Can we have an actual political discussion about traps? Starting with the question:

Can we have an actual political discussion about traps? Starting with the question:

What should be done about gender dysphoria?

Depending on who you ask there is either no satisfactory treatment or treatment is easy as fuck. As a rule, hot button sociological studies tend to oversample people that confirm their biases. It really can't be determined for sure which are reliable and how reliable they are. That there are people who experience some sort of dissonance with their physical body is undeniable, however there's disagreement over causes and the level of concern that should be shown for the matter. However the question seems much more important now than in the past because medical science has advanced to a point where a reasonably feminine male can immitate a female phenotype. Which brings me to the second question.

What are the ethical implications of trapping?

It is essentially lying. You're presenting to propective mates that you're female and thus have a vagina and in principle procreation is a possibility. Even with full acceptance of physical and social transition this would still be a major issue. A trap will never be a real girl, so perhaps even if they can pass for one, is it unethical for them to even try?

And finally with ethics comes law. How should the law handle such people? Obviously they'd like to be legally female, but they physically aren't. What approach should the state take to moderating the interactions of pseudo-females with persons who are unaware of their status? Should the state even take an approach at all?

What are your thoughts on the matter? As technology improves we'll only have more and more problems and questions like this in the future, and they're only going to get more and more strange. We might as well start thinking about it now before it becomes a larger problem.

Other urls found in this thread:

acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-dysphoria-in-children
youtube.com/watch?v=KvY2ScZBCtQ
youtube.com/watch?v=7xujgH_C2q8
youtu.be/xn6f8Gk5bHc
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

traps are the ultimate redpill

>be trans
>be into girls
>girls into that are thrilled to have a girlfriend with a dick they can fuck

Why do you frame this as traps loving and deceiving straight men when most are double faggots and into women?

Anzu is a girl!

Kill them

I'm reffering to straight(?) traps in specific but this principle still applies to females perhaps even doubly. Lesbians don't usually take kindly to dick in their coffee especially terfs and radfems. You still have the same problem of appearing differently than what the underlying reality is, which is a form of deception no matter how you slice or dice it. The fact that you may have found a person who is happy with that and even enjoys it doesn't change anything.

I don't want to smell poop when I'm hard. Major turn off. I also am universally turned off when an erect male penis is anywhere near my physical body. It makes that instinct kick in that makes you want to stab w/ a weapon the guy trying to fuck your wife. Also, traps think about getting one of these surgeries.

Super Male Vitality month #2

I don't believe you. Sorry фaм.

holy fuck
it's painful to watch
fuckiong disguisting

Most never get surgery, though because the technology and procedure is woefully inadequate and expensive as all fuck.

Only god knows the things i'd do only to spend a night with her sucking her tinny femenine cock and fucking her tigh asshole.

>poorly veiled anzu thread

I think trannies need psychological help. We have to find a way to redpill them on this whole tranny shit so they realise that being a tranny is not okay.
I do not like degeneracy and this shit is part of it. we really should find a solution about this

Why is spain always so fucking lewd man. Like your whole country is crazy for boipussy.

pretty sure its the same guy that just thirsts for boipucci on Sup Forums all day every day

Kill yourself faggot weeaboo manchild

Yes but what type of help would you give them? How would you help them? And what moral objections specifically would you have to their activities? How would you change their mind? How would you handle them? and why?

...

...

>What should be done about gender dysphoria?
Get rid of xenoestrogens.

...

o boi
he's so feminine

Anzu isn't a trap though

My thoughts begin with the science:
There are two sexes and two genders. 99.97% of people experience gender and sex as the same thing both in themselves and in others. They identify as their sex and do not see their gender separate from their sex, and they see two sexes which equal two genders.

But a rare % people experience gender and sex differently, both in how they view themselves and... this is a key part of their dysphoria...how they view others. This divergence is part of a mental health syndrome clinically defined as Gender Dysphoria. They are officially diagnosed with this egosyntonic mental health disorder by a psychiatrist. Depending upon the mental health diagnoses manual the psychiatrist uses, the clinical diagnosis is for Gender Identity Disorder/Gender Identity Syndrome/or Gender Dysphoria, but is popularly known as 'transgenderism'.
Less than .03% of the population is affected with GID/GIS/GD. Symptoms are all mental health based: depression, anxiety, unease with their bodies, suicidal thoughts. The suicide rate of GID/GIS/GD sufferers is 41% compared to under 2% of the normal population. Both the psychiatric and medical fields recognize GID/GIS/GD as a mental health issue.

Current standard treatment for the patient consists of psychiatric therapy and later prescription medication with synthetic hormones. Psychiatric therapy is the foundation of their treatment, and no doctor or psychiatrist prescribes synthetic hormones without concurrent psychiatric therapy. This course of treatment is recognized by both psychiatrists and medical doctors as moderately effective in reducing their rate of suicide, depression, anxiety, dysphoria, and other accompanying mental health symptoms of GID/GIS/GD to varying degrees of success short term. Sexual reassignment surgery is effective in relieving these mental health symptoms short term but fails to provide relief long term.

After treatment, the suicide rate climbs back up to 41%.

>What should be done about gender dysphoria?
Gas
Clamps
Helicopter rides

99% of trans people are just weird fetishists. If they stopped looking at porn for a few months they'd be completely normal.

Anzu is NOT a boy, she is a very lovely girl!

>What should be done about gender dysphoria?
The science is out on the matter, and that's the problem. We need to know:
If gender dysphoria is caused by having a "female brain" in a male body;
If transitioning helps them;
If there are other cures or treatments which are more effective.

>It is essentially lying.
I wonder if there should be laws against not disclosing trans status: just as there is with STDs. One is physically harmful, the other is potentially mentally harmful.

>How should the law handle such people?
Should biological sex matter under the law?

Memes and hatred of transtrenders aside, I genuinely feel sorry for people who feel like they're in the wrong body. Just as I feel sorry for people who believe they're Napoleon or they're being raped every night by aliens.

...

would a real girl react like this?

I seriously think letting that fringe little pool of people just letting be effeminate faggots would work better for them in the long run and for society as a whole. I mean gay guys don't want to fuck you cause you have female appeal and straight guys don't want a dick unless really lonely and desperate. Loneliness is probably a big issue to these and just staying a fairy would probably cure that.

It's always been my suspicion that Gender Dysphoria alone isn't enough to drive someone to suicide or even transition. I feel that it's probably a cocktail of mental disorders that cause people to become anxious wrecks but that's just my subjective non-expert opinion.

and your country is full of boipussies. You are the betta we are de alphas here.
no I'm not

who this sweety?
please tell me she hiding a dick.

Honestly, and this is an unpopular opinion on trans people, but we should let it happen. We need a eugenics program to weed out the mentally ill genes in the world. Transgender people, when they go on cross sex hormones, mostly end up becoming sterile and if they get genital surgery they become 100% sterile. If we allow people to continue on this trend it will end up being a self correcting problem as long as they do not do these 2 things. 1) develop sperm or egg cells from skin and stem cells and 2) allow artificial wombs. Avoid these two things we fix a bulk of mental illness for world populations for a healthier overall population. We just need to reduce how much of an unbearable nuisance it is in the media and then it'll all be fine

Yes!

>she

41% suicide rate. The current course of treatment is failing utterly in changing this, and US hospitals (such as John Hopkins which pioneered Sexual reassignment surgery) have started to refuse to do it anymore.
The American College of pediatrics last year released their full findings of their recent studies and a statement calling hormonal treatment of children 'child abuse'. Their studies showed that when Gender Dysphoria occurs in pre-pubescent children, that the syndrome resolves in the vast majority of patients by late adolescence. Their work is summarized at acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-dysphoria-in-children
There is a study that showed that pimozide might be an effective treatment for GID/GIS/GD. Pimozide is the treatment for people with Body Dysmorphic disorder. People with GID/GIS/GD have a much higher prevalence of Body Dysmorphic Disorder and Body Integrity Disorder, noting that in both, the sufferers have a pervasive delusional view of their own bodies that cripples their normal functioning. Here are 2 patients who suffer from both GID and BDD concurrently.

youtube.com/watch?v=KvY2ScZBCtQ
youtube.com/watch?v=7xujgH_C2q8

But that is the key factor of this disorder. The patients suffer from an 'egosyntonic' delusion, meaning that THEY can not see past their own 'reality'. The Napoleon schizophrenic BELIEVES they are Napoleon and becomes distressed if something interferes with that belief. This is why transgender people do not want to be helped and will twist any reality to fit their belief. This is why they will lie to others. This is why they think they pass. This is why they HAVE to use the women's bathroom OR they will feel like killing themselves if you don't let them.
Why wont medicine truly help? Why did they capitulate to downgrading the illness in the major psychiatric diagnosis manual?

>please tell me she hiding a dick.

Anzu is a male and literally hangs out and associates with other traps

Anzu is not a boy. Please delete this post. Anzu is a very nice girl.

...

a woman with a dick (or a man who looks like a woman) is the ultimate sex toy. People just dont want to admit it.

...

I just like to look like a pretty girl. I don't want to trick anyone into having sex with me or try to alter my biology. When I present myself as female I achieve a confidence in my own self image that I don't have as a male.

...

those arms man

if anzu is a girl, then she has a worse body than fucking traps

Well I'm a liberal in the classical sense so I believe in letting anyone do anything as long as it doesn't infringe on other's individual rights or endanger national security. However, transgenders straddle the line between self ownership and deception of others. If people aren't notified in advance of such a thing it's essentially tricking someone into involuntary association. But on the other hand everone should own themselves if nothing else, and be able to decide their own destiny. As far as the genetics problem goes there is some research to suggest that there are some genetic predisposition factors to GD but like with most of these things there isn't enough work done to actually draw a conclusion. But lets say you have a transgender person that is open and forthcoming about their physical status. What if a family community wants to shield their children from such complexities of adult life. In this case, not infringing on someone's rights to know about you, infringes on someone else's rights to rais their children as they like. It seems to be an exceedingly complicated issue unless you start from the position that persons are not self sovereign and have no right to self determination. In which case you just tell them what to do.

STOP POSTING ANZU IN TRAP THREADS. Anzu is NOT a boy and it is NOT okay to bully her like this.

My Turkish friend has met her and claims she isn't biologically male.

Meme = busted

Just dropping by to post my favourite. okpieceoutbie

Honestly, its kinda amazing how much punishment the human body can take and then adapt

GD is only part of the equation. Schizophrenia and bipolar run rampant with trans people. I remember reading a study a while back that said something like 30% of trans people has schizophrenia. So removing these people who usually have some other co-morbid mental disorder besides the whole trans thing from the populations ends up being a good thing long term. However you could achieve this same effect with a bullet to the head. But it still wouldn't be as effective as letting them remove themselves from the gene pool themselves because they'll just go back into the closet only to come back when our guard is down

I would help them by literally telling them the truth about it and showing them proof that it isnt okay, I actually redpilled a tranny doing that and now the person doesn't want to be a tranny anymore and wants to 'detransition' lmao

desu I don't want western society to go in a hellhole of 'tolerance, peace and equality' (because it just doesn't fucking work), but I want it to go in a direction where truth is important and where we keep our traditional values and not let it get washed away by leftyfags or immigrants wanting to bring their culture and eventually causing the identity of a country to change. I'm fine with immigrants, just not the ones causing trouble or wanting to change the country so it's becoming degenerate or more like the country where they come from with their tradition (for example people wanting sharia in a western country)

About your last point regarding how anything that contradicts the delusions of GID sufferers, that's not necessarily true. There are plenty of people that have those types of feelings but are not delusional about the realities of the matter. Some will, without hesitation admit to being men and aren't distressed by this any more than the ambient distress of daily life. They simply aren't as dramatic or vocal as the more delusional ones, and I suspect that they transition less often, which leads to them being excluded by most studies. This is anecdotal of course but as I said before I suspect a cocktail of disorders are responsible for the phenomena of transgenderism as we commonly think of it, not just GID.

1 youtu.be/xn6f8Gk5bHc

Did he fucked those african boys?

iirc those mock vaginas are essentially just open wounds that have to be kept open through regular penetration. otherwise they begin to close up.

Traps do not have gender dysphoria or any other mental illness.

You know what the fuck I mean you pedantic fucker!

...

>appearing differently than what the underlying reality is, which is a form of deception
Ban clothing, makeup, all forms of reconstructive surgery and any form of medicine.
>This is you, extended to a logical conclusion.

Beat that ass.

no wtf lmao

The fuck?

>What is proportionality
Sharp objects because someone might accidentally poke themselves? You draw a line somewhere of what's an acceptable risk or relation. The difficulty is in finding those lines.

Good taste.

this has to be fake how to traps get so hairless

Anzu is an autistic little girl, you morons. Get some eyes. The bones don't lie

Shaving, wax, chemicals like Nair. The only difference between a trap and biological female in that regard is that traps have to maintain more frequent maintenance of their body hair. Is it really that difficult to comprehend?

Are retarded?

>Shave
>Nair
>Laser
>Electrolysis
>Take anti androgens
>Just pluck those niggers out one by one

there are a shittone of ways to remove hair if you really want to.

You have to go back, Charles.

spoiler: females arent that much less hairy than males

>the germans died for this

White ones anyway. Asian girls have all their hair on the vagoo.

t. virgin

okay i know but thats a fucking lot of effort fuck man my legs are to hairy it would be a disaster
i just don't get why guys do this

Because we're trying to please our/get boyfriends. Or it just makes us feel better.

I went through two razors the first time. It was a nightmare and did take forever. As long as you stay on top of it afterward it's not bad.

If I let it get out of control and it gets back to normal male levels for me I'll run an electric hair clipper over my hair first to break up the longer bits before doing a thorough shave. Helps speed it up a lot.

Beauty is pain my friend.

Benis Isaki fug :DDDDD

lol, why does pol and Sup Forums always fall in love with Traps?

Because women are retards and generally useless pieces of shit. Nobody can love, appreciate, or understand you like another man can.

valid point.

really?

n-no homo

>After treatment, the suicide rate climbs back up to 41%.
Retards who repeat that statistic are simply lying. It comes from a forty year old discredited study and the claim was that about forty percent ATTEMPT suicide, as self reported. The true rate of attempts is probably much less in reality because trans people tend to be huge drama queens and use the threat of potential suicide to convince doctors to give them what they want and to milk sympathy from cis people. Of course such things won't matter to the average /pol poster who is also a huge drama queen and cares more for the imagined immediate effect of his retarded post than discussing ANY topic in a rational and truthful way.

Here's where transvestites scale on the spectrum of psychology:

TOTAL INSANITY -----Transvestites------NORMAL-----Heterosexuals------TOTAL ENLIGHTENMENT

>please tell me she hiding a dick.

"She" has big hands, so it's a male, or an unlucky female.

okay then what do you parents say when you see them as a girl

>It is essentially lying. You're presenting to propective mates that you're female and thus have a vagina and in principle procreation is a possibility.

The retarded Western notion of trannies is too black & white

In Asia it is understood to be a "third gender"

I'm very sceptical that someone having dealings with a TG is completely unaware, or if they are unaware, they will soon understand

No person would date another TG/trap for a prolonged period of time without knowing what's going on

And yet it is "normal" genetics that produce transgenders, gays, and /pol posters. Really makes you think.

Anzu is a girl.

ok i dont give a fuck if theres a penis underneath that, ill cum inside his/her anus and brutally rape him/her until he/she can barely speak, walk or think straight i dont give a single absolute fuck i wanna fuck that thing. this is the most feminine thing ive seen, i have seen proper women who looked uglier

My parents live several states away and I hide it from them. Sometimes I suspect they know but then they say or do something that totally kills my suspicion. I hide it mostly out of the shame of confronting them about it even though I know 100% they'll be supportive because they're super liberal head in the sand boomers.

That's because you're gay.

no more pleasure too, boring life of regrets then

TRAPS ARE GAY

/THREAD

As a tranny, I've done a good bit of research on it to see if there's any other ways around it. Repression just flat out failed, ended up leading to a suicide attempt. Conversion therapy doesn't really have any evidence to support it and I wouldn't be able to because I need to study for exams and work over the summer, so it's neither viable nor likely to work.

The only thing that's possible and that has any weight behind it is Hormone Therapy, which involves changing the fat distribution of your body, growing tits, losing a large amount of your muscle mass, your body hair grows much more slowly and a few other assorted things. Basically it negates the effects of male puberty and makes you go through female puberty. It has an incredibly high success rate and generally works really well at stopping the psychological effects of gender dysphoria. It's what makes the traps that you filthy degenerates know and wank to.

Also the "Transitioning increases suicide rates" thing is wrong for a few reasons, first it only accounts for pre 1985 where the surgery consisted of literally cutting the dick in half and putting it inside out. As opposed to today where they basically model it into a vagina that could fool most people like pic related. It also doesn't account for the fact that older people who'll never pass as female are included in that even though they'll basically always look like weird retarded hermaphrodites.

>Anzu
>Trap
A trap can not exist in an Islamic country.

>tfw entire planet is trying to make you gay

This is like world of meth, just make it stop!