.
Also I didn't list anything. You might be thinking of a different fellow.
Daniel Carter
Negotiation and bargaining is possible in the state of free market, not the monopoly capitalism. I bet the only thing you achieve from bargaining with you boss is a huge pain in the ass.
No, you are considered burgeouise only if you own means of production and live off other people's labour. If you "bust your ass" and "have the ability to talk" you would be considered worker aristocrasy.
And why is "software developer" not a proletariat work? Someone who does this is a proletarian of mental labour, or MAYBE a petite burguoise.
Aiden Clark
Get yo swag comrades.
Jayden Flores
You haven't read a single one of these Pedro. Remember when you used to post that bullshit by Cottrell and Cockshott here? Remember how everyone here tore it shreds and you stopped posting it?
Funny how you've stopped posting most of the infographics you used to use.
>Under socialistic rule, corruption did not exist Funny how abuses of power just magically appear in these workers paradises.
Sebastian Nguyen
That was what I was implying. His litmus test is stupid. >worker aristocracy That's a made up term. Anyone can demand from their employers. Results vary greatly.
>proletarian of mental labour You seem to like the wringer the workers were put through in those times, I'd like to see you try to sell that to a Soviet factory worker.
Nathaniel Brown
Human nature is greedy as long as the objective reality lets people be greedy.
Just like there was no corruption under feudalism, because there was NO reason for that to happen. Or like there was NO unemployement during slavery stage of society.
Human nature is subjective and changes next to the world around us.
Why do you keep mentioning some tyrants or conquerors, we are not discussing ancient Persia.
Jose Collins
>Just like there was no corruption under feudalism THIS IS WHAT COMMUNISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE.
Connor Young
>That's a made up term.
Made up by Marx in his Kapital, yes. Just like everything else we are discussing.
Yes, everyone can demand, but not everyone will get what he demands. Russian empire had a weapon industry where the percentage of worker aristocracy was high, because they had rare skills and education.
Every soviet factory worker knew that one of the goals needed to achieve communism is destroying the difference between mental and phisical labour.
English is not my native, so most quotes and terms may be unaccurate, sorry for that.
Brayden Thomas
>no corruption during feudalism >no unemployment during slavery stage of society
I honestly don't know who sold you these ideas. Must be a good salesman to turn off your logical reasoning skills.
Do you want to bring back the glory days of slavery and feudalism to make communism work? Power vacuums are power vacuums. It simply does not work.
Parker Thompson
>not everyone will get what he demands Water is wet.
>Russian empire had a weapon industry where the percentage of worker aristocracy was high, because they had rare skills and education. You know what happened to these workers? They were killed and replaced by new ones during and after the revolution. Few lucky ones participated in the revolutionaries and lived.
>destroying the difference between mental and physical labor is a goal of communism No it isn't, that's a personal goal you and or your mentor added on. All functions are different, the rewards are the same.
Aaron Long
>so most quotes and terms may be unaccurate, It isn't your English you fucking vodka-ape, it's the naive bullshit you're spouting. Please provide one fucking source for the your claim that there was no corruption under feudalism.
Cooper Davis
Next time he shows up to one of these threads he's going to say he's an anarcho-primitivist because primitive hunter-gatherer tribes had no corruption nor tyranny.
John Ross
Why is anarcho-syndicalism the only good left wing ideology?
Gavin Perez
>Do you want to bring back the glory days of slavery and feudalism to make communism work?
never said that
And tell me example of corruption during feudalism if you want to argue on it. Go on.
(spoiler: there was no such thing as "Corruption is a form of dishonest or unethical conduct by a person entrusted with a position of authority, often to acquire personal benefit." because nothing of the listed was considered dishonest or unethical, everything in the reach of the feudal was his right and he was only answering before his senior for that)
Lincoln Richardson
Communism will triumph, keep fighting brothers.
Oliver Sullivan
Which part of the economy should we nationalize first? I'm down with taking all churches and building housing projects and reeducation centers.
Sebastian Turner
How's socialism working for Spain ?
James Sanders
Because it isn't like leaving a basket full of bread on the side of the road with a note saying >please only take one
The old fashioned >I can sleep with your wife and you can't say a thing about it since you're my worker on my land
William Smith
You're right, the King John just decided to pull the Magna Carta out of his arse and sign it for no reason whatsoever. You utter retard.
Gavin Perez
>burden of proof
You first give me example of corruption under feudalism.
Brody Sanchez
So you don't actually have any sources for it's non-existence then? Good. Glad we cleared that up.
Hunter Martin
Dont make me think you are stupid. How can I give you any source of something NOT to exist?
I came here for a talk with right-wingers, not to hear some unrelated bullshit.
Whatever, I go sleep, have fun guys.
David Perry
You came here hoping to convince newfags that your edgy beliefs are worth picking up. I'm left-wing. I hate /leftypol/ more than anything else in the world. Take your utopian rhetoric and shove it up your ass.
